jeremiah1five
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How can Gentiles have any light since the Light Himself was never promised to Gentiles? The Light of the world is Christ. And Joel made promise from God to give His Spirit to Israel, NOT Gentiles.
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jeremiah1five
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13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we [JEWS] might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Galatians 3:12–14.
According to Joel the prophecy and promise of the Spirit was promised to Israel.
Joel was before the Hebrew people when he prophesied the promise from God to give His Spirit to Israel, NOT Gentiles. Joel was in the presence of Jews when he promised from God to give God's Spirit to Israel.
You just love ADDING to the Bible.
27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel,
And that I am the LORD your God, and none else:
And my people shall never be ashamed.
28 And it shall come to pass afterward,
That I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh;
And your [JEWISH] sons and your [JEWISH] daughters shall prophesy,
Your [JEWISH] old men shall dream dreams,
Your [JEWISH] young men shall see visions:
Joel 2:27–28.
It's incredible how you bastardize the Word of God when you ADD to God's Word things that are NOT there. Joel was a Hebrew prophet, and he prophesied TO ISRAEL. He was before the Hebrew people when he prophesied the Spirit promised by God to Israel.
brightfame52
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I showed you, by their Covenant Head Isa 42-6
6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Lk 2 32
32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.
brightfame52
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What does Gal 3:13-14 say? That who might receive the promise of the Spirit? That the Blessing of Abraham might come on Who ? What is the Blessing of Abraham here in this context?
jeremiah1five
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Yes, Gentiles will be the glory of thy people Israel:
When they inherit the heathen.
8 Ask of me,
And I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance,
And the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron;
Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.
Psalms 2:8–9.
The meek shall inherit the earth, too.
Guess who gets broken with a rod of iron?
The heathen.
Turnabout is fair play when Israel stands above ALL nations/families of the earth as prophesied by God and Israel is no longer attack by her neighbors.
6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
Deuteronomy 7:6.
This ties in with Israel being a family who is blessed above all families on the face of the earth (Genesis 12:3.)
The God of Abraham never says things like this of Gentiles. He can't. God is loyal to only ONE people above all the rest. There's that word again: Above.
Although God and His Christ are declared the King of the Jews. And although God and His Christ are Sovereign over all creation, there is nothing in Scripture that declares the King of the Jews also King of the Gentiles. I wonder why.
Never mind. I know why.
It's because non-Hebrew Gentiles are nothing before the LORD. They are not the head nor are they the tail. They are NOTHING before the LORD.
Less than nothing and vanity.
17 All nations before him are as nothing;
And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isaiah 40:17.
How can the Gentiles be 'fellow-heirs' with Israel if God sees them as a nothing people?
Beg pardon. . . less than nothing.
According to Zechariah there will be no Gentiles living in the Promised Land with the Hebrew people when Jesus Christ sits on His throne and He hands out crowns for righteousness and crowns of life. Gentiles that survive Armageddon will be given all the land outside the land promised to the Hebrew people as stipulated by God in Genesis 15. Let's take a look at what happens to Gentiles after one-thousand years:
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Revelation 20:7–9.
John the revelator throws icy, freezing water on the teaching that Gentiles are joint-heirs with Israel and are also saved. Saul doesn't say some Hebrews are saved. He doesn't even say a few Hebrews are saved. He says ALL Israel shall be saved.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. Romans 11:26–27.
Jesus Himself said, "salvation is of the Jews." That's because God made covenant promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the patriarchs of Israel.
Jesus never says that salvation is of the Gentiles.
And that, too, is because God never made any covenant promises to Gentiles.
The totality of salvation is in the hands of the Jews. Saul is very clear on this point:
4 Who are Israelites;
to whom pertaineth
the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers,
and of whom as concerning the flesh
Christ came,
who is over all,
God blessed for ever.
Amen.
Romans 9:4–5.
Amen.
jeremiah1five
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The Word of God through the Hebrew prophets is to and for the Hebrew people. Hebrew prophets wrote every "book" in the Old Testament. Even the New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation is written by Jews and Jewish Christians to and for the Hebrew people.
God promised His Spirit to Israel. Israel needs the Spirit of God to be saved. God told Joel of a promise that God will give His Spirit to Israel, and this was done on the day of the Jewish Feast of Harvest circa AD 34, ten days after Jesus ascended into heaven. For ten days the apostles were without guidance from God and until they were endued with power from on high, they were all totally "in the flesh." Everything the apostles said and did was completely a leaning on their own understanding in the vanity of their minds.
Think about that. Until God and His Christ took ownership of the New Covenant Church Jesus promised to build the apostles were rudderless and lack godly and spiritual insight into what was coming. But when the Comforter did arrive in Acts 2 the New Jerusalem Jewish Church was born, and Israel entered a new era in their covenant with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
The New Covenant Church was born.
Or should I say, born again.
brightfame52
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This shows that the Gentile Mystery as Israel, Eph 2 -3
brightfame52
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The Gentiles are included and the promises are not to national ethnic Israel but Israel the chosen people in Christ, that is the Mystery of Christ Gal 3:13-14
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jeremiah1five
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That is not the mystery Saul brings up.
The mystery is "Christ in you."
Now pay attention.
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Colossians 1:27.
jeremiah1five
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Non-Hebrew Gentiles have no covenant with God. They are NOTHING to God.
17 All nations before him are as nothing;
And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isaiah 40:17.
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