Repent and be converted to Christianity?

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19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; Acts 3:19.

The word "repent"
Strong's [#3340] μετανοέω metanoeō [verb] from [#3326] (meta) and [#3539] (noieo); to think differently or afterwards, i.e. reconsider (moral feel compunction.)

The word "converted."
Strong's [#1994] ἐπιστρέφω epistrephō [verb] from [#1909] (epi) and [#4762] (strepho); to revert (literal, figurative or moral.)

The etymology of this word is: verb "a change or turn from one religion to another," especially to Christianity."
As a noun: "person whose faith has been changed from one religion to another."

The context is as follows.

11 And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon’s, greatly wondering. 12 And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel,
Acts 3:11–12.

Peter and John are now in the Temple at the porch called "Solomon's" named after King Solomon. Moments later as people are attracted to what happened to this lame man that sat at the Gate Beautiful asking alms who can now walk, Peter opens his mouth and addresses "ye men of Israel" which could be where certain of the population may have gathered who were of the ten tribes of the northern kingdom. He proceeds to bring up when the world began (possible reference to the Abrahamic Covenant), and Moses, the holy prophets, the Prophet of prophets Jesus Christ, Samuel, the (Abrahamic) covenant, and the salvation that is of the Jews and the forgiveness of their sins (iniquities.)

Here are two Hebrew men, Peter, and John, both apostles to the Jews. The spoke Hebrew, Aramaic, and maybe some Greek. Their mindset is of two typical Jewish men who had a three-year encounter with Israel's prophesied and Promised Messiah. Their history is Jewish, their language is Jewish, and their religion is Judaism. Men who are steeped in Hebrew/Jewish history and culture. Peter has at least one Jewish son and they married Jewish women. But the astounding thing is what Peter said in 3:19 to their fellow Jews to "repent" and be "converted." Now, I can understand his urging them to "repent," that is, "think differently or afterwards, i.e. reconsider (moral feel compunction. Sure, some of these people were there at the cross and cried "Crucify!" "Crucify!" or they weren't and didn't. But they did know something about this person called Jesus and the things He taught and the miracles He performed. One would be hard pressed to find someone who didn't know about Jesus since His fame was spread abroad. Even a couple of Jewish men in the tombs knew about Jesus and recognized Him on the spot. But it is what Peter added when speaking to them in 3:19. He says, be "converted." The word is defined by Strong's as "revert." Well, "revert" to what? Taking Peter's thinking to a proper conclusion, it would be logical first in order to "revert" one would:
1. Have to have been with or a follower of Jesus prior to that.
2. For maybe reason of His death, they may have "left off" following Him - Peter may have recognized some of the Jews that were offended at Jesus' words about "eating His flesh and drinking His blood"? Some Jews walked no more with Him.
3. Then Peter called on them to repent (think differently or reconsider) and then to "re-vert" back to Jesus.

The other thing about "converted" is its usage and understanding. It says as its etymology to "change or turn from one religion to another, especially to Christianity." But the thing is that Christianity didn't exist when Peter said those words and Christianity is not a religion. If anything, the 3000 Jews that were born-again at Pentecost were water baptized into the "church" of Peter. It was his sermon. They responded to him. They were now his followers until this New Covenant could be figured out through searching of their Scriptures to understand what they were in the middle of with a Messiah and a Holy Spirit of Promise making their Presence felt.
But Jesus was Israel's Promised Messiah. He is the fulfillment of their covenants. The obvious step would be to just accept who Jesus was - and maybe these Jews did - and then you will have completed Judaism. And Christianity is Completed Judaism. It's not a [new] religion. It's the completion of all the covenants and prophecies and promises fulfilled in Jesus. Its Judaism fulfilled.

Maybe Peter should have said "turn" instead? And being born-again is not in the power of men. They cannot "convert" to Christ on their own without the Father's drawing them. Even then it's the Holy Spirit that converts a person. That's why there are millions of false conversions in the Gentile Church fellowships around the world. Pastors continually preach from the pulpit a similar message as given by Peter in Acts 3. But Peter didn't know. He may have understood terms like "election" and "foreknowledge" as a Jewish man as mentioned in his two letters to Jewish Christians, but it took time to understand Messiah's effect, and the Holy Spirit of Promises' effect upon their Judaism and covenants. Some 22 years later Saul wrote to Jewish Christians who were concerned about their standing in the Abrahamic Covenant while being Messiah-followers and it took Saul's letter to Jewish Christians in the Galatian region to comfort them that they were still "Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise."

But Christianity is not a religion and Jews don't have to be "re-verted" to their religion unless that religion has Christ as its central figure to follow, worship, and adore. I'm sure the people in the Temple Peter were speaking to were practicing Jews. If they weren't they wouldn't be in the Temple. Nor is there any need to repent. According to all three covenants there is no requirement of faith in their provision. The Abrahamic Covenant is mostly a God-sided covenant with Abraham required to do nothing. The Mosaic Covenant does have God requiring obedience with blessing and cursing attached to it, but no mention of faith. And the New Covenant neither has any requirement of faith God demands from the House of Israel and Judah. This makes sense when taken in context to Saul's statement in Romans "and ALL Israel shall be saved" (as per their covenants with God.) There is every indication and Peter, John, James, Saul neither converted to Christianity because there's nothing to convert back to if Jesus is the completion of their covenants and prophecies and promises. What could the eleven disciples do but continue in their Judaic religion but now have a Messiah, Redeemer-King to speak of. Yes, I'm sure of it. All these Jewish men who were disciples of Jesus Christ - Saul included - remained obedient to the Torah and the Jewish way of life. Peter and John went to the Temple to handle some religious duty. After all, Christianity is only Completed Judaism.
 
Above I said, "The Abrahamic Covenant is mostly a God-sided covenant with Abraham required to do nothing."

I correct myself. Abraham was required to circumcise himself, his family and slaves and everyone in his household - strangers (proselytes) included.
 
Above I said, "The Abrahamic Covenant is mostly a God-sided covenant with Abraham required to do nothing."

I correct myself. Abraham was required to circumcise himself, his family and slaves and everyone in his household - strangers (proselytes) included.
The Abrahamic Covenant is still in effect.
B'resheet (Genesis) 12:3
I will bless those who bless you, but I will curse anyone who curses you; and by you all the families of the earth will be blessed.

Baruch Hashem Adonai
 
The Abrahamic Covenant is still in effect.
B'resheet (Genesis) 12:3
I will bless those who bless you, but I will curse anyone who curses you; and by you all the families of the earth will be blessed.

Baruch Hashem Adonai

It was established in anyone but Jesus Christ. Abraham died. Isaac died. These all died have not received the promises.

Give Christ His rightful place. The Eternal Heir of all things. There are no promises without Yeshua.
 
Act 3:11-
And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John,
all the people ran together unto them
in the porch that is called Solomon's,
greatly wondering.
And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people,
"Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this?
or why look ye so earnestly on us,
as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?
The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob,
the God of our fathers, hath glorified His Son Jesus;

whom ye delivered up, and denied Him in the presence of Pilate,
when He was determined to let Him go.
But ye denied the Holy One and the Just,
and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
And killed the Prince of life, Whom God hath raised from the dead;
whereof we are witnesses.

And His name through faith in His name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know:
yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all His prophets,
that Christ should suffer, He hath so fulfilled.'

(11-18)
Repent ye therefore, and be converted,
that your sins may be blotted out,
when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
And He shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things,
which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.

.. For Moses truly said unto the fathers,
.... A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me;
...... him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever He shall say unto you.
........ And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet,
.......... shall be destroyed from among the people.
Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after,
as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers,
saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
Unto you first God, having raised up His Son Jesus, sent Him to bless you,
in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.'

(12-26)
 
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But it is what Peter added when speaking to them in 3:19. He says, be "converted." The word is defined by Strong's as "revert." Well, "revert" to what? Taking Peter's thinking to a proper conclusion, it would be logical first in order to "revert" one would:
1. Have to have been with or a follower of Jesus prior to that.
2. For maybe reason of His death, they may have "left off" following Him - Peter may have recognized some of the Jews that were offended at Jesus' words about "eating His flesh and drinking His blood"? Some Jews walked no more with Him.
3. Then Peter called on them to repent (think differently or reconsider) and then to "re-vert" back to Jesus.
I want to thank you for this because I never noticed before that it perfectly supports the PCE theology contention that all people were in existence when YHWH proclaimed HIS divinity and HIS gospel, Col 1:23, and those who chose to put their faith in the Son as their Savior were chosen, elected, to be saved from any and all sin if they should ever need to be redeemed, all before the foundation of the world, Eph 1:4.

SO, from my pov, YES, the sinful elect did have faith in Him before being sown, not created, into this world, Matt 13:36-39 but then went astray into sin by rebellion and were called to come back,
1 Peter 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray: but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
To return, one must have been there before, at least, according to the normal use of the word. Therefore, in this verse, it would be normal to infer that the sheep that had gone astray, were, at one time part of the Shepherd's flock but had strayed away from HIS care. Since I am sure that the Shepherd was not negligent, the straying away from HIS care must have involved some rebellion.

Therefore, it is normally obvious that Peter is writing to some apostatized (gone astray) Christians (people of the flock). It is also normally apparent that what he was writing is intended for every new convert in every age since.

Therefore, it seems normal that the Holy Spirit would have us believe that all of the Church has personally apostatized from Christ prior to their conversion in this life. Since we are conceived as sinners, it is easy to see that we apostatized from Christ before our conception and that is why we are sinners at our birth.
 
It was established in anyone but Jesus Christ. Abraham died. Isaac died. These all died have not received the promises.

Give Christ His rightful place. The Eternal Heir of all things. There are no promises without Yeshua.
There are no promises or covenants without Adonai.
 
You still don't understand Hebrew?

You don't understand my appeal. The Father and Son are perfectly United. The Jews of Christ's day had your same problem....

Joh 8:23 Jesus replied, “You people are from below; I am from above. You people are from this world; I am not from this world.
Joh 8:24 Thus I told you that you will die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”
 
Peter also Preached that Christ gives repentance to His Chosen People Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

That means As Saviour He causes their repentance or conversion, in fact Peter says that in Acts 3:26

26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Gill writes on this verse and I agree:

sent him to bless you; in person, according to the former sense; for he was indeed sent only to the people of Israel, and to them he preached; many of whom were blessed with converting grace under his ministry; but according to the latter sense, and which seems most agreeable, he was sent in the ministry of the word, and came by his Spirit, first to the Jews, among whom the Gospel was first preached for a while, and was blessed to the conversion of many thousands among them, both in Judea, and in the nations of the world, where they were dispersed:

in turning away everyone of you from his iniquities; in this the blessing lay, and is rightly in our version ascribed to Christ, and to the power of his grace, in the ministration of the Gospel and not to themselves, as in many other versions; as the Syriac version, "if ye convert yourselves, and turn from your evils"; making it both their own act, and the condition of their being blessed; and the Arabic version likewise, "so that everyone of you departs from his wickedness"; but that work is Christ's, and this is the blessing of grace he himself bestows, and is a fruit of redemption by his blood, Titus 2:14.
 
You don't understand my appeal. The Father and Son are perfectly United. The Jews of Christ's day had your same problem....

Joh 8:23 Jesus replied, “You people are from below; I am from above. You people are from this world; I am not from this world.
Joh 8:24 Thus I told you that you will die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”
You have no appeal. In your rant about the Father and Son being perfectly united you forgot about the Ruach Hakodesh the Holy Spirit which is also referred to 4 times in Tanakh as such. Of course maybe you don't believe in the trinity because it doesn't align with your false narrative.
 
I want to thank you for this because I never noticed before that it perfectly supports the PCE theology contention that all people were in existence when YHWH proclaimed HIS divinity and HIS gospel, Col 1:23, and those who chose to put their faith in the Son as their Savior were chosen, elected, to be saved from any and all sin if they should ever need to be redeemed, all before the foundation of the world, Eph 1:4.

SO, from my pov, YES, the sinful elect did have faith in Him before being sown, not created, into this world, Matt 13:36-39 but then went astray into sin by rebellion and were called to come back,
1 Peter 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray: but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
To return, one must have been there before, at least, according to the normal use of the word. Therefore, in this verse, it would be normal to infer that the sheep that had gone astray, were, at one time part of the Shepherd's flock but had strayed away from HIS care. Since I am sure that the Shepherd was not negligent, the straying away from HIS care must have involved some rebellion.

Therefore, it is normally obvious that Peter is writing to some apostatized (gone astray) Christians (people of the flock). It is also normally apparent that what he was writing is intended for every new convert in every age since.

Therefore, it seems normal that the Holy Spirit would have us believe that all of the Church has personally apostatized from Christ prior to their conversion in this life. Since we are conceived as sinners, it is easy to see that we apostatized from Christ before our conception and that is why we are sinners at our birth.
You haven't thought this through.
Israel's Messiah, Redeemer, and King was prophesied to the Jewish/Hebrew people through covenant and prophecy. So, when Jesus arrived, He says, " was sent to the lost sheep of the HOUSE OF ISRAEL", not the house of Gentiles. On all levels this means the "sheep" referred to by Jesus means Hebrews/Jews. The Hebrews/Jews are the starting point in God's redemption. They are also its end. By the time Peter wrote his letters about four decades of Jewish Christianity was in existence and whether through persecution by both Jews and Gentiles for being Christ-followers many Jews wanted to short-circuit that persecution by returning to Judaism, but the author of Hebrews says this is "impossible" (Heb. 6.)

In God's redemption of His elect people (Hebrews/Jews) they were not "conceived as sinners" but as a Holy people IF this conception of this people is synonymous with their contemplation in the Mind of God before He created heaven, earth, and man. In other words, this is where their "foreknowledge" is found. In other words, when God first contemplated His elect, He contemplated them in His Mind as saved, holy, and righteous. He did not contemplate them as sinners in His Mind for there is no sin in God nor is there death in God. It was by virtue of created man and the elect being "blown" into the nostrils and therefore into the loins of Adam that His elect became "lost" and you'll find in Scripture the word "lost" (where the redeemed are concerned) always refers to God's elect. From their being foreknown in the Mind of God when He first contemplated this people to being miraculously 'placed' into the loins of Adam did this elect people become "lost" for they were no longer in the Mind of God in eternity in Himself, but now outside of Him and in this sense "lost" by being given in time fleshly bodies. But only momentarily. A Holy God cannot contemplate a "sinful people." This violates His nature as a Holy God. So, they would have to be "conceived" as holy when He hatched His plan of man and a redeemed people out of man (John 17.)
 
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