Refuting effectually caused faith
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brightfame52
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They were caused to believe the Gospel coming from a preacher of the Gospel
FreeInChrist
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Who says a preacher of the Gospel knew what he was preaching.
Today there are approximately 45,000 different Christian denominations world wide and if you studied them all you would be shocked at how many variances of understanding there are being taught from the scriptures.....
Lets not mention that assorted translations that make it right here in the pages of BAM that can pull meanings away from the next.
So your statement is a non starter IMO for a preacher might be you or me and which of us would "they" believe for the truth on faith?
brightfame52
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A preacher sent by God? Like Paul?
FreeInChrist
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You did not limit things to biblical preachers... you worded it open ended as if it could include even Billy Graham or Paula Jones.
But ya want to stick with the bible.... NAME THEM cause there were other religious leaders who taugh incorrectly ... one
being Nicodemus.
So using 2000 year old preachers... use the name.
Complete
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'For whom He did foreknow,
He also did predestinate
to be conformed to the image of His Son,
that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.'
Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He also called:
and whom He called, them He also justified:
and whom He justified, them He also glorified.'
(Rom. 8:29-30)
Hello @civic,
The pre-destined goal of God, in relation to all He fore-knew, is that they should be, 'conformed to the image of His Son'. Those so 'fore-known', and 'pre-destined' for that purpose, were then called, justified and glorified. Without fore-knowledge, God would not have fore-known who would believe to the saving of their soul, and who would not; therefore could not have pre-destined anyone to be conformed to the image of His Son, prior to their doing so. Am I correct in my thinking?
In Christ Jesus
Chris
He also did predestinate
to be conformed to the image of His Son,
that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.'
Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He also called:
and whom He called, them He also justified:
and whom He justified, them He also glorified.'
(Rom. 8:29-30)
Hello @civic,
The pre-destined goal of God, in relation to all He fore-knew, is that they should be, 'conformed to the image of His Son'. Those so 'fore-known', and 'pre-destined' for that purpose, were then called, justified and glorified. Without fore-knowledge, God would not have fore-known who would believe to the saving of their soul, and who would not; therefore could not have pre-destined anyone to be conformed to the image of His Son, prior to their doing so. Am I correct in my thinking?
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Oh so you think a preacher of the gospel has the power to irresistibly cause men to believe?
brightfame52
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A preacher of the Gospel is an instrument in Gods hand to cause one of His sheep to believe i.e 1 Cor 3:5
Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
So where is it stated they can irresistibly make unbelievers believe?
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