Now it's time to rattle off irrelevant ignorant statements meant to save face.
Refuting effectually caused faith
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civic
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And I have dismantled your pile of straw with Jesus teaching, the Apostles and Calvinist Theologians as your hostile witness
civic
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To see - Rather, he earnestly and joyfully desired that he might see. To see here means to have a view or distinct conception of. It does not imply that Abraham expected that the Messiah would appear during his life, but that he might have a representation of, or a clear description and foresight of the times of the Messiah.
My day - The, day of the Messiah. The word "day," here, is used to denote the time, the appearance, the advent, and the manner of life of the Messiah. Luke 17:26; "as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man." See John 9:4; Matthew 11:12. The day of judgment is also called the day of the Son of man, because it will be a remarkable time of his manifestation. Or perhaps in both those cases it is called his day because he will act the most conspicuous part; his person and work will characterize the times; as we speak of the days of Noah, etc., because he was the most conspicuous person of the age.
He saw it - See Hebrews 11:13; "These all died in faith, not having received (obtained the fulfillment of) the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them," etc. Though Abraham was not permitted to live to see the times of the Messiah, yet he was permitted to have a prophetic view of him, and also of the design of his coming; for,
1. God foretold his advent clearly to him, Genesis 12:3; Genesis 18:18. Compare Galatians 3:16; "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ."
2. Abraham was permitted to have a view of the death of the Messiah as a sacrifice for sin, represented by the command to offer Isaac, Genesis 22:1-13. Compare Hebrews 11:19. The death of the Messiah as a sacrifice for the sins of men was that which characterized his work - which distinguished his times and his advent, and this was represented to Abraham clearly by the command to offer his son. From this arose the proverb among the Jews Genesis 22:14, "In the mount of the Lord it shall be seen," or it shall be provided for; a proverb evidently referring to the offering of the Messiah on the mount for the sins of men. By this event Abraham was impressively told that a parent would not be required to offer in sacrifice his sons for the sins of his soul - a thing which has often been done by pagan; but that God would provide a victim, and in due time an offering would be made for the world.
Was glad - Was glad in view of the promise, and that he was permitted so distinctly to see it represented. If the father of the faithful rejoiced so much to see him afar off, how should we rejoice that he has come; that we are not required to look into a distant futurity, but know that he has appeared; that we may learn clearly the manner of his coming, his doctrine, and the design of his death! Well might the eyes of a patriarch rejoice to be permitted to look in any manner on the sublime and glorious scene of the Son of God dying for the sins of men. And our chief honor and happiness is to contemplate the amazing scene of man's redemption, where the Saviour groaned and died to save a lost and ruined race. Barnes
hope this helps !!!
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It seems he has now backed away from the implication created in mocking the idea Abraham saw Christ's day
No one had received the Spirit in the new covenant manner
John 7:38–39 (KJV 1900) — 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
civic
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Correct !
Did David pray for the Spirit not to leave him?
LOL, the point is he saw Chrsts day. He knew the gospel and believed it. In fact the gospel was preached to Abraham. Galatians 3:8
And Old Testaments saints were held in Abraham's bosom as you noted
civic
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notice someone ran far far away from that one lol. So much for the kingdom of Christ/God/heaven in his view.
There ya go. Hence he was born again. He is not denied the kingdom of heaven.yep gospel truth 101
I did not mock anything.
civic
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nope the gospel was known and it was by faith, not the new birth. nice try
We quoted both Calvin and Barnes proving your view is in error by your own theologians.
equivocating was duly noted.
YepDid David pray for the Spirit not to leave him?
Old Testament leaders, prophets, all that were tasked by God were given the Spirit to help therm in their task. It was not permanent
Even Saul, had the Spirit and the spirit afterwise left him
It was not the regeneration and indwelling seen in the New Testament
Not to mentionnotice someone ran far far away from that one lol. So much for the kingdom of Christ/God/heaven in his view.
Mark 1:14–15 (KJV 1900) — 14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Matthew 3:1–2 (KJV 1900) — 1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, 2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 4:17 (ESV) — 17 From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
Matthew 10:5–7 (ESV) — 5 These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, 6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And proclaim as you go, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’
So their are those who have geniune faith yet are not born again. And see the kingdom of heaven. Where is it written?nope the gospel was known and it was by faith, not the new birth. nice try
We quoted both Calvin and Barnes proving your view is in error by your own theologians.
equivocating was duly noted.
Unless you are born again you CANNOT see the kingdom of heaven."
No, that's laughing.
