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Propitiation article:

The writer explaining about an aspect of Christ Satisfaction in His Death,

PROPITIATION

The word “propitiation” is used three times in the New Testament. In all three places we are told that Christ is our propitiation. The very same Greek word translated “propitiation” in the New Testament is translated “mercy seat” in the Greek version of Exodus 25:21 and in Hebrews 9:5. Whenever you read or think “mercy seat” always think “propitiation.” “Mercy seat” means “propitiation.”


(Exodus 25:21) “And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.”


(Hebrews 9:5) “And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.”

You will recall that the mercy seat which covered the ark of the covenant and covered God’s broken law, upon which the cherubim were fixed, upon which they constantly looked, was the place where the atonement blood of the paschal lamb was sprinkled. The mercy seat was the seat of Divine Majesty where God promised to meet his people in mercy. To the mercy seat men were bidden look in the hope of obtaining mercy from and communing with God through the blood of the accepted ceremonial sacrifice, just as we are bidden to come to the throne of grace that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need because there Christ has sprinkled his blood.

The publican mentioned by our Lord in Luke’s Gospel had a glimpse of Christ as the one represented in the mercy seat. He cried, “God be merciful,” be propitious, “to me a sinner.” He sought mercy through the propitiatory sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Messiah. Now let’s look at the places in Scripture where this word “propitiation” is used in reference to our Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 3:25

The first place where the word “propitiation” is used this way is found in Romans 3:25.

(Romans 3:25) “Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.”

The Lord Jesus Christ was set forth by God the Father to be our propitiation. — He is the One who has made propitiation for us, the One in whom propitiation is found, the One for whose sake God is propitious to sinners, and the One who is himself our Propitiation. Christ is our Mercy Seat. He alone is the place where God meets with sinners, receives us, and blesses us.

· Christ is the One by whom justice has been appeased.

· He is the One who is our Peace.

· He is the propitiatory Sacrifice for our sins.

Just as God, in the Old Testament types smelled the sweet savor of the typical, legal sacrifices, and was ceremonially content with them, so Christ’s precious blood is a sweet smelling savor to him.

John Gill said, “His sacrifice was an offering of a sweet smelling savour to (the Father). He was well pleased with it. It gave him content and satisfaction, because his justice was appeased by it, and the demands of his law were answered, yea, it was magnified and made honorable.”


The Spirit of God declares (Rom. 3:25) that God the Father has set Christ forth as propitiation. How has he done so? How has God the Father set forth his dear Son as our Mediator to be the propitiation for our sins?


Obviously, Paul does not suggest that the Son was compelled to be subservient to the Father. Not at all. This thing was agreed upon by both the Father and the Son. The Son was just as willing to be our Propitiation as the Father is willing to receive his propitiatory sacrifice. Yet, the Holy Spirit here tells us that it was God the Father who set forth his Son to be a propitiation. How has he done so?

1. Christ was set forth to be the propitiation for our sins in the eternal purposes and decrees of God. — He is the Lamb of God who, verily, was foreordained before the foundation of the world to be slain as the ransom price and propitiatory sacrifice for his people. His sufferings and death as such were according to the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God (1 Pet. 1:19; Acts 2:23; 4:28).

(1 Peter 1:18-20) “Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; (19) But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: (20) Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.”

(Acts 2:23) “Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:”

(Acts 4:28) “For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.”

2. Christ was set forth to be our Propitiation in all the promises, prophecies, and pictures of the Old Testament Scriptures. — He is the Seed of the woman promised to Adam and Eve in the Garden who must come to crush the serpent’s head. — He is the paschal lamb, the brazen serpent, the morning and evening sacrifice, and the promised Substitute of whom the prophets wrote.

3. In the fulness of time the Son of God was set forth as our Propitiation in human flesh. — He was actually made of a woman, made under the law, that he might redeem his people who were under the law (Rom. 5: 6; Gal. 4:4-5).

(Romans 5:6) “For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.”

(Galatians 4:4-5) “But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, (5) To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.”

4. Our Lord Jesus is still set forth to be the Propitiation for our sins, and shall be until time shall be no more, in the gospel. — In the Book of God — By the Servants of God — By the Spirit of God.

1 John 2:2

Our Savior is also called the propitiation for our sins in 1 John 2:2.

(1 John 2:1-2) “My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: (2) And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”

Our blessed Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ is the propitiatory sacrifice for the sins of God’s elect Jews and Gentiles, throughout all the world, the sacrifice by and through which God is merciful to us, being pacified towards us for all that we are and all that we have done (Heb. 8:12; Ezek. 16:6).

(Hebrews 8:12) “For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.”

(Ezekiel 16:63) “That thou mayest remember, and be confounded, and never open thy mouth any more because of thy shame, when I am pacified toward thee for all that thou hast done, saith the Lord GOD.”

1 John 4:10

We see the same thing in 1 John 4:10.

(1 John 4:9-10) “In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. (10) Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.”

Because of his great love for us God the Father sent his darling Son into the world to be the propitiation for our sins by offering up his soul and body as a sacrifice to Divine justice to make atonement for us.

ATONEMENT

That brings me to my next point. As propitiation, or appeasement, is one aspect of Christ’s satisfaction, a second aspect of it is atonement.

The word atonement is frequently used in the Old Testament in connection with the typical sacrifices of the law and making expiation of sin (Lev. 1:4; 4:20, 26, 31, 35; 5:6, 10, 13, 16, 18; 16:6, 10, 11, 16-18, 27, 30, 32-34; Lev. 17:11). The basic meaning of the word is “to cover”.

· The Pitch Used To Cover Noah’s Ark

· The Sprinkled Blood Covering The Mercy Seat and The Ark.

· The Blood Upon The Door Posts and Lentil

Christ, by his sacrifice, the antitype of these, is a covering to his people, — from the curses of the law we have broken, — from the wrath of God we have deserved, — and from avenging justice of the holy Lord God to which our sins expose us.

Romans 5:11

However, the word “atonement is only used one time in the New Testament. We find it only in Romans 5:11.

(Romans 5:11) “And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.”

This atonement was made for us by Christ our Surety, Head, and Representative. The knowledge, blessing, and benefit of it, the application of it, comes to us by the Spirit of God, who takes the blood, righteousness, and sacrifice of Christ, and applies to us, and shows us our interest the atonement, causing us and enabling us to receive the effect of it by trusting Christ. The effect of it is joy, peace, and comfort in the knowledge of redemption accomplished.

The word used here properly signifies “reconciliation”, and is translated that way at times, just as the Hebrew word for atonement is sometimes translated “reconcile” (Lev. 6:30). The fact is atonement and reconciliation are two words that, in a sense, speak of the same thing. Both imply a satisfaction made for sin and accepted by God. The word “atonement” means “at one with”. Believers are brought to be at one with God by the sin-atoning blood of Christ. As soon as you believe on the Son of God, you are at one with God because God has reconciled you to himself by the death of Christ for you. Now, let’s consider this third aspect of Christ’s Satisfaction. http://www.donfortner.com/sermon_no...ree Aspects of Christ's Satisfaction 1770.htm
 
Propitiation article:

The writer explaining about an aspect of Christ Satisfaction in His Death,
GINOLJC, to all.
Correct, for Christ is the ARK, or the BODY, of the NEW COVENANT. hence, it's lid, or the "COVERING".
G2435 ἱλαστήριον hilasterion (hiy-la-stee'-riy-on) n.
1. an item or location used in obtaining favorable forgiveness.
2. (concisely) an atonement place or sacrifice.
3. (concretely) an atoning sacrifice (for favorable forgiveness); (i.e. the victim, not the act).
4. (specially) the atonement seat, the lid of the Ark (in the Temple)
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[neuter of G2433 with enclitic of a surface or place]
KJV: mercyseat, propitiation
Root(s): G2433
Compare: G2643
See also: G2434, G2379, H3722, H3725, H3727

when used as a noun, "Placation, atonement, similar to expiation but with the added concept of appeasement of anger", it is synonyms with, reconciliation, peacemaking, comfort, reuniting, restoration of harmony, solace, moderation, relief, rest, mitigating, remission, deliverance, succor, mediation, consolation.

when used as a noun, "A payment of time, effort or money to undo past transgression(s)". it is synonyms with, recompense, reparation, restitution, amends, atonement, indemnification, penance, quittance, recoupment, redemption, reimbursement, satisfaction, remittance.

if one would notice, all of these things are the work of the Holy Spirit.

101G.
 
From my college days of studying propitiation and the ensuing debates of it. I saw propitiation very simple. Christ satisfied our sin debt. Isn't that simple. Jesus Christ died on the Cross and satisfied our sin debt, we are now reconciled to God

So was Israel when they placed the blood of the Passover lamb on their door posts and lintel. 600,000 men reconciled to God. There can be no doubt about the truth of this statement. But Paul said not to be ignorant of the Salvational fact that "many", "who were reconciled to God", fell in the wilderness? And who was it that fell?

Heb. 3: 14 For we are made partakers of Christ, "if we hold" the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.

17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? (After being reconciled to God)

18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Being "Reconciled to God", or "Passover" is only the beginning of Salvation, not the end as is taught by this world's religious system.

As Paul teaches;

1 Cor. 10: 11 Now all these things happened unto them "for ensamples": and they are written "for our admonition", upon whom the ends of the world are come.

12 Wherefore (Because of this undeniable truth) let him that thinketh he standeth take heed "lest he fall". (As they did)
 
. There is no propitiation apart from reconciliation. Propitiation presupposes the righteous wrath of God; therefore, it is Godward. The purpose of propitiation is to remove God’s wrath. Hence, the death of Jesus Christ propitiated the holy wrath of God, rendering Him propitious to those for whom Jesus Christ died. Also being reconciled, they are received into the Divine Favor of God, even as enemies Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

This is objective reconciliation, and the greek word is katallassó:

Reconcile, restore to favor:

Meaning: I change, exchange, reconcile.

Word Origin: From the Greek preposition "kata" (meaning "down" or "against") and "allassó" (meaning "to change" or "to exchange").

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: The concept of reconciliation in the Old Testament is often linked to the Hebrew word "כָּפַר" (kaphar), Strong's Hebrew 3722, which means to cover, atone, or make reconciliation.

Usage: The verb "katallassó" primarily means to reconcile or to restore a relationship to a state of harmony. In the New Testament, it is used to describe the restoration of the relationship between God and humanity through Jesus Christ. This reconciliation involves a change from enmity to friendship, emphasizing the removal of the barrier of sin and the establishment of peace.

God has no wrath, but conversely favor and peace with the propitiated world 1 Jn 2:1-2

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Remember the propitiated are also reconciled, and thats legal, objective Salvation. So 1 Jn 2:2 is limited to the objectively saved from wrath
 
Also there's no propitiation apart from the Love of God 1 Jn 4:10

10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

And Gods Love is limited to His own elect in the world Jm 13:1


Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

Is He the propitiation for the workers of Iniquity ? Ps 5:5

5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
The world of Jn 1:29 is a Justified world since its sin has been removed, taken away by the Lamb of God

29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

to remove the guilt and punishment of sin by expiation, or to cause that sin be neither imputed nor punished

Taketh away airō, in this context it means to take away or expiate the sin of world of the elect, its delivered from the guilt and punishment due to its sin.
 
The world of Jn 1:29 is a Justified world since its sin has been removed, taken away by the Lamb of God

29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

to remove the guilt and punishment of sin by expiation, or to cause that sin be neither imputed nor punished

Taketh away airō, in this context it means to take away or expiate the sin of world of the elect, its delivered from the guilt and punishment due to its sin.
question, "was any of the ..... "world" ...... just before God, before the Lamb took away sin?

101G.
 
You need to crawl b4 you walk. Do you believe the world of Jn 1:29 is saved from its sin ?
was not Job who was a son of God JUST? Job 1:1 "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil."

the term "UPRIGHT" is the Hebrew word,
H3477 יָשָׁר yashar (yaw-shawr') adj.
straight.
{literally or figuratively}
[from H3474]
KJV: convenient, equity, Jasher, just, meet(-est), + pleased well right(-eous), straight, (most) upright(-ly, -ness).
Root(s): H3474
just is short for Justification.......so, you crawl b4 "U" walk.

101G.
 
was not Job who was a son of God JUST? Job 1:1 "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil."

the term "UPRIGHT" is the Hebrew word,
H3477 יָשָׁר yashar (yaw-shawr') adj.
straight.
{literally or figuratively}
[from H3474]
KJV: convenient, equity, Jasher, just, meet(-est), + pleased well right(-eous), straight, (most) upright(-ly, -ness).
Root(s): H3474
just is short for Justification.......so, you crawl b4 "U" walk.

101G.
And your point ?
 
1 Jn 2:1-2

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


Who is the He here in Vs 2 and how is He the propitiation for our sins ?

The He here is found in Vs 1, Jesus Christ the righteous !

Now its important that He's called Jesus Christ the Righteous

First He's Righteous in and of Himself Acts 3:14;7:52, He's not like us who when we're born sinners, in and of ourselves, none is righteous Rom 3:10

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

This applies to all mankind by nature, elect and none elect.

But in addition to Jesus Christ the righteous being righteous in and of Himself, He also is the righteousness of all them He died for, all for whom He represented. Paul writes that of God Christ was made unto all for whom He lived and died 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

And included in His suretyship obedience for them He died, they are made righteous Rom 5:19

9 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Jesus Christ the righteous isn't only individually righteous in and of Himself but is also the righteousness of all for whom He propitiated God for, or all for whom He lived and died.
 
1 Jn 2:1-2

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


Who is the He here in Vs 2 and how is He the propitiation for our sins ?

The He here is found in Vs 1, Jesus Christ the righteous !

Now its important that He's called Jesus Christ the Righteous

First He's Righteous in and of Himself Acts 3:14;7:52, He's not like us who when we're born sinners, in and of ourselves, none is righteous Rom 3:10

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

This applies to all mankind by nature, elect and none elect.

But in addition to Jesus Christ the righteous being righteous in and of Himself, He also is the righteousness of all them He died for, all for whom He represented. Paul writes that of God Christ was made unto all for whom He lived and died 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

And included in His suretyship obedience for them He died, they are made righteous Rom 5:19

9 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Jesus Christ the righteous isn't only individually righteous in and of Himself but is also the righteousness of all for whom He propitiated God for, or all for whom He lived and died.
Yes, Christ is righteous, but was not righteousness in the world before the LAW, and many was declared righteous even before the Law came?

101G.
 
Back to dismantling the OP

In 1 John 4:10 hilasmos/ translated as propitiation in some translations there cannot mean sooth anger and must mean something else( Expiation) than what is taught in christendom. God says love 3 times in that passage so it cannot mean anger being soothed. It means expiation as in covering for sin.

I always go to Christ who is God as my primary source of truth. His teaching must not contradict anyone else in scripture. If there seems to be a contradiction then it is with mans understanding on the topic not from Jesus teaching. He is God and He is the authority on all things. Not once did Jesus even hint Hid death was propitiation as taught by the reformers meaning appeasing an angry deity- that concept is pagan. That is why propitiation is not a good translation, expiation is the better translation and meaning in 1 John.

How did He view His own death- the atonement ?

We see God the Son described His own death, the Atonement in 4 ways. Theology begins with God. He said His death was a Substitution, a Ransom, a Passover, a Sacrifice and for forgiveness of sins- Expiation

1- Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. John 15:13 Substitution, Ransom

2-No man takes my life I lay it down and I will take it up again- John 10:18 Substitution, Ransom

3- I lay My life down for the sheep- John 10:15 Substitution, Ransom

4- Jesus viewed His death as the Passover John 6:51

5-just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a Ransom for many- Matthew 20:28

6-I Am the Good Shepherd who lays down His life for the sheep- Substitution, John 10:11

7-Jesus said in John 11:50- nor do you take into account that it is expedient for you that one man die for the people, and that the whole nation not perish- Substitution

8 -This is my blood of the Covenant which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins- Matthew 26:28- Expiation

The N.T. writers' emphasis on the atonement is on the side of expiation rather than propitiation, which is only used twice in the epistle of 1 John. Gods’ wrath is still future and will judge those who reject His Sons atonement for sin. Gods’ wrath was not poured out on the Son for sin otherwise there would be no future wrath from God because of sin.

If we were to read propitiation ( appease an angry god as the meaning ) in 1 John 4:10 look at how absurd if reads.

This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son to appease our angry god , to appease His anger, to appease his angry self etc.......for our sins.

That makes no sense at all theologically , grammatically or contextually. It’s a contradiction, an oxymoron.


These translations properly convey the meaning of hilasmos.

Berean Standard Bible
And love consists in this: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son as the atoning sacrifice for our sins.

New International Version
This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.

New Living Translation
This is real love—not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a sacrifice to take away our sins.

Christian Standard Bible
Love consists in this: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the atoning sacrifice for our sins.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
In this is love: it was not that we loved God, but he has loved us, and he sent us his Son, the atonement for the sake of our sins.

Contemporary English Version
Real love isn't our love for God, but his love for us. God sent his Son to be the sacrifice by which our sins are forgiven.

Good News Translation
This is what love is: it is not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the means by which our sins are forgiven.

International Standard Version
This is love: not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the atoning sacrifice for our sins.

Majority Standard Bible
And love consists in this: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son as the atoning sacrifice for our sins.

New American Bible
In this is love: not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as expiation for our sins.

NET Bible
In this is love: not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the atoning sacrifice for our sins.

New Revised Standard Version
In this is love, not that we loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the atoning sacrifice for our sins.

New Heart English Bible
In this is love, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son as the atoning sacrifice for our sins.

Weymouth New Testament
This is love indeed--we did not love God, but He loved us and sent His Son to be an atoning sacrifice for our sins.

World English Bible
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son as the atoning sacrifice for our sins.
 
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Here are the only three uses of “propitiation” in the KJV:

“Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation(G2435) through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.” (Rom 3:25-26)

“And he is the propitiation (G2434) for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2)

“Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation(G2434) for our sins.” (1 John 4:10)

As we will see, this is a very poor word to use to translate the original Greek.

Here are the definitions given for the Greek words used for propitiation:

Original Word Definitions

G2434 ἱλασμός hilasmos hil-as-mos’

a root word; n m;
AV-propitiation 2; 2
1) an appeasing, propitiating
2) the means of appeasing, a propitiation

G2435 ἱλαστήριον hilasterion hil-as-tay’-ree-on
from a derivative of G2433; n n;
AV-propitiation 1, mercyseat 1; 2
1) relating to an appeasing or expiating, having placating or expiating force, expiatory; a means of appeasing or expiating, a propitiation
1a)
used of the cover of the ark of the covenant in the Holy of Holies, which was sprinkled with the blood of the expiatory victim on the annual day of atonement (this rite signifying that the life of the people, the loss of which they had merited by their sins, was offered to God in the blood as the life of the victim, and that God by this ceremony was appeased and their sins expiated); hence the lid of expiation, the propitiatory
1b) an expiatory sacrifice
1c) an expiatory victim

Since G2435 comes from G2433 we should look at that word:

2433 ἱλάσκομαι hilaskomai hil-as’-kom-ahee
middle voice from the same as 2436; v;
AV-be merciful 1, make reconciliation 1; 2
1) to render one’s self, to appease, conciliate to one’s self
1a) to become propitious, be placated or appeased
1b) to be propitious, be gracious, be merciful
2) to expiate, make propitiation for

There is only one other verse that uses “hilasterion” (G2435):

“And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; (G2435) of which we cannot now speak particularly.” (Heb 9:5)

That verse suggests that “hilasterion” is a place where mercy is given – quite different from the usual meaning of propitiation.

So, if that word had been used in Romans 3:25, would that give the verse a different meaning?

“Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiationmercy seat …”

It literally means “a place or means of reconciliation, a place where atonement or unity and at-one-ment takes place.”

The only two verses that use “hilaskomai” (G2433) are:

“And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful (G2433) to me a sinner.” (Luke 18:13)

“Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for (G2433) the sins of the people.” (Heb 2:17)

Those verses do not suggest anything like propitiation. What are the effects of the translation of a word meaning mercy seat as propitiation? They can’t be good.

Where did the Concept of Propitiation Come From?

Many (if not all) pagan cultures embrace the concept of propitiation and appeasement. Here is another example of modern misunderstanding:

“… Propitiation is an ancient word, which we as Christians have in common with other world religions. To propitiate a god is to offer a sacrifice that turns aside the god’s wrath. Anyone who believes in a god knows that they need some way to stay on the friendly side of that god. So they give gifts to the god, or serve in the temple, or give alms. And if the god is angry with them, they pay a price, or make a sacrifice, or find some way to soothe the god’s anger: they propitiate him.”(https://maney.us/blog/2014/03/25/trevin-wax-pagan-propitiation-vs-biblical-propitiation/)

Do we really need a way to stay on the friendly side of God? What about “God is love”?

Here are verses using “propitiation” (in the KJV):

“God presented Jesus as the way and the means of restoration. Now, through the trust established by the evidence of God’s character revealed when Christ died, we may partake of the Remedy procured by Christ. God did this to demonstrate that he is right and good — because in his forbearance he suspended, for a time, the ultimate consequence of us being out of harmony with his design for life — yet he has been falsely accused of being unfair. 26 He did it to demonstrate at the present time how right and good he is, so that he would also be seen as being right when he heals those who trust in Jesus.” (Rom 3:25-26, )

“This is what real love is: It is not that we have loved God, or that we have done something to get him to love us, but that he loved us so much that he sent his Son to become the Remedy and cure for the infection of sin and selfishness so that through him we might be restored into perfect unity with God.” (1 John 4:10, ) https://characterofgod.org/propitiation-definition/

hope this helps !!!
 
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Thought so, Ok, 101G will help you out. Romans 2:11 "For there is no respect of persons with God." Romans 2:12 "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;" Romans 2:13 "(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." Romans 2:14 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:" Romans 2:15 "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)"

101G.
 
Thought so, Ok, 101G will help you out. Romans 2:11 "For there is no respect of persons with God." Romans 2:12 "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;" Romans 2:13 "(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." Romans 2:14 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:" Romans 2:15 "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)"

101G.
Are you discussing propitiation ?
 
@civic

If we were to read propitiation ( appease an angry god as the meaning ) in 1 John 4:10 look at how absurd if reads.

Its more like Justice, God is angry with sin and sinners, and that Justly Ps 7:11

God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

But He is not angry with the righteous/elect, their sins were imputed to Christ, of which His anger for their sins was executed upon Christ, and Christ by bearing their sins, appeased Gods Just anger,

But since Christ didnt die for the wicked, God isnt appeased, He is angry with them everyday of their lives. So they cannot be of them of 1 Jn 2:2 impossible

That word angry/zaam means: To be indignant, to denounce, to express wrath

Gods Indignation goes with Gods wrath Rom 2:8

But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

But all this fierceness against certain sinners, cant apply to them of the world of 1 Jn 2:2, For them, Justice satisfied
 
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