Open Debate on the "Eternal Sonship vs Incarnate Sonship which is biblical?"
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praise_yeshua
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101G disagrees and here's why. listen carefully. 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers," 1 Timothy 1:10 "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"
Knowing this, (one don't have to look this up. this is fact). that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners. "if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;" if one do not have sound doctrine, A. one is not in Christ Jesus. and B. will meet the Law. .......YIKES! .... read it again.
101G.
I say this all the time. I have for many years. Chastening, is a sign of sonship. God deals with us as sons in chastening. God does so because He loves us. God doesn't chasten illegitimate children.
I've been chastened my entire life in Christ. I've never gotten to where I don't experience chastening. If you'll just stop for a minute and think about this..... what does this mean?
You might realize that you're not done with knowing God. We never really are. To say you are is actual a lie and would require chastening. You seem to actually think you're done knowing God. There is too much to know. Too much to know better.
Everyone wants to "dumb down" God so they can claim what you're claiming. You just realize how far off you are. I don't God is going to send you to hell because you're still learning and are being rather stubborn about it.
praise_yeshua
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Back to "glory".... Is glory immaterial?
101G
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when one is given correct doctrine and one "RESFUSE" to obey, is he or she a child of God ... or as Hebrews says a "bastard". your reply please.
101G.
101G
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praise_yeshua
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Yes. That is why we are chasten. If we always listened, there wouldn't be any chastening. Get it?
Why would God chasten you for obeying?
praise_yeshua
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You said it was. You're changing now.
101G
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are he chastening you for a false doctrine now? if not then one is not his child.
101G.
101G
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praise_yeshua
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What does false doctrine have to do with it. There are many reasons why we're chastened. If you're not being chastened, then you're not a son. Get it?
When we are born again, we become babies. It doesn't matter how old we are in this flesh. We become babies. Infants. We don't understand what we see or what we hear. It is all new to us.
So what happened to you when you didn't do what God told you to do when you were an infant?
I wish people would stop listening to such silly silly things from others.
praise_yeshua
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Yes. You don't realize it. You said that spirit is immaterial. Does spirit have glory?
101G
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that's the key ....... were one born again? was the Great commission implemented? who name was one called on and BAPTIZED in?
101G
praise_yeshua
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I forgot.... you're one of "those" onlyists.....
This is fruitless. I'll leave you to yourself. Do as you please...
101G
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did 101G say that he was an onliest? why you JUDGE, is it Christian, (meaning those save), to Judge one another?
101G
I didn't say they were the same. In fact, I explained the difference.
He is using immaterial in the sense of not material, i.e, incorporeal, not in the sense of inconsequential.
praise_yeshua
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I understood. It is more of a challenge of traditional theological vernaculars. I can't imagine immaterial glory. It doesn't "sit well" with my sensibilities. If Christ went to prepare a place for us, which He did in a material body that is Glorious, I don't believe we can separate material and incorporeal. These types of conversations very seldom fit into "neat little" predefined defenses.
@101G
I do not believe we have errors in our bibles, if so, then we have no word of God to where we can put 100% faith in for the scriptures to be God's infallible word.
But we can discuss this more later.
I'm not up to taking this to another thread which if we continue discussing this we should. I might do so later, but at moment I'm trying to get better, been sick almost two weeks now, and not getting better. I will only say this for now:
I do not believe we have errors in our bibles, if so, then we have no word of God to where we can put 100% faith in for the scriptures to be God's infallible word.
As I said above:
Abraham named it after the LORD, which he DID know.
But we can discuss this more later.
Is Milo a masculine name, or feminine name? Just wondering. I did not want to embarrass myself. I know the Flores is for the most part Spanish. I'm thinking Milo is masculine.
A couple of questions for you: What do you mean by: "Christ is eternal in the sense of being before space-time,"
What part of Christ was eternal?
Also: "uniquely begotten of the Father, and the One through whom all creation came into being."
Begotten when?
Where do you read anything about Christ in a material body that is glorious? Answer -- You don't.
