Open Debate on the "Eternal Sonship vs Incarnate Sonship which is biblical?"

[praise_yeshua]

Then agree or disagree but stop that infuriating habit of telling me and others what I believe or what others believe. I do think it is a weakness in your character and probably your own mode of thinking to keep trying to tell others what they believe. If you are married, I would guess that weakness of character is really a monstrous irritation to your wife.

I have to tell others what they believe because they misrepresent what they believe. You're doing just that. It certainly is a character flaw on your part. I'm not a liar by any stretch of imagination.

When you say 1+1 doesn't = 2. I have every right to tell you what you really believe. That is what you're doing. Your belief is divorced from reality. I have explained just why it is several times now with examples. You refuse to engage in those details because you know it is true.

Engage, agree or disagree but don't tell me I can't understand what you're saying. Your words speak for themselves. I don't need you to explain them to me. Just use them. Write. Speak. Use your words. Don't pretend only you know what you believe. That is delusional. What you believe is the sum of what your words require.

 

[Jim]

What about them Californians???? @civic

Actually I spent a total of about 20 years in California. My first stint there in the early 70s California was a very nice place to live, work and play. By the third time in the mid 90s, it had already begun to descend down into the pit of degradation with the entrance of Clinton in the White House and the really weak Pete Wilson in the CA governors seat.

 

[Jim]

I have to tell others what they believe because they lie about what they believe.

I didn't realize I was conversing with God in my responses to you. My apologies - NOT. What a horrific egotist you must be..

 

[civic]

Actually I spent a total of about 20 years in California. My first stint there in the early 70s California was a very nice place to live, work and play. By the third time in the mid 90s, it had already begun to descend down into the pit of degradation with the entrance of Clinton in the White House and the really weak Pete Wilson in the CA governors seat.

Born in San Francisco in 60 and lived in the Bay Area until 39 then moved to the Modesto area. Been in California my entire life. I may or may not retire here.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Actually I spent a total of about 20 years in California. My first stint there in the early 70s California was a very nice place to live, work and play. By the third time in the mid 90s, it had already begun to descend down into the pit of degradation with the entrance of Clinton in the White House and the really weak Pete Wilson in the CA governors seat.

I'm fine with California. I've been there several times on business. Usually around the City of Industry area. I've been to Hope Arkansas. I didn't see much hope there but I hope that changes....

I was poking civic a little..... I'm from NC. We're a peculiar group of people. A mix of many different traditions. Most of them just nonsense.

 

[Jim]

Born in San Francisco in 60 and lived in the Bay Area until 39 then moved to the Modesto area. Been in California my entire life. I may or may not retire here.

It could be a great place again, but that would take getting rid of the leadership in Sacramento and that will take a good bit of time if it ever happens. I think the move from San Francisco to Modesto brought quite a change. Some of my very best friends were in California. Most are no longer there having either died or moved.

 

[Jim]

I was poking civic a little..... I'm from NC. We're a peculiar group of people. A mix of many different traditions. Most of them just nonsense.

Then you must fit right in with most of them.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I didn't realize I was conversing with God in my responses to you. My apologies - NOT. What a horrific egotist you must be..

I explained myself. You ignored that part. What does that say about you? Is that honesty and integrity on display?

No. I'm not God. It doesn't take God to understand the English language and discern what other people say. Either learn how to do this yourself to the point of detailing how I got you wrong or stop this nonsense of "you don't understand me". You said what you believed. I've been dealing with the mistakes since you did. Everyone can read it for themselves.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Then you must fit right in with most of them.

HaHa. I changed the word "lie" to "misrepresent" after you quoted me. I'm not looking to make an enemy of you. However, facts are facts and reality is realty. I don't live in a fairytale. I call things like they are.

I'm usually one of my own worst critics. I'm not for traditions at most any level. We can get along but it is what it is. We can let God handle the dispute between us. I'm not dumb enough to think God loves me more than He does you. Often these types of disputes don't go much of anywhere. I know that. I still take the journey. Such things are needful. God expects us to be self correcting. We are our brother's keepers. Take it for what it is brother.

 

[Jim]

Everyone can read it for themselves.

Then have the common decency to let them do just that. Neither I nor they need you self-imposed majesty to do that for us.

I am just a little curious. Do you have any friends at all?

 

[Jim]

I call things like they are.

You call things like you think they are.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Then have the common decency to let them do just that. Neither I nor they need you self-imposed majesty to do that for us.

I am just a little curious. Do you have any friends at all?

So you're the only judge of you? I know that isn't true. You know why? I can read.

1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

I'll be glad to have the church judge between us.

Do I have friends? How about Jesus..... He is the very reason that I'm against what you believe.

I prefer it when others don't disparage my friend Jesus by insisting Jesus is schizophrenic by talking to Himself in the third person. I realize you probably haven't faced real scrutiny before but I'm accustomed defending the honor of my friend Jesus and His Father.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You call things like you think they are.

So where am I wrong? You haven't detailed that at all. Please do so. I gave several examples. Pick one.

 

[FreeInChrist]

I have to tell others what they believe because they misrepresent what they believe. You're doing just that. It certainly is a character flaw on your part. I'm not a liar by any stretch of imagination.

I do not. You just do not understand me.

When you say 1+1 doesn't = 2. I have every right to tell you what you really believe. That is what you're doing. Your belief is divorced from reality. I have explained just why it is several times now with examples. You refuse to engage in those details because you know it is true.

Engage, agree or disagree but don't tell me I can't understand what you're saying. Your words speak for themselves. I don't need you to explain them to me. Just use them. Write. Speak. Use your words. Don't pretend only you know what you believe. That is delusional. What you believe is the sum of what your words require.

 

[Jim]

I prefer it when others don't disparage my friend Jesus by insisting Jesus is schizophrenic by talking to Himself in the third person. I realize you probably haven't faced real scrutiny before but I'm accustomed defending the honor of my friend Jesus and His Father.

And there we have it. I have never said Jesus is schizophrenic by talking to Himself. I have never said that Jesus talks to Himself. Why? Because I don't believe it. That you think I do just shows all of us how poorly you understand what anyone says, even the Holy Spirit.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I do not. You just do not understand me.

Are you Jim?

I understand you well. Detail how I don't.

I bet there were thousands of Pharisees that told Jesus "you just don't understand me".....

 

[Jim]

So where am I wrong?

I have only a few hours free today. So I won't have time to do that justice.

 

[Jim]

I do not. You just do not understand me.

AMEN and AMEN and AMEN!

 

[praise_yeshua]

And there we have it. I have never said Jesus is schizophrenic by talking to Himself. I have never said that Jesus talks to Himself. Why? Because I don't believe it. That you think I do just shows all of us how poorly you understand what anyone says, even the Holy Spirit.

Again. Reality. You are saying things that are divorced from the sum of your words. What you said equals just that.

I've already explained this and you're refusing to quote where I did in response to me. You're doing this because you're being deceptive. Quote everything I said. Not just one little blurb and pretend that is all I SAID.

I explained myself.

 

[FreeInChrist]

I'm fine with California. I've been there several times on business. Usually around the City of Industry area. I've been to Hope Arkansas. I didn't see much hope there but I hope that changes....

I was poking civic a little..... I'm from NC. We're a peculiar group of people. A mix of many different traditions. Most of them just nonsense.

Guess I am the only Yankee from north of the Mason Dixon line.

No wonder no one understands me. Especially @Red Baker because his southern drawl comes through in his typing.