Omniscience????

[Presby02]

ok I think you, me and tom should play 9 holes to see who wins and who is right

I played great last night. I'm in

 

[civic]

I played great last night. I'm in

I picked up a 7 wood this week a used Taylormade RBZ is excellent cond for only $40. I've never played one before but it seems to be the club everyone has been talking about the past few years with several tour players having them in their bags. So I'm going to hit is maybe a dozen times this sunday and see if it will have a place in my bag.

 

[Presby02]

I picked up a 7 wood this week a used Taylormade RBZ is excellent cond for only $40. I've never played one before but it seems to be the club everyone has been talking about the past few years with several tour players having them in their bags. So I'm going to hit is maybe a dozen times this sunday and see if it will have a place in my bag.

My son loves those fairway woods. I use my 5 wood a lot and just choke up on it. My favorite club

 

[civic]

My son loves those fairway woods. I use my 5 wood a lot and just choke up on it. My favorite club

Yes I just took out my 3 wood and I'm using a stealth plus 5 wood 2 degrees strong- Its 18 degrees adjusted down to 16 and it has a shorter shaft so I hit it better than my 3 wood and hardly lose any distance. Its my go to off the tee when I need to hit a fairway.

 

[Presby02]

Yes I just took out my 3 wood and I'm using a stealth plus 5 wood 2 degrees strong- Its 18 degrees adjusted down to 16 and it has a shorter shaft so I hit it better than my 3 wood and hardly lose any distance. Its my go to off the tee when I need to hit a fairway.

I have a hard time with my 3 wood and 3 iron so I give up a little distance and use my 5 wood. I am much more comfortable with that club for some reason. What is your go to club?

 

[civic]

I have a hard time with my 3 wood and 3 iron so I give up a little distance and use my 5 wood. I am much more comfortable with that club for some reason. What is your go to club?

I have all new clubs this year. I picked up an 18* Callaway Paradym X hybrid thats adjustable down to 17* or up to 20*. I'm playing it at 17* and its the best hybrid I've ever used and resembles a fairway wood more than a hybrid. I also picked up a Taylormade mini BRNR 11.5 * last year and it replaced my Cobra driver I gave to my son. So I use my mini on longer par 4's and par 5's and my 5w or hybrid on all the other tee shots. My longest iron in my Wilson D9's is a 6 iron which is a 24* loft which is the same as my 4i loft in my previous set. They are really strong lofts in that iron set.

 

[Presby02]

I have all new clubs this year. I picked up an 18* Callaway Paradym X hybrid thats adjustable down to 17* or up to 20*. I'm playing it at 17* and its the best hybrid I've ever used and resembles a fairway wood more than a hybrid. I also picked up a Taylormade mini BRNR 11.5 * last year and it replaced my Cobra driver I gave to my son. So I use my mini on longer par 4's and par 5's and my 5w or hybrid on all the other tee shots. My longest iron in my Wilson D9's is a 6 iron which is a 24* loft which is the same as my 4i loft in my previous set. They are really strong lofts in that iron set.

I going to get a new set next Spring. I was rally impressed with Mizunos. I have always been partial to Callaways but I might get the Mizunos instead.

 

[civic]

I going to get a new set next Spring. I was rally impressed with Mizunos. I have always been partial to Callaways but I might get the Mizunos instead.

Their irons are sweet looking plus they are forged.i still have my forged hogan apex edge irons from 02 that are in excellent shaped. They feel allot nicer than my Wilson’s

 

[TomL]

Still no causation mentioned in his own source.

Notice he is now trying to change toe topic. The topic is not God, it's about causation in fatalism. I could help him but let's watch him squirm.

Dodging once again I see

Duh

fa·tal·ism
[ˈfādlˌizəm]
noun

1. the belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable

Are you going to claim God's determinations lack causality?

Are you going to deny you have claimed God is the ultimate cause off all things


Notice once again readers he does not answer

The fact you did not answer shows you lost again and are dodging

but to answer your question causation by either naturalistic or theistic causes depending on one's belief system

What excuse will you now offer for your continual dodging?

 

[Studyman]

Does God exhaustively know every single "bit" of information past present and future of all existence?

The Scriptural answer.... is NO.....

What if "Time" itself is a created realm. Created by the God of Scriptures. Since everything in our physical existence is experienced through the prism of time, everything has a beginning and an end. That is the one constant within the realm of Time. But it is said that God and His Son has no beginning and no end. So if God created Time, He would know the end of time from the beginning of time. Like a globe in His Hand. Since He knows the beginning of time, from the end of time, in His Realm, everything within the realm of time has already happened.

He can look into what Time calls the future, because in His Realm it has already happened. He can therefore declare the end from the very beginning. It is written that at some point, Time itself will END, as it would have to end by its very existence.

Rev. 10: 5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,

6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

So does God know everything concerning what "WE" call past, present and future? How could HE not, if He also created the realm of Time?

You know how I know this? I know because I've studied the Scriptures.

Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

God does have a memory issue. I wouldn't call it a problem but it really isn't a problem. Man might say it is but its not. It is a ridiculous argument.

God is powerful enough to actually do what He said He will do. FORGET.

So if you remove this silly notion from your theology, then what would your theology become? It certainly wouldn't be Arminian nor Calvinist.

A very interesting perspective. The English translation used the word "remember" as English word for the Hebrew "Zakar". The Hebrew Word meant "To Mark", "so as to be recognized". to remember, by implication "to mention". Other words to define "Zakar" are "make mention of", be mindful, recount, record, remember, make to be remembered, Bring (Call, come, keep, put) to (in) remembrance, still think on.

I did a quick search on the word "forget and forgotten". There is not one place in the Bible, that I can find, where it is written that God "forgets anything". He does say HE doesn't hold the past sins of men against them, under certain circumstances.

I could be wrong here, but I think when God says "And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more", HE means that their transgressions are no longer held against them. That God makes no more mention of them or is no longer mindful of them, nor does HE recount them in His Judgment.

Whereas the religious sects and businesses of this world, including the philosophies of the religious sects you mentioned, God has this to say.

Rev. 18: 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God "hath remembered" her iniquities.

An interesting topic and is a great study in my view.

 

[TomL]

ok I think you, me and tom should play 9 holes to see who wins and who is right

I have a terrible slice

I can make the ball function like a boomerang

 

[TomL]

What if "Time" itself is a created realm. Created by the God of Scriptures. Since everything in our physical existence is experienced through the prism of time, everything has a beginning and an end. That is the one constant within the realm of Time. But it is said that God and His Son has no beginning and no end. So if God created Time, He would know the end of time from the beginning of time. Like a globe in His Hand. Since He knows the beginning of time, from the end of time, in His Realm, everything within the realm of time has already happened.

He can look into what Time calls the future, because in His Realm it has already happened. He can therefore declare the end from the very beginning. It is written that at some point, Time itself will END, as it would have to end by its very existence.

Rev. 10: 5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,

6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

So does God know everything concerning what "WE" call past, present and future? How could HE not, if He also created the realm of Time?



A very interesting perspective. The English translation used the word "remember" as English word for the Hebrew "Zakar". The Hebrew Word meant "To Mark", "so as to be recognized". to remember, by implication "to mention". Other words to define "Zakar" are "make mention of", be mindful, recount, record, remember, make to be remembered, Bring (Call, come, keep, put) to (in) remembrance, still think on.

I did a quick search on the word "forget and forgotten". There is not one place in the Bible, that I can find, where it is written that God "forgets anything". He does say HE doesn't hold the past sins of men against them, under certain circumstances.

I could be wrong here, but I think when God says "And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more", HE means that their transgressions are no longer held against them. That God makes no more mention of them or is no longer mindful of them, nor does HE recount them in His Judgment.

Whereas the religious sects and businesses of this world, including the philosophies of the religious sects you mentioned, God has this to say.

Rev. 18: 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God "hath remembered" her iniquities.

An interesting topic and is a great study in my view.

Revelation 10:6–7 (KJV 1900) — 6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: 7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

in context it just refers to the time the mystery of God is finished

read the esv

Revelation 10:6–7 (ESV) — 6 and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, the earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it, that there would be no more delay, 7 but that in the days of the trumpet call to be sounded by the seventh angel, the mystery of God would be fulfilled, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.

orv

Revelation 10:6–7 (NIV) — 6 And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, “There will be no more delay! 7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

Revelation 10:6–7 (UASV) — 6 and swore by the one who lives to the ages of the ages, who created heaven and the things in it, and the earth and the things in it, and the sea and the things in it, “There will be no more delay, 7 but that in the days when the seventh angel is about to blow his trumpet, the mystery of God would be finished, just as he declared good news to his own slaves the prophets.”

Revelation 10:6–7 (NASB 2020) — 6 and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, WHO CREATED HEAVEN AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE EARTH AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE SEA AND THE THINGS IN IT, that there will no longer be a delay, 7 but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He announced to His servants the prophets.

 

[Studyman]

Revelation 10:6–7 (KJV 1900) — 6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: 7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

in context it just refers to the time the mystery of God is finished

read the esv

Revelation 10:6–7 (ESV) — 6 and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, the earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it, that there would be no more delay, 7 but that in the days of the trumpet call to be sounded by the seventh angel, the mystery of God would be fulfilled, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.

orv

Revelation 10:6–7 (NIV) — 6 And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, “There will be no more delay! 7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

Revelation 10:6–7 (UASV) — 6 and swore by the one who lives to the ages of the ages, who created heaven and the things in it, and the earth and the things in it, and the sea and the things in it, “There will be no more delay, 7 but that in the days when the seventh angel is about to blow his trumpet, the mystery of God would be finished, just as he declared good news to his own slaves the prophets.”

Revelation 10:6–7 (NASB 2020) — 6 and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, WHO CREATED HEAVEN AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE EARTH AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE SEA AND THE THINGS IN IT, that there will no longer be a delay, 7 but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He announced to His servants the prophets.

Yes, there are several translations which translate the phrase, "no more delay". But my understanding is based on the Scriptures as a whole. All these translations say "In the Beginning God created the heavens and earth". They also say "Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever. They also say God declares or makes known or sees the end from the beginning.

This means God and His Son, the Holy One of Israel who God sent, existed before the creation of the planets, solar system, and the earth. And their lives are not subject to "Time". And they can see the end of "ALL" Life in their creation, from the beginning of all life in "their creation".

When a person is sleeping, there is no consciousness of time. When a person is put under for surgery, when they wake, they have no idea how much time has passed. People in a coma can be asleep for years, and wake and have no idea of how much time passed.

I asked the question, "what if God created time", but it's clear you are not interested. And it doesn't really matter to flesh and blood anyway, because as long as mortality exists, time has to exist as well.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes, there are several translations which translate the phrase, "no more delay". But my understanding is based on the Scriptures as a whole. All these translations say "In the Beginning God created the heavens and earth". They also say "Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever. They also say God declares or makes known or sees the end from the beginning.

This means God and His Son, the Holy One of Israel who God sent, existed before the creation of the planets, solar system, and the earth. And their lives are not subject to "Time". And they can see the end of "ALL" Life in their creation, from the beginning of all life in "their creation".

When a person is sleeping, there is no consciousness of time. When a person is put under for surgery, when they wake, they have no idea how much time has passed. People in a coma can be asleep for years, and wake and have no idea of how much time passed.

I asked the question, "what if God created time", but it's clear you are not interested. And it doesn't really matter to flesh and blood anyway, because as long as mortality exists, time has to exist as well.

Short answer... The issue is with the Latin manuscripts that influenced several early modern English editions of the Scriptures concerning the quote you're referencing from Revelation concerning time ending.

Even doctrinally speaking, no one actually applies this verse relative to the absolute end of this world. I don't have all my references in front of me at the moment but it a good question to debate. Thanks

 

[Presby02]

Dodging once again I see

Duh

fa·tal·ism
[ˈfādlˌizəm]
noun

1. the belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable

Are you going to claim God's determinations lack causality?

Are you going to deny you have claimed God is the ultimate cause off all things


Notice once again readers he does not answer

The fact you did not answer shows you lost again and are dodging

but to answer your question causation by either naturalistic or theistic causes depending on one's belief system

What excuse will you now offer for your continual dodging?

Still nothing about causation in fatalism. Your cherry picked definition does nor provide one and neither do you. If your claiming there is then you need to show what it is. I'm still listening.

The topic is fatalism. Stay focused

 

[TomL]

Still nothing about causation in fatalism. Your cherry picked definition does nor provide one and neither do you. If your claiming there is then you need to show what it is. I'm still listening.

The topic is fatalism. Stay focused

See Preby02 run. Run Presby02 run

Dodging once again I see

Duh

fa·tal·ism
[ˈfādlˌizəm]
noun

1. the belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable

Are you going to claim God's determinations lack causality?

Are you going to deny you have claimed God is the ultimate cause off all things


Notice once again readers he does not answer

The fact you did not answer shows you lost again and are dodging

but to answer your question causation by either naturalistic or theistic causes depending on one's belief system

What excuse will you now offer for your continual dodging?

 

[Presby02]

See Preby02 run. Run Presby02 run

Dodging once again I see

Duh

fa·tal·ism
[ˈfādlˌizəm]
noun

1. the belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable

Are you going to claim God's determinations lack causality?

Are you going to deny you have claimed God is the ultimate cause off all things


Notice once again readers he does not answer

The fact you did not answer shows you lost again and are dodging

but to answer your question causation by either naturalistic or theistic causes depending on one's belief system

What excuse will you now offer for your continual dodging?

Delusional.

The question is causation in fatalism. The topic. God is not tge topic.

So does fatalism have causation Tom? Speaking if running and dodging.

 

[TomL]

Yes, there are several translations which translate the phrase, "no more delay". But my understanding is based on the Scriptures as a whole. All these translations say "In the Beginning God created the heavens and earth". They also say "Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever. They also say God declares or makes known or sees the end from the beginning.

The plain fact is the verse had nothing at all to with time as a creation. There are in fact no verses which state God is timeless

This means God and His Son, the Holy One of Israel who God sent, existed before the creation of the planets, solar system, and the earth. And their lives are not subject to "Time". And they can see the end of "ALL" Life in their creation, from the beginning of all life in "their creation".

That is an assumption

The fact is God experienced sequence when he created and thus time

When a person is sleeping, there is no consciousness of time. When a person is put under for surgery, when they wake, they have no idea how much time has passed. People in a coma can be asleep for years, and wake and have no idea of how much time passed.

God was not sleeping before creation

 

[TomL]

Delusional.

The question is causation in fatalism. The topic. God is not tge topic.

So does fatalism have causation Tom? Speaking if running and dodging.

fa·tal·ism
[ˈfādlˌizəm]
noun

1. the belief that all events are predetermined and therefore inevitable

Are you going to claim God's determinations lack causality?

Are you going to deny you have claimed God is the ultimate cause off all things


Notice once again readers he does not answer

The fact you did not answer shows you lost again and are dodging

but to answer your question causation by either naturalistic or theistic causes depending on one's belief system

What excuse will you now offer for your continual dodging?

 

[Studyman]

The plain fact is the verse had nothing at all to with time as a creation. There are in fact no verses which state God is timeless







That is an assumption

The fact is God experienced sequence when he created and thus time




God was not sleeping before creation

LOL. You read my post, then surmised or interpreted it to mean that I'm saying God was sleeping before creation?

That says it all right there.