No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

[TomL]

Again the resurrection of Christ causes regeneration which hope and faith result from the Gospel

You ignored this

The word is sufficient and Faith comes from the word

Romans 10:17 (LEB) — 17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word about Christ.

John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

2 Timothy 3:15 (LEB) — 15 and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

Acts 11:14 (LEB) — 14 who will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’

 

[JLB]

No Judas was the son of perdition, chosen for that role.

Nope.

Judas was chosen to reign and rule with Christ and the other apostles in the age to come.

So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matthew 19:28


Judas chose to betray Christ for 30 pieces of silver.


When we choose God’s will then we will see life.

When we choose our own will then we will see eternal death.


And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.
Hebrews 5:9


Eternal salvation is for those who obey Him.

 

[JLB]

I've been over this with you for the past decade

Please explain to us so we can know how an unsaved person becomes saved?

 

[brightfame52]

Given to those who believe however

Given to the dead in sin and unbelief

 

[brightfame52]

You ignored this

I havent ignored anything, yet regeneration comes from the resurrection of Christ, so all for whom He died and rose again will be regenerated, if not then the resurrection of Christ didnt happen.

 

[brightfame52]

Nope.

Yes he was, the son of perdition is lost, he was always lost, b4 he was born, Jesus said it would have been better for him to never had been born Matt 26 24

The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

 

[brightfame52]

Please explain to us so we can know how an unsaved person becomes saved?

Ive been explaining things to you for over a decade

 

[TomL]

I havent ignored anything, yet regeneration comes from the resurrection of Christ, so all for whom He died and rose again will be regenerated, if not then the resurrection of Christ didnt happen.

Yes you did

You ignored this

The word is sufficient and Faith comes from the word

Romans 10:17 (LEB) — 17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word about Christ.

John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

2 Timothy 3:15 (LEB) — 15 and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

Acts 11:14 (LEB) — 14 who will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’

You also ignored the fact unbelievers are not given life.


Those who do not believe will not see life



John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.



John 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.



Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.



John 8:24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”



1 John 5:12 The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.



1 John 5:10–13 (The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. The one who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning his Son.) And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.



So scripture refutes Calvinism’s belief that unbelievers may be given life so that they may believe

 

[brightfame52]

Wonder if The Father doesn't draw a person to believe in Christ ? Does that person have the ability to believe in Christ with their own freewill ? 14

 

[TomL]

Given to the dead in sin and unbelief

Nope. Life, regeneration is given to those who believe


Those who do not believe will not see life



John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.



John 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.



Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.



John 8:24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”



1 John 5:12 The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.



1 John 5:10–13 (The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. The one who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning his Son.) And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.



So scripture refutes Calvinism’s belief that unbelievers may be given life so that they may believe

 

[brightfame52]

Yes you did

No I didn't, I agree with those verses, you avoiding my post

 

[TomL]

Given to the dead in sin and unbelief

Life is given to those who believe according to scripture

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Given to the dead in sin and unbelief

Nope. Life, regeneration is given to those who believe


Those who do not believe will not see life



John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.



John 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.



Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be...

• TomL

 

[brightfame52]

Nope. Life, regeneration is given to those who believe

It's given to the spiritual dead Eph 2 5

Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;

 

[TomL]

No I didn't, I agree with those verses, you avoiding my post

Yeah you do ignore much

The word is sufficient and Faith comes from the word

Romans 10:17 (LEB) — 17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word about Christ.

John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

2 Timothy 3:15 (LEB) — 15 and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

Acts 11:14 (LEB) — 14 who will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’


Your doctrine of total inability makes the doctrine of the Lord powerless.

You also ignored the fact unbelievers are not given life.


Those who do not believe will not see life



John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.



John 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.



Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.



John 8:24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”



1 John 5:12 The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.



1 John 5:10–13 (The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. The one who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning his Son.) And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

That you very much ignore.

 

[TomL]

It's given to the spiritual dead Eph 2 5

Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;

Faith precedes the giving of life

John 3:14–15 (NASB95) — 14 “As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; 15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.

John 5:24 (LEB) — 24 Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

John 6:40 (LEB) — 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks at the Son and believes in him would have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

John 6:47 (LEB) — 47 Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes has eternal life.

John 11:25 (LEB) — 25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me, even if he dies, will live,

John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

 

[brightfame52]

Yeah you do ignore much

I'm in agreement with those verses but you're dodging my point

 

[brightfame52]

Faith precedes the giving of life

Impossible, faith comes with the newbirth by Christ resurrection. A person doesn't cause Christ resurrection from the dead.

 

[TomL]

Impossible, faith comes with the newbirth by Christ resurrection. A person doesn't cause Christ resurrection from the dead.

Scripture is contrary to your claim

As Faith precedes the giving of life

John 3:14–15 (NASB95) — 14 “As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; 15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.

John 5:24 (LEB) — 24 Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

John 6:40 (LEB) — 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks at the Son and believes in him would have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

John 6:47 (LEB) — 47 Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes has eternal life.

John 11:25 (LEB) — 25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me, even if he dies, will live,

John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

and you have just ignored scripture

 

[TomL]

I'm in agreement with those verses but you're dodging my point

No, you are not. You hold, man, cannot believe the gospel.

The word is sufficient and Faith comes from the word

Romans 10:17 (LEB) — 17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word about Christ.

John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

2 Timothy 3:15 (LEB) — 15 and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

Acts 11:14 (LEB) — 14 who will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’


Your doctrine of total inability makes the doctrine of the Lord powerless.

You also ignored the fact unbelievers are not given life.


Those who do not believe will not see life



John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.



John 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.



Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.



John 8:24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”



1 John 5:12 The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.



1 John 5:10–13 (The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. The one who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning his Son.) And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

That you very much ignore.

 

[brightfame52]

Scripture is contrary to your claim

No it's not a person is regenerated through the resurrection of Christ while they're dead in sin. In fact they were resurrected with Christ when Christ resurrected from the dead they were in Union with him Ephesians 2:6.