brightfame52
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It's true but you unfortunately don't have understanding
No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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brightfame52
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Before drawing regeneration man is dead in sin and unbelief and can't believe in Christ
Regeneration-being born of God depends on faith
John 1:12–13But as many as received him—to those who believe in his name—he gave to them authority to become children of God, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a husband, but of God.
1 Peter 1:21–23 (LEB) — 21 who through him are believing in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. 22 Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for sincere brotherly love, love one another fervently from the heart, 23 because you have been born again, not from perishable seed but imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.
James 1:18By his will he gave birth to us through the message of truth, so that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures.
1 John 5:1Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been fathered by God, and everyone who loves the father also loves the child fathered by him.
You ignored the scripture
Were it true
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.
John 8:24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”
1 John 5:12 The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
1 John 5:10–13 (The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. The one who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning his Son.) And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.
You would see unbelievers are not given life.
Even though it is obvious that believing in something is an involuntary response, the Bible urges us to believe in Christ. Yet paradoxically, the Bible also teaches that God gives us the faith to believe in Him. The answer to the question, “Can I choose to believe in Christ in order to have eternal life?” is a resounding Yes!
For those who believe
Gal 3:26For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,
1 John 5:1Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been fathered by God, and everyone who loves the father also loves the child fathered by him.
brightfame52
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Actually Faith depends on having been born again. Believing is a evidence of regeneration.
brightfame52
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You don't have understanding
brightfame52
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The resurrection of Jesus Christ causes faith
The word is sufficient and Faith comes from the word
Romans 10:17 (LEB) — 17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word about Christ.
John 20:31 (LEB) — 31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
2 Timothy 3:15 (LEB) — 15 and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
Acts 11:14 (LEB) — 14 who will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’
Funny because it is you who has ignored the scripture.
Which plainly notes those who do not believe are not made alive
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.
John 8:24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”
1 John 5:12 The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
1 John 5:10–13 (The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. The one who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning his Son.) And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.
You have failed to understand unbelievers are not given life.
Further
To claim that regeneration precedes faith, is to claim that God can bestow life apart from the blood of His Son. It is to claim that God gives life prior to the removal of sin. Since it is sin that causes spiritual death, our sin must first be removed through Christ’s blood before God can give us life. As long as sin remains, death remains. If God can bestow life (regenerate) apart from the the application of Christ’s blood, then the atonement becomes less than the necessary means by which a holy God reconciles sinners to himself
Not if you read scripture
Regeneration-being born of God depends on faith
John 1:12–13 But as many as received him—to those who believe in his name—he gave to them authority to become children of God, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a husband, but of God.
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,
James 1:18 By his will he gave birth to us through the message of truth, so that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures.
FreeInChrist
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Yes!!!
FreeInChrist
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If one does not believe there was a resurrection faith cannot be caued.
You say
Peter, one of Jesus' closest disciples, had faith in Jesus before his crucifixion, although his understanding and reliance on that faith were challenged during difficult times. Other disciples, like John and James, also demonstrated faith in Jesus throughout his ministry, believing him to be the Messiah.
Before the resurrection, individuals like the apostles, including Thomas, had faith in Jesus, although their understanding of his mission and the nature of his resurrection evolved significantly after his death. Additionally, figures such as John the Baptist and many followers who believed in Jesus' teachings also demonstrated faith in him prior to the resurrection
The thief on the cross had faith in him.
Matt 9: And suddenly, a woman who had a flow of blood for twelve years came from behind and touched the hem of His garment. 21 For she said to herself, “If only I may touch His garment, I shall be made well.” 22 But Jesus turned around, and when He saw her He said, “Be of good cheer, daughter; your faith has made you well.” And the woman was made well from that hour.
Now view the following that occurred while Jesus was alive and tell me they did not have faith.....
The people he healed... those that he fed.... all had faith before the resurrection
For certain Mary did or she would not have asked him to change water into wine.
| # | Miracle | Matthew | Mark | Luke | John |
| 1 | Jesus Turns Water into Wine at the Wedding in Cana | 2:1-11 | |||
| 2 | Jesus Heals an Official’s Son at Capernaum in Galilee | 4:43-54 | |||
| 3 | Jesus Drives Out an Evil Spirit From a Man in Capernaum | 1:21-27 | 4:31-36 | ||
| 4 | Jesus Heals Peter’s Mother-in-Law Sick With Fever | 8:14-15 | 1:29-31 | 4:38-39 | |
| 5 | Jesus Heals Many Sick and Oppressed at Evening | 8:16-17 | 1:32-34 | 4:40-41 | |
| 6 | First Miraculous Catch of Fish on the Lake of Gennesaret | 5:1-11 | |||
| 7 | Jesus Cleanses a Man With Leprosy | 8:1-4 | 1:40-45 | 5:12-14 | |
| 8 | Jesus Heals a Centurion’s Paralyzed Servant in Capernaum | 8:5-13 | 7:1-10 | ||
| 9 | Jesus Heals a Paralytic Who Was Let Down From the Roof | 9:1-8 | 2:1-12 | 5:17-26 | |
| 10 | Jesus Heals a Man’s Withered Hand on the Sabbath | 12:9-14 | 3:1-6 | 6:6-11 | |
| 11 | Jesus Raises a Widow’s Son From the Dead in Nain | 7:11-17 | |||
| 12 | Jesus Calms a Storm on the Sea | 8:23-27 | 4:35-41 | 8:22-25 | |
| 13 | Jesus Casts Demons into a Herd of Pigs | 8:28-33 | 5:1-20 | 8:26-39 | |
| 14 | Jesus Heals a Woman in the Crowd With an Issue of Blood | 9:20-22 | 5:25-34 | 8:42-48 | |
| 15 | Jesus Raises Jairus’ Daughter Back to Life | 9:18, 23-26 | 5:21-24, 35-43 | 8:40-42, 49-56 | |
| 16 | Jesus Heals Two Blind Men | 9:27-31 | |||
| 17 | Jesus Heals a Man Who Was Unable to Speak | 9:32-34 | |||
| 18 | Jesus Heals an Invalid at Bethesda | 5:1-15 | |||
| 19 | Jesus Feeds 5,000 Plus Women and Children | 14:13-21 | 6:30-44 | 9:10-17 | 6:1-15 |
| 20 | Jesus Walks on Water | 14:22-33 | 6:45-52 | 6:16-21 | |
| 21 | Jesus Heals Many Sick in Gennesaret as They Touch His Garment | 14:34-36 | 6:53-56 | ||
| 22 | Jesus Heals a Gentile Woman’s Demon-Possessed Daughter | 15:21-28 | 7:24-30 | ||
| 23 | Jesus Heals a Deaf and Dumb Man | 7:31-37 | |||
| 24 | Jesus Feeds 4,000 Plus Women and Children | 15:32-39 | 8:1-13 | ||
| 25 | Jesus Heals a Blind Man at Bethsaida | 8:22-26 | |||
| 26 | Jesus Heals a Man Born Blind by Spitting in His Eyes | 9:1-12 | |||
| 27 | Jesus Heals a Boy With an Unclean Spirit | 17:14-20 | 9:14-29 | 9:37-43 | |
| 28 | Miraculous Temple Tax in a Fish’s Mouth | 17:24-27 | |||
| 29 | Jesus Heals a Blind, Mute Demoniac | 12:22-23 | 11:14-23 | ||
| 30 | Jesus Heals a Woman Who Had Been Crippled for 18 Years | 13:10-17 | |||
| 31 | Jesus Heals a Man With Dropsy on the Sabbath | 14:1-6 | |||
| 32 | Jesus Cleanses Ten Lepers on the Way to Jerusalem | 17:11-19 | |||
| 33 | Jesus Raises Lazarus from the Dead in Bethany | 11:1-45 | |||
| 34 | Jesus Restores Sight to Bartimaeus in Jericho | 20:29-34 | 10:46-52 | 18:35-43 | |
| 35 | Jesus Withers the Fig Tree on the Road From Bethany | 21:18:22 | 11:12-14 | ||
| 36 | Jesus Heals a Servant’s Severed Ear While He Is Being Arrested | 22:50-51 | |||
| 37 | The Second Miraculous Catch of Fish at the Sea of Tiberias | 21:4-11 |
brightfame52
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Again the resurrection of Christ causes regeneration which hope and faith result from the Gospel
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brightfame52
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Regeneration is from the resurrection of Christ
brightfame52
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It was caused by regeneration which was caused by Christ resurrection. Christ was the resurrection and the life B4 He died as He stated here Jn 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: present tense
Given to those who believe however
Those who do not believe will not see life
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.
John 8:24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”
1 John 5:12 The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
1 John 5:10–13 (The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. The one who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning his Son.) And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.
So scripture refutes Calvinism’s belief that unbelievers may be given life so that they may believe
