Muhammad is not Equal to Jesus But Jesus is Equal to Allah!

[Behold]

Thanks.

I wonder if that’s what other members of this forum think the reason is too. Maybe some of them will chime in and let me know.

Ok, let them "chime".

And before they do, let me show you something else. @Matthias

= The Devil, is alive.
He has had thousands of years to read the Torah, study it, and the NT.

So, the Devil is the "father of Lies", and He is the "author of Confusion"..

Therefore, His ministry is to create lies as truth, to deceive., and "many are deceived thereby", as the Devil "blinds the mind".

A blinded mind, is a "deceived person".

How?
He creates false truth that seems true, and billions believe it.

How...

Theology.
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New Bibles
Commentaries
Christian forums
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How does He do this?

"/The devils ministers".......do it.

2 Corinthians 14-15

 

[Matthias]

Ok, let them "chime".

And before they do, let me show you something else. @Matthias

= The Devil, is alive.
He has had thousands of years to read the Torah, study it, and the NT.

So, the Devil is the "father of Lies", and He is the "author of Confusion"..

Therefore, His ministry is to create lies as truth, to deceive., and "many are deceived thereby", as the Devil "blinds the mind".

A blinded mind, is a "deceived person".

How?
He creates false truth that seems true, and billions believe it.

How...

Theology.
Media
New Bibles
Commentaries
Christian forums
Denominations

How does He do this?

"/The devils ministers".......do it.

2 Corinthians 14-15

Would you say then that the translators who produce Bibles which don’t capitalize, the preachers who use those translations and the people who read them are all deceived by the devil?

I assume that you’re opposed to giving Muslims those translations to read.

 

[Johann]

Now...Here is Allah as a Flag., @Johann

and notice, in this Flag, you have an "infideal" who is blindfolded and forced to KNEEL before "Allah" on this Flag.
And they'll have you do it as well, if some of these fanatics capture you..
And then they'll saw off your head, if you wont "recant Christ and worship Allah", and they'll film your head being sawed off, using their I-Phones.
And they'll take this MOVIE home, and watch in on their Big Screen TV's, with their wife and kids.

So you do a search on Google images? That your source of information?

I have already shown you apologetic Muslim scholars debunking your claim Allah is a "moon-god" and not from Muslim scholars only.
A Muslim cannot and should not ridicule the religious beliefs of others, no matter how much they disagree with them.

God says in the Quran: "And insult not those whom they worship besides God, lest they insult God wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fair-seeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do". Quran, 6:108

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[Behold]

Would you say then that the translators who produce Bibles which don’t capitalize, the preachers who use those translations and the people who read them are all deceived by the devil?

Thoes bible translators are deceived by the devil.

The preachers who use , say, a NIV, are just not paying attention to spiritual warfare, and are not true students of the word...nor can they teach on it... and they are probably more concerned with "getting more members" "to join" so that they can "build a bigger box", as their ego demands this.... of course.

And the reason that a believer, is reading what i teach, that is 1950 yr old Pauline Theology that is "wow, what is that stuff", never heard that"..

Is because of their denomination, and their commentaries that are JUNK.

That's the reality.

See, believers are the end product of what they have been taught to believe., and if this is, "doctrines of devils", then that's where you find their theology, and that is where you find them...

 

[Behold]

So you do a search on Google images? That your source of information?

You've shown me that you live on video chat sites and inside other men's teaching.
Nothing new.
You're sources, are always, "suspect", as your theology proves that you are not correct.

So, i showed you the literal Bedouin "allah".
And i previously explained.

He is the "moon" God.
He is the very one that Muhammed's tribe picked from 360 "godz".

You have not researched this out, obviously.

So, nothing new.

 

[Matthias]

Thoes bible translators are deceived by the devil.

The preachers who use , say, a NIV, are just not paying attention to spiritual warfare, and are not true students of the word...nor can they teach on it... and they are probably more concerned with "getting more members" "to join" so that they can "build a bigger box", as their ego demands this.... of course.

And the reason that a believer, is reading what i teach, that is 1950 yr old Pauline Theology that is "wow, what is that stuff", never heard that"..

Is because of their denomination, and their commentaries that are JUNK.

That's the reality.

See, believers are the end product of what they have been taught to believe., and if this is, "doctrines of devils", then that's where you find their theology, and that is where you find them...

That all sounds consistent to me.

If we accept that what you’ve said is correct, wouldn’t we have to conclude that, since the vast majority of Christians use and rely on those translations, the vast majority of Christians are deceived by the devil?

What must the Muslims think of that?

 

[Behold]

So you do a search on Google images? That your source of information?

@Johann

I know that above all other things on a forum, you love cut and paste.

So, i will cut and paste just for you.. as maybe this can help you understand that Islamic Flag and that Devil's religion..
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'"""""Everywhere in the ancient world, the symbol of the crescent moon can be found on seal impressions, steles, pottery, amulets, clay tablets, cylinders, weights, earrings, necklaces, wall murals, etc. In Tell-el-Obeid, a copper calf was found with a crescent moon on its forehead. An idol with the body of a bull and the head of man has a crescent moon inlaid on its forehead with shells. In Ur, the Stela of Ur-Nammu has the crescent symbol placed at the top of the register of gods because the Moon-god was the head of the gods. Even bread was baked in the form of a crescent as an act of devotion to the Moon-god. The Ur of the Chaldees was so devoted to the Moon-god that it was sometimes called Nannar in tablets from that time period. A temple of the Moon-god has been excavated in Ur by Sir Leonard Woolley. He dug up many examples of moon worship in Ur and these are displayed in the British Museum to this day.

Harran was likewise noted for its devotion to the Moon-god. In the 1950's a major temple to the Moon-god was excavated at Hazer in Palestine. Two idols of the moon god were found. Each was a stature of a man sitting upon a throne with a crescent moon carved on his chest . The accompanying inscriptions make it clear that these were idols of the Moon-god. Several smaller statues were also found which were identified by their inscriptions as the "daughters" of the Moon-god. What about Arabia? As pointed out by Prof. Coon, "Muslims are notoriously loath to preserve traditions of earlier paganism and like to garble what pre-Islamic history they permit to survive in anachronistic terms." During the nineteenth century, Amaud, Halevy and Glaser went to Southern Arabia and dug up thousands of Sabean, Minaean, and Qatabanian inscriptions which were subsequently translated. In the 1940's, the archeologists G. Caton Thompson and Carleton S. Coon made some amazing discoveries in Arabia. During the 1950's, Wendell Phillips, W.F. Albright, Richard Bower and others excavated sites at Qataban, Timna, and Marib (the ancient capital of Sheba). Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered.

The three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them. The archeological evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion of Arabia was the cult of the Moon-god.In Old Testament times, Nabonidus (555-539 BC), the last king of Babylon, built Tayma, Arabia as a center of Moon-god worship. Segall stated, "South Arabia's stellar religion has always been dominated by the Moon-god in various variations." Many scholars have also noticed that the Moon-god's name "Sin" is a part of such Arabic words as "Sinai," the "wilderness of Sin," etc. When the popularity of the Moon-god waned elsewhere, the Arabs remained true to their conviction that the Moon-god was the greatest of all gods. While they worshipped 360 gods at the Kabah in Mecca, the Moon-god was the chief deity. = Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the Moon-god......This is what made it the most sacred site of Arabian paganism.""""

 

[Behold]

That all sounds consistent to me.

If we accept that what you’ve said is correct, wouldn’t we have to conclude that, since the vast majority of Christians use and rely on those translations, the vast majority of Christians are deceived by the devil?

A false bible, such as the NIV< does not deceive you., per say.
What is does is deny you, ALL of God's word.
So, you end up with a Theological deficit., spiritually malnourished.

See that?

Why does the Devil do it that way?

A.) "My people are DESTROYED for lack of Knowledge".

So, when you can't get the LIGHT< you can't walk in it.

This is why you have to realize that the word of God, matters the most of all, and if the bible is junk, you are being starved, spiritually, and theologically.

 

[Matthias]

A false bible, such as the NIV< does not deceive you., per say.
What is does is deny you, ALL of God's word.
So, you end up with a Theological deficit., spiritually malnourished.

See that?

Why does the Devil do it that way?

A.) "My people are DESTROYED for lack of Knowledge".

So, when you can't get the LIGHT< you can't walk in it.

This is why you have to realize that the word of God, matters the most of all, and if the bible is junk, you are being starved, spiritually, and theologically.

Muslims whom I’ve spoken with about this particular issue have frequently pointed to the translations which don’t capitalize. They were aware of the translations that do capitalize and they used the inconsistency to criticize Christianity in general, to criticize those translations / translators that do capitalize while applauding those translations / translators that don’t capitalize.

 

[Behold]

Muslims whom I’ve spoken with about this particular issue have frequently pointed to the translations which don’t capitalize. They were aware of the translations that do capitalize and they used the inconsistency to criticize Christianity in general, to criticize those translations / translators that do capitalize while applauding those translations / translators that don’t capitalize.

It comes down to how the Translators approach the bible, and how well trained they are, regarding the "extant" texts.

The Holy bible, is the word, of God, whereas Jesus manifested in the flesh is the Word....

So, these things clarify, and help us to discern differences, which is how we are taught by the Spirit to discern.

"Discernment" is the ability to detect critical differences.

Spiritual discernment is the supernatural ability to discern these in Life and regarding the word of God.

 

[Johann]

at the Kabah in Mecca, the Moon-god was the chief deity. = Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the Moon-god......This is what made it the most sacred site of Arabian paganism.""""

Question
I am a non-Muslim who is very much interested in Islam. I have been trying to do research on my own.
However, I came upon some information that I found rather disturbing.
It is regarding the Kaaba and the origin of Islam. I was told that Abraham and Ishmael removed all the idols from the Kaaba, but there was one in particular who's name meant "diety". I read that this is where the name "Allah" came from and that this diety was the pagan Moon god.
His symbol is the crescent moon and Ramadhan is scheduled around lunar activity. I would like an answer to whether or not such a religion existed and is Islam really connected to this pagan practice?

Doubts of one who is interested in Islam - Islam Question & Answer

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[Behold]

Question
I am a non-Muslim who is very much interested in Islam. I have been trying to do research on my own.
However, I came upon some information that I found rather disturbing.
It is regarding the Kaaba and the origin of Islam. I was told that Abraham and Ishmael removed all the idols from the Kaaba, but there was one in particular who's name meant "diety". I read that this is where the name "Allah" came from and that this diety was the pagan Moon god.
His symbol is the crescent moon and Ramadhan is scheduled around lunar activity. I would like an answer to whether or not such a religion existed and is Islam really connected to this pagan practice?

Doubts of one who is interested in Islam - Islam Question & Answer

islamqa.info

What i posted is based on archeology and so forth.

So, Here is something else to consider..

Wikepedia, and current encyclopedias, are SCARED of Islam.
What i posted to you, was taken from the Encyclopedia Britannica for 80 yrs, before they took it all out, a couple of years ago....
They, those Editors..... are afraid to DIE, and they have been changing what they use to teach, that was DAMING to Muhammed's cult, so that now, its sweet and soft and confirming.
And that is 99% of what you find online now.
= Because people are scared of these Terrorists..., as that is what Terrorism does... It causes FEAR... It causes people to hide facts, to try to stay alive.

Its become very difficult in this world of "social justice" and "political correctness" and "islamic terrorism threats" to go and find anything on the WEB, that has not been "historically revised"... to reflect this type NONSENSE..

 

[Matthias]

It comes down to how the Translators approach the bible, and how well trained they are, regarding the "extant" texts.

The Holy bible, is the word, of God, whereas Jesus manifested in the flesh is the Word....

So, these things clarify, and help us to discern differences, which is how we are taught by the Spirit to discern.

"Discernment" is the ability to detect critical differences.

Spiritual discernment is the supernatural ability to discern these in Life and regarding the word of God.

To capitalize or not to capitalize. That is the question. * Shoutout to Shakespeare *

So it is the preference, the bias, of the translator which leads him or her to capitalize or not to capitalize.

 

[Johann]

Muslims whom I’ve spoken with about this particular issue have frequently pointed to the translations which don’t capitalize. They were aware of the translations that do capitalize and they used the inconsistency to criticize Christianity in general, to criticize those translations / translators that do capitalize while applauding those translations / translators that don’t capitalize.

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[Matthias]

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Thanks. I don’t come to forums to watch two and a half hour videos. I’ve also mentioned elsewhere that I stay away from debates.

Do you use only translations which capitalize for your personal reading and / or with conversations with Muslims?

 

[Matthias]

Have you really read the Quran @Johann?

Around 15 years or so ago I was in a Muslim-owned bookstore in Atlanta with a Muslim co-worker of mine at the time. While we were there my co-worker ran into some Muslim friends. They had been doing something which he didn’t approve of and he gave them a dressing-down over the matter. One of his friends asked him who I was and what I was doing there. He told them.

I was in an awkward situation.

I told the Muslim who asked about me that I had read the Quran and wondered if he might answer a question I had about something I had read in a particular surah. He and his friends all laughed. My Muslim co-worker glared at them and they stopped laughing.

My co-worker told me later that I had made a mistake. The mistake was me saying that I had read the Quran. What I had actually read was an English translation of the Quran. My co-worker explained that unless the Quran is read in Arabic, the Quran has not been read.

 

[Behold]

To capitalize or not to capitalize. That is the question. * Shoutout to Shakespeare *

So it is the preference, the bias, of the translator which leads him or her to capitalize or not to capitalize.

No.
Its the "extant" text they used.

See there are about 30 completed NT in "greek". (K,Greek).

A few are used to make "new" bibles.

So, that + the Translators Theological prejudice, that is connected to His, Their, theology., is the "new" bible.

Here is how that works.
If Mormons, created a "new bible", then its going to be Mormonized.
If Catholics..
If, insert.. ___________= your denomination.

So, what you have to do, as i train my students to understand... is you can't just believe, it all, without drilling down deeply.
And that includes the TEACHERS, the MINISTERS< the COMMENTARIES, the BIBLES.

You have to find out what each of them has as their core theology, and from that discovery, you find out why their work is slanted.. @Matthias

See,

Here is what that means..

People come here, trained by their teacher, which is their mama, their daddy, their Pope, their CULT....their COMMENTARIES< their online SITE, etc.

You have to find out their core teacher, and once you do, you know their Theology., as they are a TOOL created to produce it.

This is why i keep telling this world, to GO TO PAUL, as He is the Teacher, of us all., working in conjunction with the HOLY Spirit.

"follow ME, as i follow Christ".....in Doctrine, in Discipleship., Paul told you, Reader.

Start with

Hebrews 13:9

Romans 3:21-28

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 3:17

Romans 4:8

These have to be mastered, and not just read through.

 

[Johann]

Have you really read the Quran @Johann?

Around 15 years or so ago I was in a Muslim-owned bookstore in Atlanta with a Muslim co-worker of mine at the time. While we were there my co-worker ran into some Muslim friends. They had been doing something which he didn’t approve of and he gave them a dressing-down over the matter. One of his friends asked him who I was and what I was doing there. He told them.

I was in an awkward situation.

I told the Muslim who asked about me that I had read the Quran and wondered if he might answer a question I had about something I had read in a particular surah. He and his friends all laughed. My Muslim co-worker glared at them and they stopped laughing.

My co-worker told me later that I had made a mistake. The mistake was me saying that I had read the Quran. What I had actually read was an English translation of the Quran. My co-worker explained that unless the Quran is read in Arabic, the Quran has not been read.

Told you I have lived with Muslims for 15 years-didn't I?

A non-Muslim should not touch the Quran, but it is permissible for him to listen to the Quran on radio or TV and to read the translations of the meanings of the Quran.
Praise be to Allah.

The Glorious Quran should not be touched by anyone except those who are purified . Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, and in the Message of Muhammad) are impure.” [Al-Tawbah 9:28]

On this basis, the non-Muslim should not be permitted to touch the Quran, whether he is a Christian , a Jew, a Buddhist, a Hindu or anything else.

But it is permissible for him to listen to the Quran on radio or TV, or from tapes, and it is permissible for him to read the translations of the meanings of the Quran which are available in different languages.

And Allah knows best.

Secondly-



This is in regards to Question 'Reading Surat Ya-Sin in congregation on Friday nights '. Actually I am referring to the hadith you mentioned where the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Whoever reads one letter of the Book of Allah will have one hasanah (reward) for doing so, and every hasanah will be multiplied by 10. I do not say that Alif, lam, mim is one letter, but Alif is a letter, lam is a letter and mim is a letter.

I was wondering if this hadith was also true if one is reading the Quran in a different language (i.e. English translation) in order to actually understand what he is reading

Thank You, Allahu-Akbar
Summary of answer
There is no evidence that the person who reads the Quran translation will earn the reward of reading it in Arabic. But, if a person reads a Quran translation in order to understand the meaning and benefit from what the verses are saying, then he will be rewarded for doing this, and his reward is with Allah.

J.

 

[Johann]

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[Johann]

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