Mark 16:16~"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

[Doug Brents]

6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

Did Peter think the name of Jesus or did he speak the name of Jesus?

I didn't say you can't speak His name. I said you don't have to. Yes, Peter spoke His name in this instance, but that is not proof that He had to.
"Eutychus was overcome by sleep and fell down from the third floor, and was picked up dead. 10 But Paul went down and fell upon him, and after embracing him, he said, “Do not be troubled, for he is still alive.”"
Did Paul speak Jesus' name? No. Did he resurrect Eutychus through the power of the Holy Spirit? Yes.

 

[Truther]

I didn't say you can't speak His name. I said you don't have to. Yes, Peter spoke His name in this instance, but that is not proof that He had to.
"Eutychus was overcome by sleep and fell down from the third floor, and was picked up dead. 10 But Paul went down and fell upon him, and after embracing him, he said, “Do not be troubled, for he is still alive.”"
Did Paul speak Jesus' name? No. Did he resurrect Eutychus through the power of the Holy Spirit? Yes.

I would not speak his name either if I did not obey Acts 2:38. I don’t blame you at all.
To Acts skippers it’s definitely worth drawing swords about.

You could at least call him “son“ or “Christ” if you want to avoid “Jesus” at all costs.

 

[Truther]

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Say the name.

 

[Doug Brents]

I would not speak his name either if I did not obey Acts 2:38. I don’t blame you at all.
To Acts skippers it’s definitely worth drawing swords about.

You could at least call him “son“ or “Christ” if you want to avoid “Jesus” at all costs.

Take your accusations of infidelity to Jesus somewhere else. I am not an "Acts skipper" at all. It is one of the most important books in the Bible for understanding how the NT Church should function.

Jesus' name has TREMENDOUS power for me (whether I say His name or not), for He lives in me, and I walk with Him. Yet, I know many for whom His name has no power, because they do not walk with Him, and He does not live in them (like the sons of Sceva).

 

[Truther]

Take your accusations of infidelity to Jesus somewhere else. I am not an "Acts skipper" at all. It is one of the most important books in the Bible for understanding how the NT Church should function.

Jesus' name has TREMENDOUS power for me (whether I say His name or not), for He lives in me, and I walk with Him. Yet, I know many for whom His name has no power, because they do not walk with Him, and He does not live in them (like the sons of Sceva).

All persons that skip Acts 2:38 are Acts skippers and officially under the RCC.

She is the inventor of Acts skipping.

Acts skippers tell folks “don’t worry about it “.

Acts adherents tell folks “worry about it “..

Pick a side.

 

[Doug Brents]

All persons that skip Acts 2:38 are Acts skippers and officially under the RCC.

She is the inventor of Acts skipping.

Acts skippers tell folks “don’t worry about it “.

Acts adherents tell folks “worry about it “..

Pick a side.

When have I ever advocated for skipping Acts 2:38? Please show me where a post of mine even hinted at skipping any of Acts!

 

[Truther]

When have I ever advocated for skipping Acts 2:38? Please show me where a post of mine even hinted at skipping any of Acts!

You are insinuating that invoking the name of Jesus Christ during baptism is irrelevant.
That is the very definition of Acts skipping

 

[Doug Brents]

You are insinuating that invoking the name of Jesus Christ during baptism is irrelevant.
That is the very definition of Acts skipping

Show me the post where I said invoking His name in baptism was irrelevant. I did not ever say that invoking His name during baptism was irrelevant. I said that invoking His name in healing and casting out demons was not always necessary.

Baptism in Jesus name (or in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, which is the same since they are all the same God) is absolutely necessary to receive salvation.

 

[Red Baker]

The Father and Son are not holy, and they are are not spirits? Only one of the three is?

Amazing how this thread has degenerated into this! I would be happy to discuss this in another thread if someone could take this and start one, or find one that this would fit into.

In the beginning was God...period! The Lord Jesus said God is a Spirit,

John 4:24~"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

Deuteronomy 6:4~"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

1st Corinthians 8:6~"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

One God, who is a Spirit that inhabits eternity~always has, always will, that can never change~impossible.

This one God has chosen to manifest himself in three persons "only" according to each respective work in the salvation of God's elect.

Let us take this subject to its own thread and discuss this all importan truth.

In the meantime, Jesus Christ will be the only God anyone will ever see, see Him then you have seen God. He is the everlasting Father things! Isaiah 9:6

1st John 5:20~And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

 

[Truther]

Show me the post where I said invoking His name in baptism was irrelevant. I did not ever say that invoking His name during baptism was irrelevant. I said that invoking His name in healing and casting out demons was not always necessary.

Baptism in Jesus name (or in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, which is the same since they are all the same God) is absolutely necessary to receive salvation.

How can you say "I baptize you in the name of the son" without saying the name of Jesus?

 

[Truther]

Amazing how this thread has degenerated into this! I would be happy to discuss this in another thread if someone could take this and start one, or find one that this would fit into.

In the beginning was God...period! The Lord Jesus said God is a Spirit,

John 4:24~"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

Deuteronomy 6:4~"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"

1st Corinthians 8:6~"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

One God, who is a Spirit that inhabits eternity~always has, always will, that can never change~impossible.

This one God has chosen to manifest himself in three persons "only" according to each respective work in the salvation of God's elect.

Let us take this subject to its own thread and discuss this all importan truth.

In the meantime, Jesus Christ will be the only God anyone will ever see, see Him then you have seen God. He is the everlasting Father things! Isaiah 9:6

1st John 5:20~And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

God is A holy Spirit by definition.

There are not 3 holy Spirits.

If there is a trinity, there are 3 holy Spirits.

Don't believe me but believe Jesus...


24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[TomL]

God is A holy Spirit by definition.

There are not 3 holy Spirits.

If there is a trinity, there are 3 holy Spirits.

Don't believe me but believe Jesus...


24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

You do realize that Jesus is speaking of the Father

John 4:23–24 (KJV 1900) — 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[Red Baker]

God is A holy Spirit by definition.

There are not 3 holy Spirits.

If there is a trinity, there are 3 holy Spirits.

Don't believe me but believe Jesus...


24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Can you read with understanding? Where did I say there's three Spirits of the Godhead? That's a impossibility.

Can true Divinity be deprived or propagated? The very thought of this in a positive way is blasphemy against the God of the holy scriptures. What is real Divinity of the Most High God? The following attributes have ever been conceived as essential to it: Self-existence, Infinity, Independence, Omniscience, Omnipotence, Omnipresence, Immutability, eternal both ways, and Infinite in every way possible that is imaginable to the human mind.

If there is a trinity, there are 3 holy Spirits.

There is a trinity revealed to us only as far as their respective work in the redemption of God's elect.

2nd Corinthians 13:14~“The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen."​

 

[Doug Brents]

How can you say "I baptize you in the name of the son" without saying the name of Jesus?

There is only one Son (John 3:16, Eph 4:4-6, 1 Cor 8:6), and so invoking His title, "the Son", is the same as invoking His name (Yeshua/Jesus). So saying, "I baptize you in the name of the Son" is the same as baptizing in the name of Jesus or Yeshua.

Now, please show me where I ever claimed that invoking His name or title in baptism was unnecessary or irrelevant.

 

[Red Baker]

There is only one Son (John 3:16, Eph 4:4-6, 1 Cor 8:6), and so invoking His title, "the Son", is the same as invoking His name (Yeshua/Jesus). So saying, "I baptize you in the name of the Son" is the same as baptizing in the name of Jesus or Yeshua.

Now, please show me where I ever claimed that invoking His name or title in baptism was unnecessary or irrelevant.

Doug, he cannot show you, he's confused on this doctrine~He's a Jesus only person it seems to me~what little I have read thus far.

Jesus Only | Definition, Pentecostalism, History, Baptism, Trinity, & Facts | Britannica

Jesus Only is a movement of believers within Pentecostalism who hold that true baptism can only be “in the name of Jesus” rather than in the name of all three persons of the Trinity. A number of Christian churches deny the validity of baptisms done without the traditional Trinitarian invocation.

www.britannica.com

When we baptized folks, we say: "We baptized you in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, even in the name of Jesus Christ." All bases are covered ~ since in the Acts of the apostles and from Matthew 28, it seems all were used~maybe not at the same time, but we see where they were used differently, no certain pattern to follow, since salvation from sin and condemnation is not connected with water baptism~even though, there is a practical salvation that comes with being baptized~per Mark 16:16 as already explained back many posts ago.

 

[Doug Brents]

Doug, he cannot show you, he's confused on this doctrine~He's a Jesus only person it seems to me~what little I have read thus far.

When we baptized folks, we say: "We baptized you in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, even in the name of Jesus Christ." All bases are covered ~ since in the Acts of the apostles and from Matthew 28, it seems all were used~maybe not at the same time, but we see where they were used differently, no certain pattern to follow, since salvation from sin and condemnation is not connected with water baptism~even though, there is a practical salvation that comes with being baptized~per Mark 16:16 as already explained back many posts ago.

The only issue I have with your statement is that salvation from sin is not connected with water baptism, because Scripture says otherwise, as I have explained many times in previous posts.

 

[Truther]

You do realize that Jesus is speaking of the Father

John 4:23–24 (KJV 1900) — 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jesus was speaking of his father, which is God. You are the one that split him into three.
You are as Catholic as it comes.

 

[Truther]

Can you read with understanding? Where did I say there's three Spirits of the Godhead? That's a impossibility.

Can true Divinity be deprived or propagated? The very thought of this in a positive way is blasphemy against the God of the holy scriptures. What is real Divinity of the Most High God? The following attributes have ever been conceived as essential to it: Self-existence, Infinity, Independence, Omniscience, Omnipotence, Omnipresence, Immutability, eternal both ways, and Infinite in every way possible that is imaginable to the human mind.



There is a trinity revealed to us only as far as their respective work in the redemption of God's elect.

2nd Corinthians 13:14~“The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen."​

You are almost there with that last verse you posted. It is God inside the omnipresent man, Jesus, inside us, as the Holy Ghost.

 

[Truther]

There is only one Son (John 3:16, Eph 4:4-6, 1 Cor 8:6), and so invoking His title, "the Son", is the same as invoking His name (Yeshua/Jesus). So saying, "I baptize you in the name of the Son" is the same as baptizing in the name of Jesus or Yeshua.

Now, please show me where I ever claimed that invoking His name or title in baptism was unnecessary or irrelevant.

Sorry, there are over 3 billion human beings on planet earth right now with the title son. That is not what Jesus commanded to do in Matthew 28.

 

[Doug Brents]

Sorry, there are over 3 billion human beings on planet earth right now with the title son. That is not what Jesus commanded to do in Matthew 28.

There are many 'son's, but there is only one Son! It is not in the name of just any son that we are baptized, but in the name of THE SON! Jesus, the Son of God, is the only name by which anyone can and will be saved. If someone says to you, "Do you believe in the Son?" He is not asking if you believe there is a sun in the sky. He is not asking if you believe that there are male children of men all over the world. He is asking if you believe in Jesus, the Son of God, born to Mary, who died and was resurrected in the flesh. You know and understand that intent, I know and understand that intent, God knows and understands that intent. And that is exactly what Jesus said just before He ascended into Heaven: baptize in the name of the Father, of the Son (Jesus Himself), and of the Holy Spirit.