Truther
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Could it be that Phil 2 was speaking of a sinless man thinking it not robbery...?
Have we been bamboozled?
Mark 16:16~"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
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Have we been bamboozled?
civic
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That's JW doctrine.
Truther
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God became a man?
civic
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Yep. God the Son or the Son became man permanently.
To be our High Priest as Hebrews teaches us after He ascended He must remain a man. That's a qualification to be the High Priest is a male human.
Truther
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No, Acts 9.
JW's teach Jesus is not God, but Michael, but a little man, bodily, like you folks teach.
Truther
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God is human now?
Johann
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The man Christ Jesus
The phrase only here.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
the man. A straightforward reading of this text indicates that Jesus is still a man, even while He is now in heaven. The Jehovah’s Witness doctrine that Jesus Christ is the archangel Michael (1Th_4:16 note), and is no longer a man, directly contradicts this declaration of Paul that Jesus is still a man, not an angel (Heb_1:4-6; Heb_2:16), though now in heaven as our one mediator. The Jehovah’s Witnesses further demonstrate their lack of Bible understanding when they argue that Jesus is no longer a man with a human nature, for, they argue, Jesus can never return as a man in his human body, for that would be to take his sacrifice back, and invalidate the Atonement He accomplished. Such a view on their part shows their ignorance of this Scripture, where Paul distinctly refers to Jesus as "the man Christ Jesus."
the man Christ Jesus -- He is fully human and fully God, and thus able to reconcile God and humanity (see 1Co_8:6; Eph_4:5-6).
The absence of the definite article before Man in the Greek suggests the better translation, “Christ Jesus, Himself a man.” Only the perfect God-Man could bring God and man together. Cf. Job_9:32-33.
Various people groups do not each have their own gods, though they may imagine they do; all must come to the one true God for salvation. This means that Jesus, God’s incarnate Son, is the one and only mediator, the only way to salvation (cf. Act_4:12).
the man
Mt 1:23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall give birth to a son. They shall call his name Immanuel,” which is, being interpreted, “God with us.”
Lk 2:10-11 [10] The angel said to them, “Don’t be afraid, for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be to all the people. [11] For there is born to you today, in David’s city, a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and lived among us. We saw his glory, such glory as of the only born Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.
1Co 15:45-47 [45] So also it is written, “The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. [46] However, that which is spiritual isn’t first, but that which is natural, then that which is spiritual. [47] The first man is of the earth, made of dust. The second man is the Lord from heaven.
Php 2:6-8 [6] who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped, [7] but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men. [8] And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to the point of death, yes, the death of the cross.
Heb 2:6-13 [6] But one has somewhere testified, saying, “What is man, that you think of him? Or the son of man, that you care for him? [7] You made him a little lower than the angels. You crowned him with glory and honor. [8] You have put all things in subjection under his feet.” For in that he subjected all things to him, he left nothing that is not subject to him. But now we don’t yet see all things subjected to him. [9] But we see him who has been made a little lower than the angels, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God he should taste of death for everyone. [10] For it became him, for whom are all things and through whom are all things, in bringing many children to glory, to make the author of their salvation perfect through sufferings. [11] For both he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one, for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brothers, [12] saying, “I will declare your name to my brothers. Among the congregation I will sing your praise.” [13] Again, “I will put my trust in him.” Again, “Behold, here I am with the children whom God has given me.”
Re 1:13 And among the lamp stands was one like a son of man, clothed with a robe reaching down to his feet, and with a golden sash around his chest.
Johann
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Not so-
Jesus is depicted in heaven as a Lamb that was slain, as described in Revelation 5:6. This imagery symbolizes Jesus' sacrificial death and the atonement He provided for humanity through His blood. Revelation 5:6 states, "And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth."
This verse from the book of Revelation portrays Jesus in His exalted state in heaven, yet bearing the marks of His sacrificial death on the cross. The imagery of the Lamb that was slain emphasizes the central role of Jesus' sacrifice in redeeming mankind and His ongoing significance as the Lamb of God in the heavenly realm.
Read it for yourself.
Truther
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Jesus is still slain and not light?
Johann
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What is Scripture telling you?
Doug Brents
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SMH, no. His NAME is Yeshua (Jesus), one of His titles is "THE SON", and invoking His title, since He is the ONLY one to have ever born that title, is the same as invoking His name. My name is not son. That also is a title, but I share that title with trillions of others who have also born that title.
As I have already pointed out to you, doing something "in the name of" someone does not require stating that person's actual name. As you can see in many movies, the soldier pounds on the door and shouts, "Open in the name of the King." He does not state the name of the King (Charles, Edward, ect.). He is simply stating the authority upon which he demands the door be opened.
We do the same when we baptize. We baptize in the name (by the authority) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
Truther
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That Jesus is now omnipresent bodily light, but celebrated for being slain for our sins.
Truther
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If Matt 1 says the son's name shall be called Jesus, then what is the name of the son per Matt 28:19?
Truther
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Did Matt in chapter 28 think the name of the son is "son" or is he trying to get us to see something a bit deeper?
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
...as per, the son's particular name?
As in the next event?...
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ...
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
...as per, the son's particular name?
As in the next event?...
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ...
Doug Brents
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"And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to follow all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age."
Matt 28:18-20 does not state His name. It states one of His titles, and gives us the authority upon which we are to do what He has commanded us. It is not the actual name of Jesus that is important here, it is the authority that His name/title represents.
