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- I really like it when I hear about Job’s 3 friends!

- It is not his friends but his enemies who seek to destroy him!

- For them, he is guilty!

- In the book of Job, Job has no friends!

- Everyone is against him!

- Everyone is trying to harm him!

- Job is clear about this!

- The book of Job presents us with the devil's arsenal to break Job's loyalty to Yah.weh!

- Yahweh relies on Job to save their lives!

- Yah.weh clearly says that they are guilty!

- Job must pray for them so that Yah.weh spares them!
 
- And the best for the end!

“Furthermore, there seems to be a certain theological discontinuity between the poetic text, which maintains that God is too far from man for man to understand him and judge his actions”

- The whole book of Job is about extreme faithfulness to Yah.weh!

- Every word from Job tells us about it!

- He can’t live without his incredible connection with Yah.weh!

- But the connection is cut!

- For people who are deeply connected to Yah.weh it is nonsense!

- It can only apply to men who have no connection with Yah.weh!

- But then it is necessary to take away all the words from Job!

- Or in other words put the book of Job in the trash!

- Sorry, not for me!
 
- To come back to the three individuals who are sometimes called “Job’s friends” whereas they are parts of the arsenal of weapons used by the devil against Job, we can compare them to the three astrologers who came to celebrate Jesus!

- The human tradition turned them into kings who came to Jerusalem to celebrate Jesus!

- The human tradition even gave them names and origins!

- They even celebrate them on a special day!

- The problem is that they were also parts of the arsenal of weapons used by the devil against Jesus!

- They were astrologers with Pagan origins!

- According to the following site, we are told about what the Bible says about astrology:

https://www.gotquestions.org/astrology-Bible.html

Astrology is the “interpretation” of an assumed influence the stars (and planets) exert on human destiny. According to astrology, the sign you were born under, Aquarius, Pisces, Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, or Capricorn, impacts your destiny. This is a false belief. The royal astrologers of the Babylonian court were put to shame by God’s prophet Daniel (Daniel 1:20) and were powerless to interpret the king’s dream (Daniel 2:27). God specifies astrologers as among those who will be burned as stubble in God’s judgment (Isaiah 47:13-14). Astrology as a form of divination is expressly forbidden in Scripture (Deuteronomy 18:10-14). God forbade the children of Israel to worship or serve the “host of heaven” (Deuteronomy 4:19). Several times in their history, however, Israel fell into that very sin (2 Kings 17:16 is one example). Their worship of the stars brought God’s judgment each time.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/three-kings-magi-epiphany

Many Christmas carols make mention of the three kings, who follow a star and come to pay homage to the baby Jesus in Bethlehem. In the Bible, they are not called kings, and their number is not specified—instead they are “wise men from the East.” At many courts in the east, including ancient Babylon and Persia, learned astrologers often served as priestly advisers, practiced in the art of magic. In the centuries since, the three magi have been interpreted as kings.

According to the Book of Matthew, a bright star led the magi from the east until it stopped “over the place where the child was,” and “upon entering the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother” (Matthew 1:24).

The magi knelt down for the baby Jesus and “offered him gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh.” Their gifts are possibly an allusion to Isaiah’s vision of nations rendering tribute to Jerusalem: “A multitude of camels shall cover you. they shall bring gold and frankincense, and proclaim the praise of the Lord” (Matthew 2:11, Isaiah 60:6). (Learn the difference between Arabian Camels and Bactrian Camels.)

King Herod had heard rumors of the birth of a new “king” and jealously sought out the baby. In the Book of Matthew, the magi stopped at Herod’s palace on their way to Bethlehem, and the king asked them to let him know where this newborn babe was, so that “I may also go and pay him homage.” But the magi were warned in a dream not to return to Herod, and so they left for their own country by another road” and were never heard from again (Matthew 2:12).

Building a backstory​

Later tellings of the story identified the magi by name and identified their lands of origin: Melchior hailed from Persia, Gaspar (also called "Caspar" or "Jaspar") from India, and Balthazar from Arabia. Their gifts had special symbolic meanings as well: gold signified Jesus' status as "King of the Jews;" frankincense represented the infant's divinity and identity as the Son of God; and myrrh touched upon Jesus' mortality. (Learn what archaeology is telling us about the real Jesus.)

Popular depictions of Christmas seem to compress the nativity story, making it appear as though the three kings’ show up in Bethlehem on Christmas, but traditional celebrations put their visit 12 days after Christmas. Called Epiphany, or Three Kings Day, it is the official commemoration of the arrival of the Magi and is one of Christianity’s oldest holidays. Roman Catholics celebrate Epiphany on January 6, and Orthodox Christian faiths celebrate on January 19.
 
Someone said:

There are too many religions, people are confused and Catholicism has stolen the souls of its followers and the practice of the Gospel has become impossible.

- That’s understandable!

- The world we live in belongs to the devil!

- He seeks to take advantage of his power until the last moment!

- He knows his time is limited!

- As in the case of Job, he uses all the weapons at his disposal to turn humans away from Yah.weh!

- Religions have been very effective in encouraging divisions, wars and confusing humans!

- They have gotten into the habit of having others do the work!

- Only, it never worked!

- Each individual must do their part of the work!

- We cannot depend on others to make bad choices!

- We are already experiencing the consequences of Adam and Eve's rebellion!

- Apparently everyone forgot about it!

- In fact, religions transmit the devil's message!

- From the beginning, Yah.weh warned Adam and Eve: the day you eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you will die!

- What did the devil say? But no, that's not true, you will become like God, you will know good and evil and you will not die!

- What happened?

- They started to age and eventually died!

- It was the same for their descendants!

- And before dying, there are many complications!

- What a liar!

- What do religions say today?

- No, you will not die, your soul will continue to exist!

- Life is therefore a right, it cannot be earned!

- What liars!

- They repeat their father's message as Jesus said!

- It’s the same thing with the Hebrews!

- We are the chosen people of Yah.weh!

- We will never be destroyed!

- Jerusalem and Israel were destroyed twice with unimaginable consequences for the Hebrews!

- They lost everything!

-And they perpetuate the devil's message again and again!

- When Jesus returns to destroy this corrupt human society, they will be surprised again!

- This is called free will!

- You shouldn't complain afterwards!
 
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Job 12

- Righteous and blameless!

- It sounds like there is no one like him on the earth!

- Definitely an excellent example to follow!

- And don’t forget he didn’t have the Bible to help him in his relationship with Yah.weh!

- And Job was an authority!

- He was respected!

- But then people started to laugh at him!

- Don’t forget that anything can happen at any time!

- But is that a reason or an excuse to forget Yah.weh?

- Job would never do that!

- When you look at men like Job, Daniel, Samuel, you can only see faithfulness!

- And they did it by themselves!

- They had no other examples to follow!

- We have the Bible!

- We have details!

- We are told about it!

- We have no excuse!
 
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Job 12

- Job sees wickedness everywhere!

- But animals, birds, the earth, the fish of the sea tell about our creator!

- God created everything!

- It was evidence for Job!

- It is not evidence for many men!

- But look at what they have done to the earth!

- Every time they have more capacity to destroy all life on the earth!

- Life vs destruction!

- Two opposite ways!

- We must make a choice!

- Like Job!

- As far as we can see, men usually choose death against life!

- Men destroy life!

- They have reached such a level that they can destroy their own lives!

- It looks like global hysteria!

- And Yah.weh gave them life!

- Why are they always looking for death and killing and violence!

- They belong to the devil!

- He is waiting for them to go to destruction with him!

- What about us?
 
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Job 12

- We have ears: do we still hear?

- We have eyes: do we still see?

- We have a nose: do we still smell?

- We have hands: do we still touch?

- We have a palate: do we still taste?

- We have a mind: do we still learn?

- It is an obligation to keep learning about Yah.weh and the Bible!

- If we don‘t do it, how can we believe in Yah.weh?

- We must build up our faith!

- We must build up our relationship with Yah.weh!

- If we don’t do it, we are lazy and good to nothing!

- Remember the Hebrews, they went away from Yah.weh gradually!

- Many people say they believe but they don’t practise!

- If we don’t practise, we don’t believe!

- Remember: the next promised land will be for those who are active; for those who are ready to do their job!

- The Hebrews didn’t get into the promised land, they died in the desert!

- Their children got into it but they had to fight to get it!

- And all at once they opposed Yah.weh!

- So they kept getting into trouble!

- No peace!

- When they get into it, their destruction was written!

- This time, Jesus will be the king!

- He was with Yah.weh from the beginning!

- He will follow his Father’s orders!

- It won’t be so easy to get into the new promised land!

- And people will have to obey the New Law!

- There won’t be any game!

- Yah.weh has wisdom and mightiness and counsel and understanding: do we listen to him?

- Job kept doing it all his life and he was blessed!

- If we don’t do it now and get ready, there won’t be any promised land for us!
 
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Job 12

- Nothing is impossible for Yah.weh!

- All faithful servants of Yah.weh know that!

- There is no one more powerful than him!

- All faithful servants of Yah.weh know that!

- He can teach a lesson to anyone!

- And his faithful servants keep it forever!

- like a precious gift and treasure!

- So did Job!

- Neither did the Hebrews!

- Neither did mankind!

- Only individuals!

- But it is a question of life or death!

- We have a lot to learn from Yah.weh!

- And we will have a lot more in the future!
 
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Job 12

- Job has always been looking for light!

- Do we do the same?

- The world is going to its destruction!

- What about us?

- Do we act like drunken men?

- Or do we look for understanding?

- We have to choose one way like Job and walk straight away!

- The question is do we really want to know?

- or do we let others think for us?

- When we let others do the job for us, we are dead!

- Do we look for light or do we stay in darkness?
 
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Job 13

- Have we heard and understood it like Job!

- Do we want to speak with Yah.weh like Job?

- For that, we must be taught by him!

- We must listen to him again and again!

- Yes, first we need to be accepted by our creator!

- We are nothing compared to him!

- But look at faithful men like Job, Daniel and Samuel!

- Yah.weh would listen to them!

- He would speak to them!

- The more we study the Bible, the more we can realize Yah.weh can speak to us!

- We don’t need human lies!

- We don’t need useless physicians!

- But this world is full of lies!

- Now this world is what it is!

- We can’t change it!

- But we can prepare ourselves for the next promised land!

- Then everything will be different!
 
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Job 13

- Sometimes it is better to keep silent and listen!

- Sometimes it is better to speak like Job!

- We must learn to do the right thing at the right time!

- If we don’t use arguments, why speaking to say nothing?

- it is a common technique today, speaking to say nothing, just to fill space!


- Do we really take God’s side like Job?

- Or do we just wait and see?

- A lot to think about!

- And to think continuously to our situation regarding Yah.weh to know what we have to do or not!

- It will always require action!

- Are we conscious of that or are we just waiting?

- Think about the Hebrews!

- Think about mankind!

- They always chose the wrong way with the same ending!
 
https://www.gotquestions.org/life-Job.html


The life of Job demonstrates that humans are often unaware of the many ways God is at work in the life of each believer. Job’s life is also one that prompts the common question, “Why do bad things happen to good people?” It is the age-old question, and difficult to answer, but believers know that God is always in control, and, no matter what happens, there are no coincidences—nothing happens by chance. Job was a believer; he knew that God was on the throne and in total control, though he had no way of knowing why so many terrible tragedies were occurring in his life.


Job was "blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil" (Job 1:1). He had ten children and was a man of great wealth. The Bible tells us that one day Satan presented himself before God and God asked Satan what he thought of Job. Satan accused Job of honoring God only because God had blessed him. So, God allowed Satan to take away Job’s wealth and his children. Later, God allowed Satan to afflict Job physically. Job grieved deeply but did not charge God with wrongdoing (Job 1:22; 42:7–8).


Job’s friends were certain that Job must have sinned in order to deserve punishment and argued with him about it. But Job maintained his innocence, though he confessed that he wanted to die and did ask questions of God. A younger man, Elihu, attempted to speak on God’s behalf before God, Himself, answered Job. Job 38—42 contain some of the most stunning poetry about the magnitude and might of God. Job responded to God’s discourse in humility and repentance, saying he had spoken of things he did not know (Job 40:3–5; 42:1–6). God told Job’s friends that He was angry with them for speaking falsehoods about Him, unlike Job who had spoken truth (Job 42:7–8). God told them to offer sacrifices and that Job would pray on their behalf and God would accept Job’s prayer. Job did so, likely forgiving his friends for their harshness himself. God restored Job’s fortunes two-fold (Job 42:10) and "blessed the latter part of Job’s life more than the former part" (Job 42:12). Job lived 140 years after his suffering.


Job never lost his faith in God, even under the most heartbreaking circumstances that tested him to his core. It’s hard to imagine losing everything we own in one day—property, possessions, and even children. Most men would sink into depression and perhaps even become suicidal after such massive loss. Though depressed enough to curse the day of his birth (Job 3:1–26), Job never cursed God (Job 2:9–10) nor did he waver in his understanding that God was still in control. Job’s three friends, on the other hand, instead of comforting him, gave him bad advice and even accused him of committing sins so grievous that God was punishing him with misery. Job knew God well enough to know that He did not work that way; in fact, he had such an intimate, personal relationship with Him that he was able to say, “Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him; I will surely defend my ways to his face” (Job 13:15). When Job’s wife suggested he curse God and die, Job replied "You are talking like a foolish woman. Shall we accept good from God, and not trouble?" (Job 2:10).


Job’s plight, from the death of his children and loss of his property to the physical torment he endured, plus the harangue of his so-called friends, never caused his faith to waver. He knew who his Redeemer was, he knew that He was a living Savior, and he knew that someday He would physically stand on the earth (Job 19:25). He understood that man’s days are ordained (numbered) and they cannot be changed (Job 14:5). The spiritual depth of Job shows throughout the book. James refers to Job as an example of perseverance, writing, "Brothers and sisters, as an example of patience in the face of suffering, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord. As you know, we count as blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job’s perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy" (James 5:10–11).


There are also several scientific and historical facts in the book of Job. The book implied the earth is round long before the advent of modern science (Job 22:14). The book mentions dinosaurs—not by that name, but the description of the behemoth is certainly dinosaur-like—living side by side with man (Job 40:15–24).


The book of Job gives us a glimpse behind the veil that separates earthly life from the heavenly. In the beginning of the book, we see that Satan and his fallen angels are still allowed access to heaven, going in and out to the prescribed meetings that take place there. What is obvious from these accounts is that Satan is busy working his evil on earth, as recorded in Job 1:6–7. Also, this account shows how Satan is “the accuser of the brethren,” which corresponds to Revelation 12:10, and it shows his arrogance and pride, as written in Isaiah 14:13–14. It is amazing to see how Satan challenges God; he has no scruples about confronting the Most High. The account in Job shows Satan as he truly is—haughty and evil to the core.


Perhaps the greatest lesson we learn from the book of Job is that God does not have to answer to anyone for what He does or does not do. Job’s experience teaches us that we may never know the specific reason for suffering, but we must trust in our sovereign, holy, righteous God. His ways are perfect (Psalm 18:30). Since God’s ways are perfect, we can trust that whatever He does—and whatever He allows—is also perfect. We can’t expect to understand God’s mind perfectly, as He reminds us, “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways. . . . For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:8–9).


Our responsibility to God is to obey Him, to trust Him, and to submit to His will, whether we understand it or not. When we do, we will find God in the midst of our trials—possibly even because of our trials. We will see more clearly the magnificence of our God, and we will say, with Job, “My ears had heard of you but now my eyes have seen you” (Job 42:5).
 
  • Job knew God well enough to know that He did not work that way; in fact, he had such an intimate, personal relationship with Him that he was able to say, “Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him; I will surely defend my ways to his face” (Job 13:15).

  • The spiritual depth of Job shows throughout the book. James refers to Job as an example of perseverance, writing, "Brothers and sisters, as an example of patience in the face of suffering, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord. As you know, we count as blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job’s perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy" (James 5:10–11).

  • There are also several scientific and historical facts in the book of Job. The book implied the earth is round long before the advent of modern science (Job 22:14).

  • He is the only man of whom Yah·weh said: there is no one like him on earth!

  • No man has faced such a trial!

  • He is the example of faithfulness!
 
- Someone said:

But people don't have faith and don't believe

- This is not something new!

- It’s a choice!

- They have free will!

- It’s the same with corruption!

- Why did Solomon, who had much wisdom, end up turning away from Yah.weh and prostituting himself with the false gods of all his women?

- He made his choice!
 
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Job 13:9 (first question)

“Would it be well when he examined you?”

- Eliphaz, Bildad and Zophar have already given their first speeches!

- It is Chapter 13 out of 42 chapters meaning we have reached one third of the whole book!

- And for Job, everything is clear!

- He understands them perfectly!

- And his conclusion is premonitory!

- “Would it be well when he examined you?”

- It is a warning!

- Job knows perfectly where he stands!

- And he knows perfectly where they stand!

- And he knows that what they do is not correct!

- But they don’t listen to him!

- They keep thinking that they are better than him!

- Bad decision!

- And they were wrong!

- And they were condemned by Yah.weh!

- And Yah.weh put their lives in Job’s hands!

- And he saved them!

- End of the story!

- Now imagine that the question is not for the three men but for us!

- What would we do?

- Would we take into account the warning as if it was coming directly from Yah.weh?

- What if we believe in corruption?

- The devil has always manipulated men, he is the god of this world!

- And he knows he is going to be destroyed and he wants to bring as many people as he can with him!

- Do you think that Yah.weh can tolerate corruption, and in particular religious corruption and human traditions which have nothing to do with his word?

- The Hebrews and mankind have always practised it through ages in such a way that today’s religious traditions have nothing but nothing to do with the Bible but only with pagan rituals!

- The corruption is so developed that everything is intermingled!

- So once again, “would it be well when he examined you?”
 
Erik said:

The story of the Tower of Babel is part of "our" "primordial history" (Genesis chapters 1-11), it is actually a collection of myths about the origin of the world, humanity and human culture - prior to the long story of the people of Israel, which begins with the forefather Abraham in Genesis 12 (originally Abram of Ur of Caldean (1813-1638 – married 1788))

But Chaldea is not believed to exist before about 1200 BC

Chaldea | Babylonian, Mesopotamian, Sumerian | Britannica

The Tower of Babel (build 1765 BC) is thus included as a motif in a mythical story about how humanity collectively sought to anchor their unity by founding a single city.

(1765 BC, is according to Chabad)


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-It is necessary to remember one essential point!

- It was a different time with different people and a different mentality!

- The Hebrew language is basic compared to Ancient Greek which is probably the richest language in the world!

- People usually forget that that's why the majority will never understand the Bible!
 
Erik said:

Whether there have been one or more Trinitarian gods before cannot change the origin of the Christian version.

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- Everywhere in the Bible there is a continuous fight between human tradition and Yah.weh’s word!

- The devil has been at work right at the beginning!

- Yah.weh said, you will die, the devil said you won’t die and guess what they died!

- Through human history it has always been the same!

- Religion usually say, you won’t die, it doesn’t matter what you do!

- But life is not a right, we have to work for it!

- We have to show our faithfulness to Yah.weh!

- No faithfulness to Yah.weh, no future life!

- You can take any biblical book, it is the same, it is a fight between human tradition and Yah.weh’s word!

- Job is telling Yah.weh’s word, the three men tell about the devil’s word!

- Job keeps warning them, they don’t listen!

- With Daniel it’s exactly the same!

- Human’s tradition vs Yah.weh’s word!

- With Samuel it’s exactly the same!

- Yah.weh has left the country!

- Yah.weh is the king of Israel but the Hebrews want a human king!

- Samuel can’t believe it and warns them!

- But Yah.weh says to let them have their human king and they will pay the price!

- They started rejecting Yah.weh from the beginning!

- They have never been his people!

- And religions keep corrupting Yah.weh’s word because they don’t come from him but from the god of this world!
 
Erik said:

Corruption, I guess, existed long before the OT was written down from oral traditions between 900 and 500 BCE.

The devil, Adam and Eve:

https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Marjo_Korpel_Johannes_de_Moor_Sheffield_2014

Together with other things we read about in the five books of Moses.

What's Ugaritic Got to Do with Anything?

Noah, the ark and the flood

Evidence for a Flood

//Only one leader Yah.weh, no more stupid human leaders, no more stupid human leadership, no more destruction!//

There have been and still are countless gods around the world -

However, the very first omnipotent god and therefore written with a capital G, God, was Akhenaten's Athos.

Next was YHWH the oldest known YHWH is from c 860 BC and is seen on the Mesha stele.

The Triune God, the idea behind it is from ca. year 100 AD, but does not become a reality until 325 AD, at the Synod of Nicaea.

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- About corruption!

- As I said right at the beginning, the devil, Adam, Eve, you shall not die and they died!

- And religion keeps repeating the same credo!

- Then we get Cain and Abel: One bad and one good! (Genesis chapter 4)

- Corruption evolved like a pandemia!

- Yah.weh warned Cain to change his attitude but he didn’t listen as men usually do!
 
- In Genesis chapter 4 we are also told about Lamech who married two women ( we may remember Yah.weh said one) and he killed a young man who had wounded him and he made a song of his action!

- Once again corruption but it is everywhere from the beginning!

- Wherever we go, we can see how corrupt men are!

- We can add men away from Yah.weh!

- Faithfulness is something essential!

- But as everything is corrupt, it is also important to get away from corruption if we don’t want to share responsibility!

- Then in Genesis 4:26, we are told about the birth of Enosh and it was when men began to call upon the name of Yah.weh!

- Thus we get corruption all the time and from time to time men start to remember that Yah.weh is there!

- So if we want to understand the Bible we must take corruption as the basis!

- If we want to be accepted by Yah.weh we must take corruption as the basis!

- If we want to be accepted by Yah.weh we must glorify God's only name which is Yah.weh!

- If we don’t do it we can’t be accepted by Yah.weh!

- There is only one way, Yah.weh’s way, not man’s way!

- If we follow man’s way as everybody does it, we can’t be accepted by Yah.weh!

- It is as simple as that!
 
- In Genesis 5, we are told about men who can live a bit less than 1,000 years!

- Then we are told about Enoch who walked with Yah.weh and he lived 365 years which is quite different from the other men!

- And it is said it was because Yah.weh took him!

- We can imagine it was a kind of protection because the situation was too bad, too much corruption!

- And then we arrive at Noah!

- Then Yah.weh takes a very different decision!

- Or maybe it is not so different in the case of Enoch because in a way he took him from mankind by bringing the flood to the earth and destroying mankind!

- The only difference was a new start for mankind!
 
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