Justice "served" in the Atonement?

[Dizerner]

I once knew a "Preacher" that often said

"People go to hell with their sins forgiven."

You knew a preacher that lied to people.

I know a lot of preachers that lie to people too.

No one goes to hell "with their sins forgiven," lol, that would be unjust.

Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." (Jn. 8:24 NKJ)

 

[praise_yeshua]

Hell exists, Scripture teaches it. Please do a study of the wrath of God in Scripture, he is not a peace loving hippie.

Neither am I.

I don't reject hell. I establish the rightful judgement of hell.

Hell isn't what God wants. Hell is not the establishment of Justice.

Try reading this again more slowly:

because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, (Rom. 3:25 NKJ)

I can read just fine. There is not equating "passed over" with "forgiveness". You're conflating.

The High Priestly work of Christ included forgiving sins on this earth. It wasn't the death of Christ that established that forgiveness. The "Judge" was right there before them.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You knew a preacher that lied to people.

I know a lot of preachers that lie to people too.

No one goes to hell "with their sins forgiven," lol, that would be unjust.

Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." (Jn. 8:24 NKJ)

Yeah. I knew that you wouldn't accept this because of what you believe. You actually believe justice requires such things. I don't believe you understand "just and the justifier" concept of redemption.

The wrath of God isn't satisfied in the judgement and damnation of sinners. If it were, then the eternal nature of damnation would require the endless wrath of God.

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

 

[Dizerner]

It wasn't the death of Christ that established that forgiveness.

You contradict the Word.

whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood (Rom. 3:25 NKJ)

Repent.

 

[Johann]

Forgiveness doesn't always establish a relationship. Many times it actually doesn't. Forgiveness has been defined as "giving up the will to get even".....

I once knew a "Preacher" that often said

"People go to hell with their sins forgiven."

"Agreement" is everything.

Except you are mistaken here regarding when the Messiah began to officiate as our High Priest.



Heb_8:4 "if He were on earth, He would not be a priest at all" This is a second class conditional sentence, which is called contrary to fact (cf. Heb_4:8; Heb_7:11; Heb_8:4; Heb_8:7; Heb_10:2; Heb_11:15). Jesus was not of the priestly Levitical tribe, but from the royal tribe of Judah. Jesus' priestly ministry was ultimately performed in heaven.




1. Hebrews 8:4 — "If He were on earth, He would not be a priest"

Text:
"Now if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are those who offer the gifts according to the Law." (NASB)

Greek:
εἰ μὲν οὖν ἦν ἐπὶ γῆς, οὐδ᾽ ἂν ἦν ἱερεύς, ὄντων τῶν προσφερόντων κατὰ νόμον τὰ δῶρα

The Greek conditional phrase (εἰ...οὐδ᾽ ἂν ἦν ἱερεύς) is a second-class condition, meaning "contrary to fact." This clearly asserts that while Jesus was on earth, He was not a priest. The Levitical system governed earthly priesthood, and Christ, being from the tribe of Judah (Hebrews 7:14), could not serve as a priest under that system.

2. Hebrews 7:16 — Jesus became a priest “by the power of an indestructible life”

Text:
"…who has become such not on the basis of a law of physical requirement, but according to the power of an indestructible life."

Greek:
κατὰ δύναμιν ζωῆς ἀκαταλύτου


The participle γεγονώς (has become) is perfect tense, denoting a completed action with continuing effect. This refers to the moment when Christ, having conquered death (thus demonstrating the "indestructible life"), was declared High Priest. This clearly places the beginning of His priesthood after the resurrection.

3. Hebrews 5:9–10 — “Having been made perfect…” He became the source of salvation and was designated a priest

Text:
"And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, being designated by God as a high priest…"

Greek:
τελειωθεὶς ἐγένετο πᾶσιν… σωτηρίας αἴτιος… προσαγορευθεὶς ὑπὸ τοῦ θεοῦ ἀρχιερεὺς


The aorist passive participle τελειωθεὶς ("having been perfected") refers to Christ’s completion of His earthly suffering and resurrection. Only after this perfection was He designated (προσαγορευθεὶς, aorist passive participle) as High Priest. This implies a post-resurrection appointment.

4. Hebrews 4:14 — “We have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens”

Text:
"Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession."

Greek:
ἔχοντες οὖν ἀρχιερέα μέγαν διεληλυθότα τοὺς οὐρανούς


The verb διεληλυθότα (perfect active participle of διέρχομαι) means “having passed through.” It points to a completed past action with ongoing significance: Jesus passed through the heavens—an allusion to His ascension. This is the moment at which His high-priestly function is inaugurated in the heavenly sanctuary.

5. Hebrews 9:11–12 — Christ entered the heavenly tabernacle “once for all” with His blood

Text:
"But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come… He entered once for all into the holy places… by means of His own blood, thus securing eternal redemption."

Greek:
Χριστὸς… εἰσῆλθεν ἐφάπαξ εἰς τὰ ἅγια… διὰ δὲ τοῦ ἰδίου αἵματος


Εἰσῆλθεν (aorist active indicative) denotes a completed action—He entered once for all into the heavenly sanctuary. This is the heavenly Day of Atonement, when Christ, as High Priest, offered His blood not in an earthly temple but in heaven. This event occurs after the resurrection and ascension, not during His earthly life.

6. Psalm 110:4 quoted in Hebrews 5:6; 7:17 — “You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek”

Text:
"You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek."

Greek (LXX):
Σὺ ἱερεὺς εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα κατὰ τὴν τάξιν Μελχισέδεκ


This is a prophetic enthronement psalm. Hebrews 1:3–4 and 8:1 link Christ's enthronement to His priesthood. He becomes both King and Priest after offering purification for sins and sitting down at the right hand of God (Heb. 1:3). The priestly role begins in conjunction with His exaltation.

Shalom.

J.

 

[Studyman]

I mean, those aren't' mutually exclusive statements, one can say his suffering both started and ended at the Cross.

Jesus definitely suffered during his human life, but it was at the Cross he suffered what our sins deserved, the Atonement.

I understand the sentiment. But if it were not for His Suffering and the resulting obedience to His Father, HE would have been no different than the other two guys crucified with Him.

 

[Dizerner]

I understand the sentiment. But if it were not for His Suffering and the resulting obedience to His Father, HE would have been no different than the other two guys crucified with Him.

I'm not sure I would phrase it at all like that... he would still definitely be different.

I agree he had to qualify to be the sacrifice by his perfect life of obedience, however.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

The high priest could not just forgive sin, Animal sacrifice had to occur..

jesus can not just forgive sin. While he is perfect love, He also is perfect justice. Love can not overrule justice.

The wage of sin is death, The gift of God is eternal life. based on the death suffered on the cross.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

You knew a preacher that lied to people.

I know a lot of preachers that lie to people too.

No one goes to hell "with their sins forgiven," lol, that would be unjust.

Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." (Jn. 8:24 NKJ)

Actually everyone will go to hell with their sins forgiven

They go to hell because they did not believe

He who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already

Jesus took care of the sin debt. Its up to us to recieve in faith his gift. or reject it

 

[Dizerner]

Actually everyone will go to hell with their sins forgiven

This is Free Grace teaching and it is completely false. I mean utterly and completely false, it's not how the atonement works.

Imagine praying "Father forgive us this day our debts," when you are auto-forgiven.

Imagine being born by nature under the wrath of God when you already forgiven.

Imagine praying the prayer of salvation, "God be merciful to me a sinner," when you are already forgiven anyway.

Where that logic naturally leads—if the Free Gracer were to be logically consistent—is Universalism.

They go to hell because they did not believe.... Jesus took care of the sin debt. Its up to us to recieve in faith his gift. or reject it

Jesus clearly said people are STILL IN THEIR SINS. He FLAT OUT said it.

Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for
if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." (Jn. 8:24 NKJ)

People are not in their sins if they are auto-forgiven, and the justice of God would be completely violated to send forgiven people to hell.

That's not how salvation works, that's not how the atonement works. that's not how forgiveness works, it's a leaven of false doctrine.

Forgiveness only comes through union with Christ, because the atonement only happened in the Person of Christ.

Before then we were, "apart from Christ, without hope and without God."

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

This is Free Grace teaching and it is completely false

Its actually gospel teaching. even John the baptist said behold the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.

. I mean utterly and completely false, it's not how the atonement works.

Yeah it is. Unless you think you are special. Your not

Imagine praying "Father forgive us this day our debts," when you are auto-forgiven.

Imagine being born by nature under the wrath of God when you already forgiven.

Imagine praying the prayer of salvation, "God be merciful to me a sinner," when you are already forgiven anyway.

Where that logic naturally leads—if the Free Gracer were to be logically consistent—is Universalism.

lol.. HE WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE IS CONDEMNED ALEADY

were you born a believer?

Jesus clearly said people are STILL IN THEIR SINS. He FLAT OUT said it.

Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for
if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." (Jn. 8:24 NKJ)

Your right they will..

But jesus paid the sin of the world.. You calling Jesus a liar?

People are not in their sins if they are auto-forgiven, and the justice of God would be completely violated to send forgiven people to hell.

That's not how salvation works, that's not how the atonement works. that's not how forgiveness works, it's a leaven of false doctrine.

Forgiveness only comes through union with Christ, because the atonement only happened in the Person of Christ.

Before then we were, "apart from Christ, without hope and without God."

Yawn.

Typical fatalisitic mumbo jumbo

 

[Studyman]

Yes.. He cried out (literally screamed) then his suffering ended. and he said "it is finished"

Yes, the suffering part of the Prophesies concerning Him was over.

Except you are mistaken here regarding when the Messiah began to officiate as our High Priest.



Heb_8:4 "if He were on earth, He would not be a priest at all" This is a second class conditional sentence, which is called contrary to fact (cf. Heb_4:8; Heb_7:11; Heb_8:4; Heb_8:7; Heb_10:2; Heb_11:15). Jesus was not of the priestly Levitical tribe, but from the royal tribe of Judah. Jesus' priestly ministry was ultimately performed in heaven.




1. Hebrews 8:4 — "If He were on earth, He would not be a priest"

Text:
"Now if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are those who offer the gifts according to the Law." (NASB)

Greek:
εἰ μὲν οὖν ἦν ἐπὶ γῆς, οὐδ᾽ ἂν ἦν ἱερεύς, ὄντων τῶν προσφερόντων κατὰ νόμον τὰ δῶρα

The Greek conditional phrase (εἰ...οὐδ᾽ ἂν ἦν ἱερεύς) is a second-class condition, meaning "contrary to fact." This clearly asserts that while Jesus was on earth, He was not a priest. The Levitical system governed earthly priesthood, and Christ, being from the tribe of Judah (Hebrews 7:14), could not serve as a priest under that system.

2. Hebrews 7:16 — Jesus became a priest “by the power of an indestructible life”

Text:
"…who has become such not on the basis of a law of physical requirement, but according to the power of an indestructible life."

Greek:
κατὰ δύναμιν ζωῆς ἀκαταλύτου


The participle γεγονώς (has become) is perfect tense, denoting a completed action with continuing effect. This refers to the moment when Christ, having conquered death (thus demonstrating the "indestructible life"), was declared High Priest. This clearly places the beginning of His priesthood after the resurrection.

3. Hebrews 5:9–10 — “Having been made perfect…” He became the source of salvation and was designated a priest

Text:
"And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, being designated by God as a high priest…"

Greek:
τελειωθεὶς ἐγένετο πᾶσιν… σωτηρίας αἴτιος… προσαγορευθεὶς ὑπὸ τοῦ θεοῦ ἀρχιερεὺς


The aorist passive participle τελειωθεὶς ("having been perfected") refers to Christ’s completion of His earthly suffering and resurrection. Only after this perfection was He designated (προσαγορευθεὶς, aorist passive participle) as High Priest. This implies a post-resurrection appointment.

4. Hebrews 4:14 — “We have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens”

Text:
"Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession."

Greek:
ἔχοντες οὖν ἀρχιερέα μέγαν διεληλυθότα τοὺς οὐρανούς


The verb διεληλυθότα (perfect active participle of διέρχομαι) means “having passed through.” It points to a completed past action with ongoing significance: Jesus passed through the heavens—an allusion to His ascension. This is the moment at which His high-priestly function is inaugurated in the heavenly sanctuary.

5. Hebrews 9:11–12 — Christ entered the heavenly tabernacle “once for all” with His blood

Text:
"But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come… He entered once for all into the holy places… by means of His own blood, thus securing eternal redemption."

Greek:
Χριστὸς… εἰσῆλθεν ἐφάπαξ εἰς τὰ ἅγια… διὰ δὲ τοῦ ἰδίου αἵματος


Εἰσῆλθεν (aorist active indicative) denotes a completed action—He entered once for all into the heavenly sanctuary. This is the heavenly Day of Atonement, when Christ, as High Priest, offered His blood not in an earthly temple but in heaven. This event occurs after the resurrection and ascension, not during His earthly life.

6. Psalm 110:4 quoted in Hebrews 5:6; 7:17 — “You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek”

Text:
"You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek."

Greek (LXX):
Σὺ ἱερεὺς εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα κατὰ τὴν τάξιν Μελχισέδεκ


This is a prophetic enthronement psalm. Hebrews 1:3–4 and 8:1 link Christ's enthronement to His priesthood. He becomes both King and Priest after offering purification for sins and sitting down at the right hand of God (Heb. 1:3). The priestly role begins in conjunction with His exaltation.

Shalom.

J.

I can see how you would come to this conclusion. But I would like to offer a few thoughts to consider.

#1. Jesus forgave the sins of many people from the time John the Baptist anointed Him, until the day HE was murdered. And HE never once sprinkled the Blood of a goat or a calf on any alter. Isn't this proof that Jesus was God's High Priest from the moment HE said, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased"? And that the Old Priesthood Covenant was already gone, and the New Priesthood Covenant had already replaced it?

#2. How many Words or instructions of the Lord's Christ have we received since His Asension to His Father? Isn't it true that EVERY Word we are told to obey, ALL the Saying of the Christ that we are to be "Doers of", and even Moses said;

Duet. 18: 18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever "will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name", I will require it of him.

All of these Words we are told to abide by, were Spoken by Jesus before His Death, not after.

Truly HE was never a Priest "After the Order of Aaron", and other Priests have died, and even been killed. But Jesus is the First Priest of God that was raised from the dead. And therefore, is a Priest forever.

I just don't know how it can be said that HE wasn't God's Prophesied Priest until after HE died, if the only Words HE spoke were spoken by Him before HE ascended.

Heb. 5: 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; 10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but these are my thoughts.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Yes, the suffering part of the Prophesies concerning Him was over.

Prophecies?

We are talking about the price of redemption..

I can see how you would come to this conclusion. But I would like to offer a few thoughts to consider.

#1. Jesus forgave the sins of many people from the time John the Baptist anointed Him, until the day HE was murdered. And HE never once sprinkled the Blood of a goat or a calf on any alter. Isn't this proof that Jesus was God's High Priest from the moment HE said, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased"? And that the Old Priesthood Covenant was already gone, and the New Priesthood Covenant had already replaced it?

Jesus is God. He knew he was taking their sin on the cross.. So this does not suprise me any

#2. How many Words or instructions of the Lord's Christ have we received since His Asension to His Father? Isn't it true that EVERY Word we are told to obey, ALL the Saying of the Christ that we are to be "Doers of", and even Moses said;

Duet. 18: 18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever "will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name", I will require it of him.

All of these Words we are told to abide by, were Spoken by Jesus before His Death, not after.

Truly HE was never a Priest "After the Order of Aaron", and other Priests have died, and even been killed. But Jesus is the First Priest of God that was raised from the dead. And therefore, is a Priest forever.

I just don't know how it can be said that HE wasn't God's Prophesied Priest until after HE died, if the only Words HE spoke were spoken by Him before HE ascended.

Heb. 5: 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; 10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but these are my thoughts.

Thats right, You think you must earn salvation right? Jesus did not mean it is finished. He meant I did my part now you do yours

 

[Johann]

I can see how you would come to this conclusion. But I would like to offer a few thoughts to consider.

#1. Jesus forgave the sins of many people from the time John the Baptist anointed Him, until the day HE was murdered. And HE never once sprinkled the Blood of a goat or a calf on any alter. Isn't this proof that Jesus was God's High Priest from the moment HE said, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased"? And that the Old Priesthood Covenant was already gone, and the New Priesthood Covenant had already replaced it?

#2. How many Words or instructions of the Lord's Christ have we received since His Asension to His Father? Isn't it true that EVERY Word we are told to obey, ALL the Saying of the Christ that we are to be "Doers of", and even Moses said;

Duet. 18: 18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever "will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name", I will require it of him.

All of these Words we are told to abide by, were Spoken by Jesus before His Death, not after.

Truly HE was never a Priest "After the Order of Aaron", and other Priests have died, and even been killed. But Jesus is the First Priest of God that was raised from the dead. And therefore, is a Priest forever.

I just don't know how it can be said that HE wasn't God's Prophesied Priest until after HE died, if the only Words HE spoke were spoken by Him before HE ascended.

Heb. 5: 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; 10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but these are my thoughts.

Brother, I appreciate your response, but Scripture gives a very clear timeline regarding when Christ began His high priestly ministry-and it is after His resurrection and ascension, not during His earthly life.

Hebrews 8:4 says plainly:

“Now if He were on earth, He would not be a priest…”
This is a second-class conditional in Greek (contrary to fact): If He were on earth—but He’s not—He would not be a priest.

Forgiving sins (as He did on earth) is a messianic and divine prerogative (cf. Mark 2:10), but priesthood-officiating before God on behalf of men-required entering the heavenly sanctuary (Hebrews 9:11–12), with His own blood, after His resurrection, once for all.

Hebrews 5:9–10 is also decisive:

“And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation… called of God an high priest after the order of Melchizedek.”
The “being made perfect” (τελειωθεὶς) is aorist passive—referring to completion of suffering, resurrection, and exaltation.

So yes, He is indeed High Priest forever—but He became such only after fulfilling all righteousness, conquering death, and ascending to the right hand of God (Hebrews 4:14; Psalm 110:4).

Grace and peace.

J.

 

[civic]

Hell exists, Scripture teaches it. Please do a study of the wrath of God in Scripture, he is not a peace loving hippie.



Try reading this again more slowly:

because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, (Rom. 3:25 NKJ)

no wrath on the saints or Jesus but only on the rebellious, reprobates, ungodly, unrepentant sinners.

next fallacy

 

[civic]

Yeah. I knew that you wouldn't accept this because of what you believe. You actually believe justice requires such things. I don't believe you understand "just and the justifier" concept of redemption.

The wrath of God isn't satisfied in the judgement and damnation of sinners. If it were, then the eternal nature of damnation would require the endless wrath of God.

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

good point

 

[praise_yeshua]

The high priest could not just forgive sin, Animal sacrifice had to occur..

jesus can not just forgive sin. While he is perfect love, He also is perfect justice. Love can not overrule justice.

The wage of sin is death, The gift of God is eternal life. based on the death suffered on the cross.

Mat 9:5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk?
Mat 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

When God forgives. God forgives. To say otherwise is to question the very Character of what God said.

Forgiveness isn't about the blood of animals. Blood stains. Blood provides a witness. It is the death that reminds us of the frailty of human life. At every turn we are reminded by nature and the Gospel of our END!!!! Without God.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You contradict the Word.

whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood (Rom. 3:25 NKJ)

Repent.

Why are you selectively quoting what I wrote? Don't be dishonest in this.

The death of Jesus Christ provided the means of Eternal Life. Forgiveness doesn't impart Eternal Life.

Have you every forgiven someone before? Did you grant them Eternal Life in the process?

Don't conflate....

 

[praise_yeshua]

Except you are mistaken here regarding when the Messiah began to officiate as our High Priest.

Heb_8:4 "if He were on earth, He would not be a priest at all" This is a second class conditional sentence, which is called contrary to fact (cf. Heb_4:8; Heb_7:11; Heb_8:4; Heb_8:7; Heb_10:2; Heb_11:15). Jesus was not of the priestly Levitical tribe, but from the royal tribe of Judah. Jesus' priestly ministry was ultimately performed in heaven.

Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

I want to explicitly state that the order of Aaron prevented Christ from being an earthly High Priest in forgiving sins.

Don't "dance" around this issue. This is the way you're trying to portray what I said. I will correct you when you explicit say this.

The appeal here is to THE Day of Atonement. It is a good thing Christ was never in the order of Aaron.

 

[Studyman]

Prophecies?

Yes, there are Prophesies which are yet to be fulfilled. Like His return. The Prophesy about His murder, being hung on a tree, being Faithful to His Father until death, etc., was finished on the cross. But the Prophesy of His Glorious return, this time not as a lamb to the slaughter, has yet to be fulfilled. If HE doesn't return, that man's Faith is in vain.

We are talking about the price of redemption..

Passover is the Beginning of God's Salvation, not the end. I know the promoters of this world's religious system preaches that Passover was the End of God's Salvation. But according to what is actually written in Scriptures, it is the Beginning of God's Salvation, followed by Feast of Unleavened Bread. Like Jesus saying, "Your sins are forgiven, no go and son no more".

Jesus is God. He knew he was taking their sin on the cross.. So this does not suprise me any

Jesus is God's High Priest, "After the Order of Melchizedek", advocating between me and His Father and my Father. At least the Jesus "of the bible" is. He is at His Father's House, preparing a place for me.

John 14: 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

I hear Him, and I believe on the Father who sent Him.

Thats right, You think you must earn salvation right? Jesus did not mean it is finished. He meant I did my part now you do yours

Yes, Jesus did the first HIS Part. Now we wait, by patient continuance in well doing, seeking for glory and honour and immortality, for His Glorious return, and the Reward HE said HE brings with Him. "To give to Every man according to His deeds".

Now "we put on" the New Man which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Now we repent of our religious judgments and traditions and turn to God, and "Live By" the Words of God as the Jesus "of the bible" instructs.

Matt. 13: 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

2 Peter 3: 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

The promoter of this world's religious system "who call Jesus Lord, Lord", accuse those men who strive to honor the Christ with more than their lips, "Trying to earn Salvation". Jesus called it, "Striving to Enter the Narrow Path", and "building their house on the Rock". Paul called it "Yielding oneself to God and their bodies as instruments of Righteousness unto God".