Jesus doesn't share God's exclusive glory

[Runningman]

Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
I have glorified You on earth by accomplishing the work You gave Me to do.
And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed.

Jesus gave that glory to his disciples. It's unthinkable that regular disciples have the shekinah glory of God. Therefore the glory Jesus was referring to isn't the kind of exclusive glory that only God has, but rather a glory that was given to Jesus and the disciples.

John 17
22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one—

And to comment on @Phoebe's post, her conclusion is not stated, but being the glory of God does not make someone God.

2 Cor. 3
18And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

 

[DavidTree]

Jesus gave that glory to his disciples. It's unthinkable that regular disciples have the shekinah glory of God. Therefore the glory Jesus was referring to isn't the kind of exclusive glory that only God has, but rather a glory that was given to Jesus and the disciples.

John 17
22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one—

And to comment on @Phoebe's post, her conclusion is not stated, but being the glory of God does not make someone God.

2 Cor. 3
18And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

You just posted that the same glory that Jesus has with the Father HE has given to those who are in Him

The Glory of God is Christ and the Glory of Christ in us is when we are Baptized in the Holy Spirit

Only Blood washed saints who BELIEVE the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE can be Baptized in the Holy Spirit

 

[Runningman]

You just posted that the same glory that Jesus has with the Father HE has given to those who are in Him

The Glory of God is Christ and the Glory of Christ in us is when we are Baptized in the Holy Spirit

Only Blood washed saints who BELIEVE the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE can be Baptized in the Holy Spirit

Ok, but it also means Jesus doesn't share God's exclusive glory like my OP says.

 

[JLB]

The spirit of Christ isn't the same thing as the spirit of Jesus.

Wiggle Wiggle. Twist and squirm.

You are directly opposed to the kingdom of God.

Your full denial is on display.

 

[Runningman]

Wiggle Wiggle. Twist and squirm.

You are directly opposed to the kingdom of God.

Your full denial is on display.

Reads like you couldn't find a counter to what the Bible says. Good. I recommend you stop trying to while you're ahead. If you need to use me as your scapegoat then go for it.

 

[JLB]

Reads like you couldn't find a counter to what the Bible says. Good. I recommend you stop trying to while you're ahead. If you need to use me as your scapegoat then go for it.

I gave my scripture.

All you have is…

The Spirit of Christ isnt Christ.

That’s just denial.


Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.
1 Peter 1:10-11

The Spirit of the LORD is the Spirit of Christ.


Whenever an Old Testament prophet said “thus says the LORD” it was Christ speaking through them.

 

[Runningman]

I gave my scripture.

All you have is…

The Spirit of Christ isnt Christ.

That’s just denial.


Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.
1 Peter 1:10-11

The Spirit of the LORD is the Spirit of Christ.


Whenever an Old Testament prophet said “thus says the LORD” it was Christ speaking through them.

Just literally translate to "the spirit of the anointing" that was in them. After that, I should you several verses where the prophets had the spirit of the anointing, a thing from God, not a person, in them. Ironically, you're still try to slither your way out of it. If you want to prove your point, please show me anywhere where the spirit of the person Jesus, or spirit of the person Son, or spirit of the person Word, was in anyone in the Old Testament.

 

[dwight92070]

Good, add it to the list of examples where the Lamb is not sharing the exclusive glory of He who sits on the throne. The Lamb is at the right hand of the throne.

Wrong, every created thing gives equal blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever to the Father and the Son.

Did you notice that the Lamb was NOT counted as One who was created? Because He always was, just like the Father.

Did you notice that the Lamb did NOT bow down and worship the Father? On the contrary all of creation bowed down and worshiped Him equally with the Father, because they are equal.

 

[dwight92070]

Just literally translate to "the spirit of the anointing" that was in them. After that, I should you several verses where the prophets had the spirit of the anointing, a thing from God, not a person, in them. Ironically, you're still try to slither your way out of it. If you want to prove your point, please show me anywhere where the spirit of the person Jesus, or spirit of the person Son, or spirit of the person Word, was in anyone in the Old Testament.

Peter makes it clear that the Spirit of Christ Jesus was in all the prophets of the Old Testament. 1 Peter 1:10-11

 

[Runningman]

Wrong, every created thing gives equal blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever to the Father and the Son.

But not equal worship according to John 4:23,24. The bible only teaches to worship the Father in spirit and truth.

Did you notice that the Lamb was NOT counted as One who was created? Because He always was, just like the Father.

The Bible calls the Lamb a man and men are created.

John 1
29The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! 30This is He of whom I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because He was before me.’

Did you notice that the Lamb did NOT bow down and worship the Father? On the contrary all of creation bowed down and worshiped Him equally with the Father, because they are equal.

Jesus the Lamb (John 1:29,30) bowed down, worshipped, and prayed to the Father repeatedly.

Matthew 26
39Going a little farther, He fell facedown and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me. Yet not as I will, but as You will.”

 

[Runningman]

Peter makes it clear that the Spirit of Christ Jesus was in all the prophets of the Old Testament. 1 Peter 1:10-11

Yep, the spirit of the anointing. They didn't describe that as a person in the Old Testament. Trinitarians often misunderstand 1 Peter 1:10-11.

 

[JLB]

Just literally translate to "the spirit of the anointing" that was in them. After that, I should you several verses where the prophets had the spirit of the anointing, a thing from God, not a person, in them. Ironically, you're still try to slither your way out of it. If you want to prove your point, please show me anywhere where the spirit of the person Jesus, or spirit of the person Son, or spirit of the person Word, was in anyone in the Old Testament.

Your “translation” seems to be just more denial.

Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11


Thus says the Lord was Jesus Christ, speaking through them as God, the Lord God.

Jesus Christ is Lord.

 

[Runningman]

Your “translation” seems to be just more denial.

Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11


Thus says the Lord was Jesus Christ, speaking through them as God, the Lord God.

Jesus Christ is Lord.

You didn't address anything I said. The prophets from the Old Testament had a thing, an anointing of the spirit, but not a person. That's what I keep trying to show you. The anointing mentioned in 1 Peter 1:10-11 isn't a person in that context.

 

[JLB]

You didn't address anything I said. The prophets from the Old Testament had a thing, an anointing of the spirit, but not a person. That's what I keep trying to show you. The anointing mentioned in 1 Peter 1:10-11 isn't a person in that context.

Anointing is a thing?

A thing says this says the LORD…

Sir, a person was speaking through the Old Testament prophets. Not a thing.

A person dwells in us and teaches us.

The Spirit of Christ is Christ.

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Romans 8:9-10


But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27


A thing doesn’t teach us all things, the Spirit of Jesus Christ teaches us.

God is Spirit.

 

[Runningman]

Anointing is a thing?

A thing says this says the LORD…

Sir, a person was speaking through the Old Testament prophets. Not a thing.

A person dwells in us and teaches us.

The Spirit of Christ is Christ.

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Romans 8:9-10


But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27


A thing doesn’t teach us all things, the Spirit of Jesus Christ teaches us.

God is Spirit.

Yes an anointing is a thing. A spirit is also a thing depending on the context. In the Bible, there are a variety of different spirits that are not actually a person. The idea behind them being called a spirit is that they are the breath that gives life to that thing, with the idea resulting in real faith and empowerment.

There is a spirit adoption and a spirit of slavery (Romans 8:15, Galatians 4:6) and these aren't literally a disembodied spirit. The spirit of adoption confirms believers as God's children.

There is a spirit of wisdom, understanding, counsel, knowledge, and might (Isaiah 11:2) meant to impart wisdom, understanding and dsicernment. The Spirit of the LORD is also mentioned in this verse and that is actually God in the context.

There is a spirit of grace (Zechariah 12:10) which refers to the grace and favor God gives to His people.

Spirit of life (Romans 8:2)

Spirit of a sound mind (2 Timothy 1:7)

Unclean spirits (Mark 1:23, Luke 4:33)

Spirit of divination (Acts 16:16)

and the list goes on and on, but I am sure you get the picture now how non-person spirits can actually teach us something or help us in some way or another.

 

[101G]

This means Jesus isn't God.

John 175And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed.22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one—

GINOLJC, to all,
The biblical understanding of "GLORY", It refers to praise, honor, and distinction accorded to God, representing high reputation and renown. ..... also you said, "There are no examples of Jesus sharing God's exclusive glory in all of Scripture". ok, let's see if this is TRUE.
Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

"so, who is this here in revelation 4:11 who created all things that sits on the throne who receive?" remember the ONE WHO CREATED ALL THINGS, receive ..... "GLORY" and keep John chapter 17 in your mind when you give your answer, ok.

101G.

 

[Runningman]

GINOLJC, to all,
The biblical understanding of "GLORY", It refers to praise, honor, and distinction accorded to God, representing high reputation and renown. ..... also you said, "There are no examples of Jesus sharing God's exclusive glory in all of Scripture". ok, let's see if this is TRUE.
Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

"so, who is this here in revelation 4:11 who created all things that sits on the throne who receive?" remember the ONE WHO CREATED ALL THINGS, receive ..... "GLORY" and keep John chapter 17 in your mind when you give your answer, ok.

101G.

Contextually, the throne-sitter and the Lamb are distinguished one from another. So the Creator is God (easy one) because He's the throne-sitter and the Lamb is not the Creator.

Rev. 5
13And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying:
“To Him who sits on the throne
and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power
forever and ever!”

 

[101G]

Contextually, the throne-sitter and the Lamb are distinguished one from another. So the Creator is God (easy one) because He's the throne-sitter and the Lamb is not the Creator.

GINOLJC, to all
so, God sits on the throne ..... ok, question, "WHO GAVE GOD POWER?" . for, the sitter on the throne was GIVEN POWER, READ, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."
So Run, the one who sits on the throne received "POWER". so please give book chapter and verse as to who have more power than God to give God POWER? 101G will be looking for that verse.

and as for the Lamb being distinguished for the one who sits on the throne is another ERROR on your part. and here's why. was not the Lamb is the ONE who created all things? yes, let's see, Revelation 5:12 "Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing."

now the very next verse. Revelation 5:13 "And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever."

well Run, it is the LAMB A. who received "POWER", and B. Created all things. and C. Sits on the throne.

do you want to re-try your answer?

101G.

 

[JLB]

Yes an anointing is a thing. A spirit is also a thing depending on the context.

The anointing is something and Someone. The Spirit of Christ; The Anointed One.

The truth is something and Someone. The Spirit of truth.

Grace is something and Someone. The Spirit of grace.

 

[Runningman]

GINOLJC, to all
so, God sits on the throne ..... ok, question, "WHO GAVE GOD POWER?" . for, the sitter on the throne was GIVEN POWER, READ, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."
So Run, the one who sits on the throne received "POWER". so please give book chapter and verse as to who have more power than God to give God POWER? 101G will be looking for that verse.

and as for the Lamb being distinguished for the one who sits on the throne is another ERROR on your part. and here's why. was not the Lamb is the ONE who created all things? yes, let's see, Revelation 5:12 "Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing."

now the very next verse. Revelation 5:13 "And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever."

well Run, it is the LAMB A. who received "POWER", and B. Created all things. and C. Sits on the throne.

do you want to re-try your answer?

101G.

You can argue anything you wish, but you cannot unseat the throne-sitter from His throne and replace Him with someone else. Instead of finding ways to argue against the Bible, why not just agree with it?