Runningman
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I am confused about all of the verses in post #53 explicitly stating that Jesus is either at the "right hand of the throne" or "at the right hand of God?" Oh Fred, you're a funny man.
Jesus doesn't share God's exclusive glory
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synergy
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If the fact that Jesus sat down with His Father on His Father's throne is not "sharing a throne with the Father" then what is?
(Rev 3:21) To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
The Father's Right Hand is within His Throne, unless you're claiming that His Right Hand has been amputated away from His Throne.
Your previous attempt to warp the meaning of Rev 3:21 culminated in you appealing to your Mormon belief that any believer sitting on Jesus' throne makes that believer a God. We refused to believe your Mormon beliefs back then and we continue to do so now.
Runningman
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Revelation 3:21 is not about Jesus taking a permanent spot on the Father's throne.If the fact that Jesus sat down with His Father on His Father's throne is not "sharing a throne with the Father" then what is?
(Rev 3:21) To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
The Father's Right Hand is within His Throne, unless you're claiming that His Right Hand has been amputated away from His Throne.
Your previous attempt to warp the meaning of Rev 3:21 culminated in you appealing to your Mormon belief that any believer sitting on Jesus' throne makes that believer a God. We refused to believe your Mormon beliefs back then and we continue to do so now.
The Bible repeatedly says Jesus is at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12:2
“Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.”
civic
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Both on the throne
Runningman
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He who sits on the throne is singular; it's one person who is God the Father. The Lamb is also singular. Two distinct persons. One on the throne and the other isn't on the throne. Take off your Trinitarian goggles and just read it for exactly how it sounds.
synergy
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Are you saying that Jesus has a time expiration spot on the Father's Throne??? Seriously?
That's more proof that Jesus sat down with His Father on His Father's Throne.
You're a great help supporting Trinitarianism.
Keep those Trinitarian Verses coming!
BTW, I've got Jesus repeatedly sitting or standing at the Right Hand of the Father. So unless you're claiming that the Father's Right Hand has been amputated away from His Throne, Jesus is with the Father on the Father's Throne.
Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: "The LORD said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand until I place Your enemies as Your footstool."
Mark 16:19 Then indeed, after speaking to them, the Lord was taken up into Heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Luke 20:42 Even David himself says in the Book of Psalms, "The LORD said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand
Luke 22:69 From now on the Son of Man shall sit at the right hand of the power of God.
Acts 2:34 For David has not ascended into the heavens, but he says himself, "The LORD said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand
Acts 7:55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, looking up intently into Heaven, he saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
Acts 7:56 And he said, Behold, I see Heaven opened and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of God.
Rom 8:34 Who is he condemning? It is Christ who has died, but rather also who is raised, who is also at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
Eph 1:20 which He worked in Christ in raising Him from the dead, and He seated Him at His right hand in the heavenlies,
Col 3:1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is sitting at the right hand of God.
Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels, did He say at any time, "Sit on My right hand until I make Your enemies Your footstool?"
1Pet 3:22 who is at the right hand of God, having gone into Heaven, where the angels and authorities and powers are being subjected to Him.
DavidTree
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YHWH said in Isaiah 42:8, "I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols."
AMEN = John 5:19-23
So Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does. The Father loves the Son and shows Him all He does. And to your amazement, He will show Him even greater works than these.
For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom He wishes.
Furthermore, the Father judges no one, but has assigned all judgment to the Son, so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father.
Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
DavidTree
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You missed a BIG ONE in RevelationAre you saying that Jesus has a time expiration spot on the Father's Throne??? Seriously?
That's more proof that Jesus sat down with His Father on His Father's Throne.
You're a great help supporting Trinitarianism.
Keep those Trinitarian Verses coming!
BTW, I've got Jesus repeatedly sitting or standing at the Right Hand of the Father. So unless you're claiming that the Father's Right Hand has been amputated away from His Throne, Jesus is with the Father on the Father's Throne.
Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: "The LORD said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand until I place Your enemies as Your footstool."
Mark 16:19 Then indeed, after speaking to them, the Lord was taken up into Heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Luke 20:42 Even David himself says in the Book of Psalms, "The LORD said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand
Luke 22:69 From now on the Son of Man shall sit at the right hand of the power of God.
Acts 2:34 For David has not ascended into the heavens, but he says himself, "The LORD said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand
Acts 7:55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, looking up intently into Heaven, he saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
Acts 7:56 And he said, Behold, I see Heaven opened and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of God.
Rom 8:34 Who is he condemning? It is Christ who has died, but rather also who is raised, who is also at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
Eph 1:20 which He worked in Christ in raising Him from the dead, and He seated Him at His right hand in the heavenlies,
Col 3:1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is sitting at the right hand of God.
Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels, did He say at any time, "Sit on My right hand until I make Your enemies Your footstool?"
1Pet 3:22 who is at the right hand of God, having gone into Heaven, where the angels and authorities and powers are being subjected to Him.
And I looked, and behold, in the CENTER of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb
[the] center
μέσῳ (mesō)
Adjective - Dative Neuter Singular
Strong's Greek 3319: Middle, in the middle, between, in the midst of. From meta; middle (neuter) noun).
DavidTree
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Review Post 68
Runningman
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Jesus' time at the right hand of the throne of YHWH is limited. That word "until" means that Jesus will not always be there. Means Jesus is not YHWH. YHWH speaks to Jesus and told him to sit somewhere he previous never was.
Psalm 110
1 The LORD said to my Lord:
“Sit at My right hand
until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.”
Runningman
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Psalm 110:1 is still there. That word "until" does some heavy lifting.
And it still refutes your heresy.
Runningman
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Psalm 110:1 doesn't refute itself. What are you even talking about.
Runningman
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Nonsense.
Jesus' temporary Lordship as messiah and temporary position at the right hand of God is sola scriptura.
1 Corinthians 15
24Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. 25For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. 28And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.
DavidTree
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Where in Revelation is the FATHER called YHWH apart from the SON
DavidTree
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i SEE what you cannot
JESUS Standing in the Center of the Throne = no angel is permitted or he would be struck down immediately
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst/center of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders,
Stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12saying:
“Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might,
Be to our God forever and ever.
Amen.”
13Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”
14And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”
DavidTree
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Have you ever heard this before:
"the Ending of the movie was Spectacular"
or
"the Ending was the Best part"
or
"the suspense had me on edge but the Ending made it all Worthwhile"
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