Your confusion was already addressed.
https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/praying-to-jesus.2061/#post-113315
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Your confusion was already addressed.
https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/praying-to-jesus.2061/#post-113315
civic
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yepPeter applies the 'Lord' (YHWH) from Isaiah 8:13 in reference to Jesus in 1 Peter 3:15.
Thus, Jesus is to be regarded as 'holy' in that He is YHWH.
Moreover, the same Greek word for 'pray' (proseuchomai) in Matthew 6:9 is used in reference to Jesus in 1 Peter 3:12.
The 'Lord' (in context) refers to 'Christ' (1 Pet. 3:15).
Peter quotes from Psalm 34 in reference to Jesus more than once:
Psalm 34:8 -> the Lord refers to Jesus (1 Peter 2:3)
Psalm 34:15-16 -> the Lord refers to Jesus (1 Peter 3:12)
Peter quotes Psalm 34:8 (33:9 in the LXX) and applies YHWH from this passage in reference to the Lord Jesus in 1 Peter 2:3.
1 Peter 2:3-4
(3) if you have tasted the kindness of the Lord.
(4) And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God.
Bible Gateway passage: Psalm 34:8 - New American Standard Bible 1995
O taste and see that the LORD is good; How blessed is the man who takes refuge in Him!www.biblegateway.com
Later within this same epistle Peter quotes from Psalm 34 again in reference to the Lord Jesus.
1 Peter 3:12
For the eyes of the Lord are toward the righteous, and...
brightfame52
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Technically it testified to him praying to Jesus or calling upon God to receive his spirit, something reserved only for God, mans Creator, which Jesus is that as well.
Runningman
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Acts 7:59 just amounts to Stephen speaking to a man in heaven who isn't God, something that others have done in Scripture.
For example, John on earth and an elder in heaven communicate with each other. That isn't a prayer is it?
Revelation 7
13Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”
14“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”
brightfame52
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Also in 2 Cor 12:8 Paul besought, Prayed to Jesus about the removal of an affliction
For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
The word besought denotes prayer parakaleō
brightfame52
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It said stephen called on God
Runningman
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There is no mention of Jesus being the Lord that was called upon in 2 Cor. 12:8. Which version are you reading for Acts 7:59? It looks like only the KJV contains the word "God" in that verse while it is absent from other versions and absent in the Greek.
brightfame52
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The Kjv, the translators must have added it for clarification, since God is only one that can receive the spirit of a man. Another man or even an angel cant do that Acts 7:59
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
civic
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brightfame52
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There is no mention of Jesus not being Lord in 2 Cor 12, yet vs 9-10 are indicative, His Power and Grace. I believe it was the Lord Jesus Christ saying "9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
brightfame52
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So we agree on this I seeYep
Runningman
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Nothing clear about randomly calling Jesus God when he isn't or saying he was prayed to when that isn't what the Bible says. It only sows confusion and results in endless debates for thousands of years, literally.
Matthew 6:6,9 explicitly teaches to pray to the Father, for He is the only true God (John 17:1-3)
brightfame52
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Randomply ? What are you talking about ? When stephen was being stoned to death, he called on God[Lord Jesus] to receive his Spirit. Thats only a prerogative of God Ecc 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Was Stephen confused about this issue ?
Runningman
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Unlikely since the KJV's addition of the word "God" in Acts 7:59 is not actually found in the Greek textus receptus. I believe we should begin with the fact that Stephen was not calling out to God and work from there.
The fact that Stephen was praying to Jesus proves Stephen knew Jesus is God.
Runningman
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The word "prayer" or "God" doesn't exist in Acts 7:59. Actually, the word prayer is never used in conjunction with communicating with Jesus in all of Scripture. Are you tired of having to defend an indefensible position yet?
Hey runningman, I thought I saw you around again. Hope you are back to learn something.
Irrelevant.
The word "prayer" doesn't exist in Nehemiah 6:9, but it is still a prayer to God.
In fact, there is no Hebrew word for "God" in this passage either.
Thanks for making this easy for me.
Runningman
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It's relevant because it means Jesus isn't prayed to in the Bible. Jesus isn't God.
Nehemiah 6:9 refutes your confusion about prayer.
