Isaiah and the trinity

[civic]

It seems rather plain to me . There is no way to deny

Exodus 3:2–8 (LEB) — 2 And the angel of Yahweh appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush, and he looked, and there was the bush burning with fire, but the bush was not being consumed. 3 And Moses said, “Let me turn aside and see this great sight. Why does the bush not burn up?” 4 And Yahweh saw that he turned aside to see, and God called to him from the midst of the bush, and he said, “Moses, Moses.” And he said, “Here I am.” 5 And he said, “You must not come near to here. Take off your sandals from on your feet, because the place on which you are standing, it is holy ground.” 6 And he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face because he was afraid of looking at God. 7 And Yahweh said, “Surely I have seen the misery of my people who are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry of distress because of their oppressors, for I know their sufferings. 8 And I have come down to deliver them from the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up from this land to a good and wide land, to a land flowing with milk and honey, to the place of the Canaanites and the Hittites and the Amorites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites.

Isaiah 63:9–10 (UASV) — 9 In all their distress it was distressing to him, and the angel of his presence saved them; in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; he lifted them up and carried them all the days of old. 10 But they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit; therefore he turned to be their enemy, and himself fought against them.

Where the messenger of YHWH is called God, the God of Abraham. Isaac and Jacob, Yahweh

The passage clearly supports the belief there are multiple persons who are the one God of the bible

yes the evidence for our Plural God is seen in numerous OT passages. we see this in the creation account in Genesis 1. God established He is Plural right from the beginning.

 

[101G]

Arm just refers to a source of power

It could be the Father God's or it could be another's

It could be the Father or it could be Christ who is the arm

You are begging the question assuming the arm is the same in all cases

yes, the ARM of God refers to POWER, let's see who this POWER IS, 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God." well, well, well, The Lord Jesus is that POWER, (again Isaiah chapter 53).

It could be the Father God's or it could be another's

It could be the Father or it could be Christ who is the arm

are you guessing now?

You are begging the question assuming the arm is the same in all cases

same class which is the same sort, and the same one person, let get edified. G243 Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort. now according to Dictionary.com SORT: 1. a particular kind, species, variety, class, or group, distinguished by a common character or nature: 2. character, quality, or nature: BINGO class and is there anyone else beside him, in any class with him? let's check the record. Isaiah 45:6 "That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else."
that killed any trinity, or any two.

remember ..... don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures.

101G.

 

[101G]

yes the evidence for our Plural God is seen in numerous OT passages. we see this in the creation account in Genesis 1. God established He is Plural right from the beginning.

100% correct, but did men understand the Plurality correct? the term "Beginning" as well as the term "GOD" in Genesis 1:1 give us the clear understand of his Plurality. this will be the correct line of discussion. if you're willing to discuss this, 101G is game.

101G.

 

[7xLightray]

It seems rather plain to me . There is no way to deny

Exodus 3:2–8 (LEB) — 2 And the angel of Yahweh appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush, and he looked, and there was the bush burning with fire, but the bush was not being consumed. 3 And Moses said, “Let me turn aside and see this great sight. Why does the bush not burn up?” 4 And Yahweh saw that he turned aside to see, and God called to him from the midst of the bush, and he said, “Moses, Moses.” And he said, “Here I am.” 5 And he said, “You must not come near to here. Take off your sandals from on your feet, because the place on which you are standing, it is holy ground.” 6 And he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face because he was afraid of looking at God. 7 And Yahweh said, “Surely I have seen the misery of my people who are in Egypt, and I have heard their cry of distress because of their oppressors, for I know their sufferings. 8 And I have come down to deliver them from the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up from this land to a good and wide land, to a land flowing with milk and honey, to the place of the Canaanites and the Hittites and the Amorites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites.

Isaiah 63:9–10 (UASV) — 9 In all their distress it was distressing to him, and the angel of his presence saved them; in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; he lifted them up and carried them all the days of old. 10 But they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit; therefore he turned to be their enemy, and himself fought against them.

Where the messenger of YHWH is called God, the God of Abraham. Isaac and Jacob, Yahweh

The passage clearly supports the belief there are multiple persons who are the one God of the bible

Then lets take up Jn 17:3.

It says in verse 4, "and God called to him from the midst of the bush," it does not say, "And the angel of Yahweh called to him from the midst of the bush."
But again, to rebut your calm that this is a good way to count the persons of Yahweh, a similar thing is happening in Revelation 1. A angel (a messenger) is sent to John, but John hears (1:10,12) and sees Christ (1:13). And in verse 19 Jesus tells John to write what he sees and hears. Is it Jesus talking, or the Angel? Rev 1:1!
Not the best way to count the persons of Yahweh, Genesis 1-2 is, where God says this is His image!

I don't see any reason for Isaiah 63:9–10, unless you can explain why?

Did you not read in Gen 1:27, where God made two in His image? And two is multiple of persons, it's just not three!

 

[7xLightray]

If you read and go by what the scriptures state instead of your assumptions, you will find the logos is personal

He created. He was with God and he created

John 1:1–3 (LEB) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through him, and apart from him not one thing came into being that has come into being.

John 1:14–15 (LEB) — 14 And the Word became flesh and took up residence among us, and we saw his glory, glory as of the one and only from the Father, full of grace and truth. 15 John testified about him and cried out, saying, “This one was he about whom I said, ‘The one who comes after me is ahead of me, because he existed before me.’ ”

Colossians 1:16–17 (LEB) — 16 because all things in the heavens and on the earth were created by him, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers, all things were created through him and for him, 17 and he himself is before all things, and in him all things are held together,

Hebrews 1:1–12 (LEB) — 1 Although God spoke long ago in many parts and in many ways to the fathers by the prophets, 2 in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the world, 3 who is the radiance of his glory and the representation of his essence, sustaining all things by the word of power. When he had made purification for sins through him, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become by so much better than the angels, by as much as he has inherited a more excellent name than theirs. 5 For to which of the angels did he ever say, “You are my son, today I have begotten you,” and again, “I will be his father, and he will be my son”? 6 And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “And let all the angels of God worship him.” 7 And concerning the angels he says, “The one who makes his angels winds, and his servants a flame of fire,” 8 but concerning the Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of righteous is the scepter of your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; because of this God, your God, has anointed you with the olive oil of joy more than your companions. 10 And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the works of your hands; 11 they will perish, but you continue, and they will all become old like a garment, 12 and like a robe you will roll them up, and like a garment they will be changed; but you are the same, and your years will not run out.”

Philippians 2:5–7 (LEB) — 5 Think this in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, existing in the form of God, did not consider being equal with God something to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself by taking the form of a slave, by becoming in the likeness of people. And being found in appearance like a man,

Lets start there

Do you not understand this: In Jn 1 the word is referred to as a "he", but in 1 Jn 1 the word is referred to as a "that which." And this works with my doctrine not with the Trinity doctrine. If Jesus was a "what," before becoming a "who," then one could refer to the word (a "what") as a "who" after Jesus became a man, when referring back to Him when He was a "what." The reason we do that, is to connect the "who" (In this case Jesus) to the "what." And it is John who both calls the word a "who," and a "what," is John confused? No, John is the one we are to listen to.
I was a "what" before I was a "who." I was a "what," because I existed in the form of my parents.

Ya, He created, how many times are you going to repeat that. And how many time do I have to say I agree, through Christ all things were created. You showing scripture that He created, does not prove what you think. God created by His spoken word. I created that object by/through that computer. Is the computer a person? No!

None of this addresses my points. Or, answers the questions I asked.

 

[7xLightray]

Could not find what?



The spirit and the word are not the same

John 15:26–27 (KJV 1900) — 26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 16:7–11 (KJV 1900) — 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

and are clearly distinct persons



What do you think a person is?

Is God a person?

If Jesus existed in the image and form of God how is he not a person?

Could not find your post on what this was about, "and the verses I quoted which you ignored showed God is above the earth". I would like not to ignore that.

Joh 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Eph 6:17 and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God,

They are the same, and they are not the same. Maybe this will help: Air and wind, are they the same, or different?
The word is God's spoken word, which is His helper, His power, and the word that was before creation was God. Whatever is before creation is God, and God's spoken word was before creation. God is spirit, and the word was God, so the word was spirit, one spirit. And the word became man. So, Jesus is the word (God) in flesh, not spirit, yet, that was the word/spirit made flesh. But God still speaks, or He can still speak; words can still come out of His mouth.
So, when Jesus sends the spirit, He is sending God's power (which comes out of the Father Jn 15:26), Jesus does not come himself (not yet anyway), nor does He send Himself, but it is His and the Father's spirit that He sends, which spirit, that is sent, is an image of God, of His thoughts, feelings, and actions. If I sent someone my breath, or even a strand of my hair, or my clipped fingernail, it would not change me one iota. God sends His spirit/breath, and it returns to Him.

John 15:26–27 and John 16:7–11 is part of a long discourse from chapters 13-16, and Jesus says in Jn 16:25 “I have said these things to you in figures of speech. The hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figures of speech but will tell you plainly about the Father."

Flesh and spirit coming together produces a soul/person! How can Jesus, who is God, be an image of Himself? Or, How can Jesus being one person be the exact image of God, who is three persons, or even if we went with two persons that are left; Jesus (one person) is the exact image of a part of God (the remaining two)?
If Jesus is the image, and the image is the nature, or essence of God, and we are talking about before creation, then that speaks to me that Jesus is the image (duplicate) of God's thoughts, feelings, actions, and spirit.

Yes!

Because He was a "image" and a "form!" The spoken word of God is in the form of God, which is spirit, light, and is His image: Deu 4:12 Then the LORD spoke to you out of the midst of the fire. You heard the sound of words, but saw no form; there was only a voice. - This is the image of the invisible God!
Maybe this may help, grass and trees are living, but they are not persons. If you describe one, it could sound like a person. Like they search for water and find it, and it is believed they, or some trees, can communicate with each other. God's word is living, and far greater than creation, it created creation. Do you not believe in the mighty power of God?

 

[7xLightray]

yes the evidence for our Plural God is seen in numerous OT passages. we see this in the creation account in Genesis 1. God established He is Plural right from the beginning.

Yup! And it is two, says God! Not three!
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

 

[TomL]

Could not find your post on what this was about, "and the verses I quoted which you ignored showed God is above the earth". I would like not to ignore that.

Why not? I did

Deuteronomy 4:39 (LEB) — 39 So you shall acknowledge today, and you must call to mind that Yahweh is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath. There is no other God.

Deuteronomy 5:8 (LEB) — 8 ‘You shall not make for yourself a divine image of any type of form that is in the heaven above or that is on the earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth.

Joshua 2:11 (LEB) — 11 We heard this, and our hearts melted, and no courage was left in anyone because of your presence. For Yahweh your God is God in the heavens above and on the earth below.

1 Kings 8:23 (LEB) — 23 and he said, “O Yahweh, God of Israel, there is no god like you in the heavens above or on the earth beneath, keeping the covenant and the loyal love for your servants who are walking before you with all their heart.

Joh 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Eph 6:17 and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God,

It seems you have ignored the verses I posted which distinuish Christ from the Spirit

but here are a couple which distinguish them

John 14:16–17 (LEB) — 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, in order that he may be with you forever—17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it does not see him or know him. You know him, because he resides with you and will be in you.

John 16:7–15 (LEB) — 7 But I tell you the truth, it is better for you that I go away. For if I do not go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me, 10 and concerning righteousness, because I am going away to the Father and you will see me no more, 11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been condemned. 12 I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. 13 But when he—the Spirit of truth—comes, he will guide you into all the truth. For he will not speak from himself, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will proclaim to you the things to come. 14 He will glorify me, because he will take from what is mine and will proclaim it to you. 15 Everything that the Father has is mine. For this reason I said that he takes from what is mine and will proclaim it to you.

They are the same, and they are not the same. Maybe this will help: Air and wind, are they the same, or different?
The word is God's spoken word, which is His helper, His power, and the word that was before creation was God. Whatever is before creation is God, and God's spoken word was before creation. God is spirit, and the word was God, so the word was spirit, one spirit. And the word became man. So, Jesus is the word (God) in flesh, not spirit, yet, that was the word/spirit made flesh. But God still speaks, or He can still speak; words can still come out of His mouth.

I posted this showing the pre-incarnate Christ was personal

Philippians 2:5–8 (LEB) — 5 Think this in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, existing in the form of God, did not consider being equal with God something to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself by taking the form of a slave, by becoming in the likeness of people. And being found in appearance like a man, 8 he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, that is, death on a cross.

Before he emptied himself he existed in the form of God. He was able to consider and think and humble himself

You failed to address this

So, when Jesus sends the spirit, He is sending God's power (which comes out of the Father Jn 15:26), Jesus does not come himself (not yet anyway), nor does He send Himself, but it is His and the Father's spirit that He sends, which spirit, that is sent, is an image of God, of His thoughts, feelings, and actions. If I sent someone my breath, or even a strand of my hair, or my clipped fingernail, it would not change me one iota. God sends His spirit/breath, and it returns to Him.

The Spirit is personal he speaks, he hears, he convicts, he guides

John 16:8–15 (LEB) — 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me, 10 and concerning righteousness, because I am going away to the Father and you will see me no more, 11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been condemned. 12 I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. 13 But when he—the Spirit of truth—comes, he will guide you into all the truth. For he will not speak from himself, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will proclaim to you the things to come. 14 He will glorify me, because he will take from what is mine and will proclaim it to you. 15 Everything that the Father has is mine. For this reason I said that he takes from what is mine and will proclaim it to you.

these are are personal attributes your theology cannot account for

John 15:26–27 and John 16:7–11 is part of a long discourse from chapters 13-16, and Jesus says in Jn 16:25 “I have said these things to you in figures of speech. The hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figures of speech but will tell you plainly about the Father."

Flesh and spirit coming together produces a soul/person! How can Jesus, who is God, be an image of Himself? Or, How can Jesus being one person be the exact image of God, who is three persons, or even if we went with two persons that are left; Jesus (one person) is the exact image of a part of God (the remaining two)?
If Jesus is the image, and the image is the nature, or essence of God, and we are talking about before creation, then that speaks to me that Jesus is the image (duplicate) of God's thoughts, feelings, actions, and spirit.

When the word God is mentioned it can be a reference to any of the three persons or all three

The bible clearly teaches

Colossians 1:15 (LEB) — 15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation,

Hebrews 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Jesus is the exact image of Gd's person

Yes!

Because He was a "image" and a "form!" The spoken word of God is in the form of God, which is spirit, light, and is His image: Deu 4:12 Then the LORD spoke to you out of the midst of the fire. You heard the sound of words, but saw no form; there was only a voice. - This is the image of the invisible God!
Maybe this may help, grass and trees are living, but they are not persons. If you describe one, it could sound like a person. Like they search for water and find it, and it is believed they, or some trees, can communicate with each other. God's word is living, and far greater than creation, it created creation. Do you not believe in the mighty power of God?

That is no help at all grass and trees bear no resemblance to the angel of the lord who is seen multiple times

Hagar (Gen 16:13), Jacob (Gen 32:30), and Moses (Ex 33:11) are said to have “seen God face to face” in view of their confrontation with this angel.

 

[TomL]

Do you not understand this: In Jn 1 the word is referred to as a "he", but in 1 Jn 1 the word is referred to as a "that which." And this works with my doctrine not with the Trinity doctrine. If Jesus was a "what," before becoming a "who," then one could refer to the word (a "what") as a "who" after Jesus became a man, when referring back to Him when He was a "what." The reason we do that, is to connect the "who" (In this case Jesus) to the "what." And it is John who both calls the word a "who," and a "what," is John confused? No, John is the one we are to listen to.
I was a "what" before I was a "who." I was a "what," because I existed in the form of my parents.

Ya, He created, how many times are you going to repeat that. And how many time do I have to say I agree, through Christ all things were created. You showing scripture that He created, does not prove what you think. God created by His spoken word. I created that object by/through that computer. Is the computer a person? No!

None of this addresses my points. Or, answers the questions I asked.

1Johm 1:1 is speaking of an attribute of christ - that of eternal life

and you have not addressed this which cannot be attributed to an impersonal thing

Philippians 2:5–8 (LEB) — 5 Think this in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, existing in the form of God, did not consider being equal with God something to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself by taking the form of a slave, by becoming in the likeness of people. And being found in appearance like a man, 8 he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, that is, death on a cross.

here Christ before becoming man had existed in the form of god, he was able to think and consider and chose to make himself less

 

[TomL]

Then lets take up Jn 17:3.

It says in verse 4, "and God called to him from the midst of the bush," it does not say, "And the angel of Yahweh called to him from the midst of the bush."
But again, to rebut your calm that this is a good way to count the persons of Yahweh, a similar thing is happening in Revelation 1. A angel (a messenger) is sent to John, but John hears (1:10,12) and sees Christ (1:13). And in verse 19 Jesus tells John to write what he sees and hears. Is it Jesus talking, or the Angel? Rev 1:1!
Not the best way to count the persons of Yahweh, Genesis 1-2 is, where God says this is His image!

I don't see any reason for Isaiah 63:9–10, unless you can explain why?

Did you not read in Gen 1:27, where God made two in His image? And two is multiple of persons, it's just not three!

Um it was the angel of the Lord who appeared in the bush

Exodus 3:2 (LEB) — 2 And the angel of Yahweh appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush, and he looked, and there was the bush burning with fire, but the bush was not being consumed.

The angel (messenger) was God

Exodus 3:4–6 (LEB) — 4 And Yahweh saw that he turned aside to see, and God called to him from the midst of the bush, and he said, “Moses, Moses.” And he said, “Here I am.” 5 And he said, “You must not come near to here. Take off your sandals from on your feet, because the place on which you are standing, it is holy ground.” 6 And he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face because he was afraid of looking at God.

 

[TomL]

yes, the ARM of God refers to POWER, let's see who this POWER IS, 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God." well, well, well, The Lord Jesus is that POWER, (again Isaiah chapter 53).

are you guessing now?

same class which is the same sort, and the same one person, let get edified. G243 Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort. now according to Dictionary.com SORT: 1. a particular kind, species, variety, class, or group, distinguished by a common character or nature: 2. character, quality, or nature: BINGO class and is there anyone else beside him, in any class with him? let's check the record. Isaiah 45:6 "That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else."
that killed any trinity, or any two.

remember ..... don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures.

101G.

Again you simply assume arm necessitates the same person

101G assumes his views apart from the scriptures

 

[101G]

Again you simply assume arm necessitates the same person

101G assumes his views apart from the scriptures

again, personal opinions? again argue with the scriptures.

101G.

 

[TomL]

again, personal opinions? again argue with the scriptures.

101G.

Not the scriptures but your assumptions regarding the scripture

 

[101G]

Not the scriptures but your assumptions regarding the scripture

again, another personal opinion? never assume, nor add or take away from the scriptures. so never assume the scriptures. and never argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures.

101G.

 

[TomL]

again, another personal opinion? never assume, nor add or take away from the scriptures. so never assume the scriptures. and never argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures.

101G.

yes your personal interpretation of the scriptures which have not found formal acceptance anywhere

 

[101G]

yes your personal interpretation of the scriptures which have not found formal acceptance anywhere

Personal interpretation..... lol, Oh boy.... listen 2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." 2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

BUT, BUT, you cannot understand 101G because, Proverbs 1:5 "A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:" Proverbs 1:6 "To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings."

101G (the anti-christ)

 

[7xLightray]

Why not? I did

Deuteronomy 4:39 (LEB) — 39 So you shall acknowledge today, and you must call to mind that Yahweh is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath. There is no other God.

Deuteronomy 5:8 (LEB) — 8 ‘You shall not make for yourself a divine image of any type of form that is in the heaven above or that is on the earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth.

Joshua 2:11 (LEB) — 11 We heard this, and our hearts melted, and no courage was left in anyone because of your presence. For Yahweh your God is God in the heavens above and on the earth below.

1 Kings 8:23 (LEB) — 23 and he said, “O Yahweh, God of Israel, there is no god like you in the heavens above or on the earth beneath, keeping the covenant and the loyal love for your servants who are walking before you with all their heart.

Okay, thanks! Cause I was looking for, or expecting, something in Genesis, from the beginning, from the foundations of the world, upon the circle of the earth, as Isa 40:18-22 directs us to. As I've been repeatedly pointing out, and asking for, and you knew this. So, why did you covertly plant those verse, with this being your only comment "God without distinction," knowing they were not from Genesis? Then you tell me that you already showed me, and then accuse me of ignoring them, and then question why I could not find them! Why would/should I trust you to teach me?

Genesis is what I was looking for, because that is were we are told to look, and you also mentioned further back in post #41, "The Spirit is not mentioned and all that is God - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is above the earth," so, where does it say that in the creation story of Genesis? Are you going to make yourself clear on how you understand Isa 40:18-22 with Gen 1-2 (just make one post on them)? We are talking about Genesis 1-2 and Isa 40:18-22, and that is when, and where, you need the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit upon the circle of earth, in the creation story of Genesis, not some other time!

This all started, because you plopped this down on me (Post#34, and "God without distinction" is your full comment), without any explanation. I did not know what "God without distinction," and those verses, had to do with Genesis, but I left you a quick comment on them, "Well maybe this, how did God come down from heaven, then?"


Me, Post#33: And you still have not explained! I'm waiting for you to teach me! Deflection! I don't think you can!
Yes, about your doctrine, until you clear it up.
Did not say the spirit was mentioned in Isa 40:18. What I did say is it points to, and refers to, Gen 1:2 which is the spirit of God. You twisted the word "referring" into the word "mention."
Again, did not say the spirit was mentioned in Isa 40:18. What I did say is it points to, and refers to, Gen 1:2 which is the spirit of God. Again, you twisted the word "referring" into the word "mention."
Point out in Gen 1 where there is anyone else mentioned above the circle of the earth, or over the face of the waters?
Again, Who do you say this refers to Isa 40:22 "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth.." explained with scripture to back it up.
TomL, Post#34 God without distinction
Deuteronomy 4:39 (LEB) — 39 So you shall acknowledge today, and you must call to mind that Yahweh is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath. There is no other God.
Deuteronomy 5:8 (LEB) — 8 ‘You shall not make for yourself a divine image of any type of form that is in the heaven above or that is on the earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth.
Joshua 2:11 (LEB) — 11 We heard this, and our hearts melted, and no courage was left in anyone because of your presence. For Yahweh your God is God in the heavens above and on the earth below.
1 Kings 8:23 (LEB) — 23 and he said, “O Yahweh, God of Israel, there is no god like you in the heavens above or on the earth beneath, keeping the covenant and the loyal love for your servants who are walking before you with all their heart.
Me, Post#38: What is "God without distinction" for? What's the connection? What does this have to do with Isa 40:18-22, or Genesis 1-2?
Can we deal with Isa 40:18-22, instead of these hit and runs, with no explanation.
Well maybe this, how did God come down from heaven, then?
If you do not want this discussion, just say so! I don't want to force this on you. I just wanted to point something out, but you don't seem willing to receive, or be open. That's fine, your choice.
TomL, Post#41: The Spirit is not mentioned and all that is God - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is above the earth
Me, Post#42: This is all I read, "And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters." I do not read in Genesis 1:2 the word "God" alone, nor "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit," all I read is "the Spirit of God."
TomL, Post#46: Yes the Spirit is mentioned in Genesis but not the spirit alone
In the Book of Genesis one can find Father, Son and Holy Spirit
TomL, Post#47: Already showed you God with no distinction in persons is above the circle of the earth
Me, Post#49: You did not show they were above the earth.
Gen 1:26-27 does not show, "God with no distinction in persons is above the circle of the earth."
TomL, Post#50: and the verses I quoted which you ignored showed God is above the earth
Me, Post#53: I did a search, could not find it. And asking for you to point it out.
TomL, Post#58: Could not find what?
Me, Post#66: Could not find your post on what this was about, "and the verses I quoted which you ignored showed God is above the earth". I would like not to ignore that.
TomL, Post#68: Why not? I did
Deuteronomy 4:39 (LEB) — 39 So you shall acknowledge today, and you must call to mind that Yahweh is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath. There is no other God.
Deuteronomy 5:8 (LEB) — 8 ‘You shall not make for yourself a divine image of any type of form that is in the heaven above or that is on the earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth.
Joshua 2:11 (LEB) — 11 We heard this, and our hearts melted, and no courage was left in anyone because of your presence. For Yahweh your God is God in the heavens above and on the earth below.
1 Kings 8:23 (LEB) — 23 and he said, “O Yahweh, God of Israel, there is no god like you in the heavens above or on the earth beneath, keeping the covenant and the loyal love for your servants who are walking before you with all their heart.

I've been asking, and are asking, and Isa 40:18-22 is asking, not from any time, not from any place, but from the creation story in Genesis! And you are sending everything but Genesis! Not one of these verses are from Genesis.
We could end so much confusion, if you would simply tell me how you understand Isa 40:18-22 with Gen 1-2.

I'll comment on those verses in another post, but leave this for now; Jesus is going to be above the earth shortly too, but that is in the future, not Genesis!

 

[TomL]

Okay, thanks! Cause I was looking for, or expecting, something in Genesis, from the beginning, from the foundations of the world, upon the circle of the earth, as Isa 40:18-22 directs us to. As I've been repeatedly pointing out, and asking for, and you knew this. So, why did you covertly plant those verse, with this being your only comment "God without distinction," knowing they were not from Genesis? Then you tell me that you already showed me, and then accuse me of ignoring them, and then question why I could not find them! Why would/should I trust you to teach me?

Seriously? Covertly?

All that is God is above the earth

Isa 48:12-22 does not direct us to the spirit alone

but

Genesis 1:1 (LEB) — 1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth—

Are the heaven not above the earth?

Genesis 1:1–5 (LEB) — 1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth— 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. 3 And God said, “Let there be light!” And there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good, and God caused there to be a separation between the light and between the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

Do you not read God and the Spirit of God?

Genesis 1:26 (LEB) — 26 And God said, “Let us make humankind in our image and according to our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of heaven, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every moving thing that moves upon the earth.”

Do you not see the plurals?

Genesis is what I was looking for, because that is were we are told to look, and you also mentioned further back in post #41, "The Spirit is not mentioned and all that is God - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is above the earth," so, where does it say that in the creation story of Genesis? Are you going to make yourself clear on how you understand Isa 40:18-22 with Gen 1-2 (just make one post on them)? We are talking about Genesis 1-2 and Isa 40:18-22, and that is when, and where, you need the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit upon the circle of earth, in the creation story of Genesis, not some other time!

Oh so if scripture is written how you expect where you expect it is not valid?

Does the bible not say Jesus was from above

John 3:31–36 (LEB) — 31 The one who comes from above is over all. The one who is from the earth is from the earth and speaks from the earth; the one who comes from heaven is over all. 32 What he has seen and heard, this he testifies, and no one accepts his testimony. 33 The one who accepts his testimony has attested that God is true. 34 For the one whom God sent speaks the words of God, for he does not give the Spirit by measure. 35 The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand. 36 The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who disobeys the Son will not see life—but the wrath of God remains on him.

The Father from above?

James 1:17 (LEB) — 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of change.

This all started, because you plopped this down on me (Post#34, and "God without distinction" is your full comment), without any explanation. I did not know what "God without distinction," and those verses, had to do with Genesis, but I left you a quick comment on them, "Well maybe this, how did God come down from heaven, then?"

God without distinction is not limited to just one person of the godhead but includes all that is God

 

[TomL]

Personal interpretation..... lol, Oh boy.... listen 2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." 2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

BUT, BUT, you cannot understand 101G because, Proverbs 1:5 "A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:" Proverbs 1:6 "To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings."

101G (the anti-christ)

So why do you do it

As I noted

"your personal interpretation of the scriptures which have not found formal acceptance anywhere"

Hello Your only I am right, and the whole world is wrong attitude is never sustainable

 

[101G]

Seriously? Covertly?

All that is God is above the earth

Isa 48:12-22 does not direct us to the spirit alone

but

Genesis 1:1 (LEB) — 1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth—

Are the heaven not above the earth?

God is the Spirit in Genesis 1:2. did you not read? John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." and there is only "ONE" Spirit.

101G. (the anti-christ)