Is the word all ever used in a restricted sense ?

[TomL]

You did not answer the question that I actually asked:

• If the “world” is “all without distinction” rather than “all without exception”, meaning “some from every nation, tribe, tongue and people” (as Revelation 5 describes will happen), do the verses still make sense or do they no longer function?

That is typically a sign that someone is "waiting to speak" rather than "listening".
Are you just "waiting to speak"?

Read the verse

It should be pretty clear

John 12:47 (NASB95) — 47 “If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

Christ came to provide a means of salvation for all without exception

To receive the salvation men must believe

 

[TomL]

What about Judas (the son of perdition) who Jesus said MUST be lost?

[As long as we are in "splitting hairs over the word 'all'" mode]

Christ body and blood was offered even for Judas

Luke 22:19–23 (LEB) — 19 And he took bread, and after giving thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 20 And in the same way the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood which is poured out for you. 21 “But behold, the hand of the one who is betraying me is with me on the table! 22 For the Son of Man is going according to what has been determined, but woe to that man by whom he is betrayed!” 23 And they began to debate with one another who then of them it could be who was going to do this.

 

[TomL]

@TomL



This is a false gospel. Nothing in all scripture states salvation is made available at all should they believe !

try again

John 3:14–17 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.” 16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world in order that he should judge the world, but in order that the world should be saved through him.

 

[brightfame52]

try again

John 3:14–17 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.” 16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world in order that he should judge the world, but in order that the world should be saved through him.

Nothing in all scripture states salvation is made available at all should they believe !

 

[TomL]

Nothing in all scripture states salvation is made available at all should they believe !

You can't read

John 3:14–17 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.” 16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world in order that he should judge the world, but in order that the world should be saved through him.

 

[TomL]

@tpollard


Im not talking about the preaching of the Gospel to all, but the poster said salvation is made available, that's false. Salvation is something accomplished by the Person and Work of Christ and it saved them He died for. Nothing at all about salvation being made available, that's conditional talk my friend. He is saying everyone has an opportunity to get saved if the exercise faith and believe. Is that what you believe and agree with ? If you do, Im shocked

Most in the bible shocks you

Salvation is available to all who believe

John 3:16For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
Acts 16:31And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”
Rom 10:9–10that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.
Eph 2:8–9For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast.
Mark 16:16The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.
Rom 1:16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
John 6:47Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes has eternal life.
Christ came to provide salvation for all
John 12:47 (LEB) — 47 And if anyone hears my words and does not observe them, I will not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

But if one does not believe then

John 12:48 (LEB) — 48 The one who rejects me and does not accept my words has one who judges him; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.

 

[TomL]

If the “world” is “all without distinction” rather than “all without exception”, meaning “some from every nation, tribe, tongue and people” (as Revelation 5 describes will happen), do the verses still make sense or do they no longer function?

That has the advantage that Jesus fails in a goal to save “all without exception” (world), but succeeds in a goal to save “all without distinction” (world).

That simply is not the meaning of world

John 12:47 (LEB) — 47 And if anyone hears my words and does not observe them, I will not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

Any who does not hear is one Christ came to not judge but save

 

[TomL]

You did not answer the question that I actually asked:

• If the “world” is “all without distinction” rather than “all without exception”, meaning “some from every nation, tribe, tongue and people” (as Revelation 5 describes will happen), do the verses still make sense or do they no longer function?

That is typically a sign that someone is "waiting to speak" rather than "listening".
Are you just "waiting to speak"?

World here does not mean anything less than all without exception

John 12:47 (LEB) — 47 And if anyone hears my words and does not observe them, I will not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

Any who hears and does not believe is clearly a part of the world Christ does not judge at this time

 

[brightfame52]

You can't read

John 3:14–17 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.” 16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world in order that he should judge the world, but in order that the world should be saved through him.

Nothing in all scripture states salvation is made available at all should they believe !

 

[TomL]

Nothing in all scripture states salvation is made available at all should they believe !

Scripture you refuse shows otherwise

John 3:14–17 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.” 16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world in order that he should judge the world, but in order that the world should be saved through him.

 

[brightfame52]

Most in the bible shocks you

Salvation is available to all who believe

John 3:16For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
Acts 16:31And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”
Rom 10:9–10that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.
Eph 2:8–9For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast.
Mark 16:16The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.
Rom 1:16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
John 6:47Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes has eternal life.
Christ came to provide salvation for all
John 12:47 (LEB) — 47 And if anyone hears my words and does not observe them, I will not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world.

But if one does not believe then

John 12:48 (LEB) — 48 The one who rejects me and does not accept my words has one who judges him; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.

Nowhere is salvation ever to be said to be made available to anybody. Thats a man made doctrine. Salvation/eternal life is given to the ones God the Father gave to His Son, that's the Covenant Jn 17:2

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life[eternal salvation] to as many as thou hast given him.

 

[brightfame52]

Scripture you refuse shows otherwise

John 3:14–17 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.” 16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world in order that he should judge the world, but in order that the world should be saved through him.

Nothing in all scripture states salvation is made available at all should they believe !

 

[TomL]

Nothing in all scripture states salvation is made available at all should they believe !

You can't read

John 3:14–17 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.” 16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world in order that he should judge the world, but in order that the world should be saved through him.

 

[TomL]

Nothing in all scripture states salvation is made available at all should they believe !

Again you do not believe scripture

John 3:16 (LEB) — 16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

 

[brightfame52]

You can't read

John 3:14–17 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.” 16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world in order that he should judge the world, but in order that the world should be saved through him.

Nothing in all scripture states salvation is made available at all should they believe !

 

[TomL]

Nothing in all scripture states salvation is made available at all should they believe !

You still cannot read scripture

John 3:14–17 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.” 16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world in order that he should judge the world, but in order that the world should be saved through him.

 

[brightfame52]

You still cannot read scripture

John 3:14–17 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.” 16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world in order that he should judge the world, but in order that the world should be saved through him.

Nothing in all scripture states salvation is made available at all should they believe !

 

[TomL]

Nothing in all scripture states salvation is made available at all should they believe !

scripture points out your falsdehoods

John 3:14–17 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.” 16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world in order that he should judge the world, but in order that the world should be saved through him.

 

[brightfame52]

scripture points out your falsdehoods

John 3:14–17 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.” 16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world in order that he should judge the world, but in order that the world should be saved through him.

Nothing in all scripture states salvation is made available at all should they believe ! Salvation is given by Christ to them the Father has given Him

 

[TomL]

Nothing in all scripture states salvation is made available at all should they believe ! Salvation is given by Christ to them the Father has given Him

You have problems reading

John 3:14–17 (LEB) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, thus it is necessary that the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.” 16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world in order that he should judge the world, but in order that the world should be saved through him.
John 12:47 (LEB) — 47 And if anyone hears my words and does not observe them, I will not judge him. For I have not come to judge the world, but to save the world.