Is the word all ever used in a restricted sense ?

Any Scripture reference as to your statement that God hates people created in His Imago Dei?

J.
Man was created in Gods Image, but when He sinned, it died with him, now only the regenerated man is in Gods image, thats how you know Gods love you, if He regenerates you into His Image Eph 4:24

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Col 310

10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Mans fallen nature is in the image of the devil
 
In other words, you make it up as you go along. No need for the biblical language needed!

Doug
You dont believe Truth is spiritually discerned ? 1 Cor 2:13-14

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

All Truth I may speak isnt going to be in catch words, but discerned because of having spiritual understanding
 
God loved the world in this way; he gave his one and only son so that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

There is no mention, hint, or implication of ἐκλογή, or any limitation to the scope of κόσμος.

Doug

Amen it’s all inclusive not just for a few select ones.
 
You dont believe Truth is spiritually discerned ? 1 Cor 2:13-14

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

All Truth I may speak isnt going to be in catch words, but discerned because of having spiritual understanding
No, I believe in spiritual discernment. I just don’t think that you have discerned correctly.

Doug
 
Man was created in Gods Image, but when He sinned, it died with him, now only the regenerated man is in Gods image, thats how you know Gods love you, if He regenerates you into His Image Eph 4:24

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Col 310

10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Mans fallen nature is in the image of the devil
No such thing as the image of God leaving/ departing from man. ( you made that up ) Man is still created/ made in the image of God which is why man can be redeemed , saved.
 
Man was created in Gods Image, but when He sinned, it died with him, now only the regenerated man is in Gods image, thats how you know Gods love you, if He regenerates you into His Image Eph 4:24

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Col 310

10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Mans fallen nature is in the image of the devil
Here's my reading of the text, I do not believe in election and damnation of those not elect and furthermore, I believe that regeneration and faith happened together, indissolubly, in that one stupendous 2Aorist moment when we were quickened by the Holy Spirit.

So it's not a question what precedes what, speaking from my own experience.


Joh 3:16 God’s Love for the World
For in this way/manner God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world in order that he should judge [Or “he should condemn”] the world, but in order that the world should be saved through him.
Joh 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, [Or “condemned”] but the one who does not believe has already been judged, [Or “been condemned”] because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the judgment: that the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For everyone who practices evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds be exposed.

Joh 3:21 But the one who practices the truth comes to the light, in order that his deeds may be revealed, that they are done in God.

NOTHING here re the elect.


2Co_1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Eph_1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30 (KJV) — “And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”

This verse calls believers to live in such a way that we do not bring sorrow to the Holy Spirit, who is both the seal and guarantee of our final redemption in Christ. The command implies that the Spirit is personally affected by our conduct, indicating divine sensitivity to moral and relational failure—especially in the context of unity, speech, and conduct among believers (cf. Eph. 4:25–32).

As for fallen, unregenerate man, the fact that humanity is in a state of sin and spiritual death (Eph. 2:1) does not mean that the image of God (Imago Dei) has been utterly erased or destroyed. It is true that sin has marred, distorted, and defaced that image—but it has not annihilated it. The doctrine of the Imago Dei affirms that every human being, even in their fallen condition, bears a residual reflection of the divine likeness as intended in Genesis 1:26–27.

“Let us make man in our image, after our likeness…” (Gen. 1:26)

This image is ontological and relational—it refers not only to reason, conscience, and will, but also to the capacity for moral awareness, relationships, and communion with God. Though obscured by sin, this imprint remains foundational to human dignity and accountability.

Moreover, Colossians 1:15 tells us that Christ is the image of the invisible God—and in redemptive history, He is the one who restores the marred image through the gospel. Paul echoes this in Romans 8:29, stating that believers are being conformed to the image of God's Son. Thus, redemption in Christ does not create the image anew from nothing, but rather restores and perfects what has been damaged by the Fall.

Therefore, to say that the unregenerate still carry the Imago Dei—however marred—is not to negate their fallenness, but to affirm that they remain image-bearers who can be held accountable by God, are capable of responding to His call, and retain intrinsic worth rooted in creation, not performance.


J.
 
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Here's my reading of the text, I do not believe in election and damnation of those not elect and furthermore, I believe that regeneration and faith happened together, indissolubly, in that one stupendous 2Aorist moment when we were quickened by the Holy Spirit.

So it's not a question what precedes what, speaking from my own experience.


Joh 3:16 God’s Love for the World
For in this way/manner God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world in order that he should judge [Or “he should condemn”] the world, but in order that the world should be saved through him.
Joh 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, [Or “condemned”] but the one who does not believe has already been judged, [Or “been condemned”] because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the judgment: that the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For everyone who practices evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds be exposed.

Joh 3:21 But the one who practices the truth comes to the light, in order that his deeds may be revealed, that they are done in God.


2Co_1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Eph_1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30 (KJV) — “And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”

This verse calls believers to live in such a way that we do not bring sorrow to the Holy Spirit, who is both the seal and guarantee of our final redemption in Christ. The command implies that the Spirit is personally affected by our conduct, indicating divine sensitivity to moral and relational failure—especially in the context of unity, speech, and conduct among believers (cf. Eph. 4:25–32).

As for fallen, unregenerate man, the fact that humanity is in a state of sin and spiritual death (Eph. 2:1) does not mean that the image of God (Imago Dei) has been utterly erased or destroyed. It is true that sin has marred, distorted, and defaced that image—but it has not annihilated it. The doctrine of the Imago Dei affirms that every human being, even in their fallen condition, bears a residual reflection of the divine likeness as intended in Genesis 1:26–27.

“Let us make man in our image, after our likeness…” (Gen. 1:26)

This image is ontological and relational—it refers not only to reason, conscience, and will, but also to the capacity for moral awareness, relationships, and communion with God. Though obscured by sin, this imprint remains foundational to human dignity and accountability.

Moreover, Colossians 1:15 tells us that Christ is the image of the invisible God—and in redemptive history, He is the one who restores the marred image through the gospel. Paul echoes this in Romans 8:29, stating that believers are being conformed to the image of God's Son. Thus, redemption in Christ does not create the image anew from nothing, but rather restores and perfects what has been damaged by the Fall.

Therefore, to say that the unregenerate still carry the Imago Dei—however marred—is not to negate their fallenness, but to affirm that they remain image-bearers who can be held accountable by God, are capable of responding to His call, and retain intrinsic worth rooted in creation, not performance.


J.
You entitled to your opinion, you know what mine is
 
Did God hate the majority of the world when He drowned and suffocated everyone except 8 people
Different context and reasoning. Again, if the Holy Spirit had intended to say what you suggest, then that would be easily done. He would need only have qualified “the world” with something like “of the elect”.

He didn’t!


Doug
 
Different context and reasoning. Again, if the Holy Spirit had intended to say what you suggest, then that would be easily done. He would need only have qualified “the world” with something like “of the elect”.

He didn’t!


Doug
Did Noah put on the ark, smile God Loves you while He destroys you from the face of the earth
 
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