Is open Theism biblical

[Presby02]

You still have not addressed the atonement verses

but are you affirming it means permit or enable?

No. I don't permit or enable permission. I grant it.

 

[TomL]

No. I don't permit or enable permission. I grant it.

In a previous discussion

Grant does not mean to infuse or effectually cause

Permit, allow, enable however is



if faith is a gift from God, how could demonic activity restrict the faith of some (Luke 8:12; 2 Cor 4:4)? Why is it harder for some people to believe than others (cf. Titus 1:12-13)? Why was Jesus sometimes amazed at people’s lack of faith (Matt 8:26; 14:31; 16:8)?
Why did god praise great faith (Matt 8:10 Luke 7:9)?

None of these questions have good answers if faith is a gift of God.

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Grant also means to give such as I grant you permission.

Did you not just infer permit, allow, enable were valid meanings

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[Presby02]

In a previous discussion


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Did you not just infer permit, allow, enable were valid meanings

s

Never said it meant to

In a previous discussion


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Did you not just infer permit, allow, enable were valid meanings

s

Nope. Keep trying. So far a big fat FAIL.

 

[TomL]

Never said it meant to




Nope. Keep trying. So far a big fat FAIL.

Rather it seemed you affirmed those as possible meanings

 

[Presby02]

Rather it seemed you affirmed those as possible meanings

Keep telling yourself that champ

 

[TomL]

Keep telling yourself that champ

Keep telling yourself you did not

What does the word also mean?

 

[Presby02]

Keep telling yourself you did not

What does the word also mean?

Proof is in the pudding. So far the bowl is dirt dry.

 

[101G]

NO Open Theism. and here's why..... Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"

101G.

 

[TomL]

NO Open Theism. and here's why..... Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"

101G.

UM nothing there states it is God's pleasure to determine everything

hello

 

[Presby02]

UM nothing there states it is God's pleasure to determine everything

hello

Could God stop anything that is about to occur?

 

[TomL]

Could God stop anything that is about to occur?

God can do whatever he likes

 

[Presby02]

God can do whatever he likes

So He has determined all things then whether actively or passively.

Thanks. End of discussion.

 

[TomL]

So He has determined all things then whether actively or passively.

Thanks. End of discussion.

Sorry you beg the question

Failure to determine a thing is not determining it

 

[Presby02]

Sorry you beg the question

Failure to determine a thing is not determining it

He could stop anything He wanted to. You can will to rob a bank but that does not mean He has to allow you to do so. He also controls all contingencies ans situations you find yourself in. Contingencies and situations which your choice are based upon.

 

[TomL]

He could stop anything He wanted to. You can will to rob a bank but that does not mean He has to allow you to do so. He also controls all contingencies ans situations you find yourself in. Contingencies and situations which your choice are based upon.

Sorry, non involvement does not determine a thing

Your claim makes no sense

 

[Presby02]

Sorry, non involvement does not determine a thing

Your claim makes no sense

No one said anything about involvement. Do you agree God could stop any decision that you make? Is God in control of any and all contingencies or situations in which your choices are made? Let me help. Yup. Acts 4:27,28 being the prime example.

My claim makes perfectly good sense.

 

[TomL]

No one said anything about involvement. Do you agree God could stop any decision that you make? Is God in control of any and all contingencies or situations in which your choices are made? Let me help. Yup. Acts 4:27,28 being the prime example.

My claim makes perfectly good sense.

Wake up

Not doing anything is non involvement

You are simply begging the question assuming the future is fully known

 

[Presby02]

Wake up

Not doing anything is non involvement

You are simply begging the question assuming the future is fully known

You said God can do anything. That would include knowing the future no? OPPS

 

[TomL]

You said God can do anything. That would include knowing the future no? OPPS

Do and know are different things

The future does not yet exist

Forget fatalism

 

[Presby02]

Do and know are different things

The future does not yet exist

Forget fatalism

In the mind of God it does. He knows "the end".