Is Jesus the Christ a human Person?

[civic]

I’m not against it and no one has to answer to me, they stand and will give an account to God. I can present what I believe to be true in the Bible and it’s up to the reader and God to convict others if it’s true or not. No two people in the world believe exactly alike on everything in the Bible.

 

[Matthias]

Whatever that means

If the details don’t matter then go ahead and call me a trinitarian too.

 

[civic]

I’m not here to condemn anyone but to encourage people to be good Bereans. Everyone will give an an account to God for every word they say.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Matthias]

I’m not here to condemn anyone but to encourage people to be good Bereans. Everyone will give an an account to God for every word they say.

hope this helps !!!

You’re also not here to educate people about what the doctrine of the Trinity requires people to believe.

 

[civic]

You’re also not here to educate people about what the doctrine of the Trinity requires people to believe.

That’s false my threads I started speak for themselves on the doctrine of the Trinity and Deity of Christ.

 

[Matthias]

That’s false my threads I started speak for themselves on the doctrine of the Trinity and Deity of Christ.

“Trinitarian theology doesn’t mean spit.” - a trinitarian?

Maybe. If so, a trinitarian in name only.

You have the opportunity to help educate someone on why trinitarianism teaches that Jesus is not a human person in THIS thread and you‘ve thrown it away.

He won’t listen to me. He might listen to you.

 

[civic]

Good discussion on heresy and salvation

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[Matthias]

Good discussion on heresy and salvation

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Unless it addresses the trinitarian teaching that Jesus is not a human person - never was, isn’t now, never will be - then it doesn’t specifically address the point.

Jesus is a human person -> heresy, according to trinitarianism.

 

[Matthias]

The Jesus who is a human person is not the Jesus who is not a human person.

 

[Matthias]

Ladies and gentlemen, “trinitarian theology doesn’t mean spit.”

Don’t believe a theology that you’re persuaded doesn’t mean spit.

 

[civic]

I hold to Jesus is a man, fully man, a human. But not a human person. I’ve debated much more astute unitarians over the years that we have here on this forum. I’ve know 3/4 excellent biblical students who knew biblical Greek and use to debate with them for many years on an old biblical language forum. So your arguments are elementary compared to theirs. I’m use to much more challenging discussions from the biblical text.

 

[Matthias]

I hold to Jesus is a man, fully man, a human. But not a human person. I’ve debated much more astute unitarians over the years that we have here on this forum. I’ve know 3/4 excellent biblical students who knew biblical Greek and use to debate with them for many years on an old biblical language forum. So your arguments are elementary compared to theirs. I’m use to much more challenging discussions from the biblical text.

You’re talking to the wrong guy.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

“Trinitarian theology doesn’t mean spit.”

* Now that’s not something you hear every day from a trinitarian.*

I don’t disagree with you but I’m approaching the subject from the perspective of trinitarianism.

"Trinitarianism" is "Theology" - nothing more than man's attempts to explain what the Bible says.

Biblically, there was the "WORD" who was with God, and who WAS God. And the WORD was made Flesh = Jesus.

AT John's baptism, there's Jesus in the river with John, There's Father GOD speaking from Heaven, and there's the HOLY SPIRIT descending upon Jesús, and remaining. There's the "Trinity" in a nutshell. That's just BIBLE. No "trinitarian theology" required.

They're only called "Persons", because they each demonstrate the "Qualities of personhood", and we don't really have a "word" that encapsulates that any better.

Are they ONE - sure. How does all the work?? I'll ask later.

If I bother with "Theology":
My favorite flawed "physical demonstration" would be a thee dimensional "Cube", which has three dimensions: Height, width, and depth. EVERY POINT within the cube is also found within all three dimensions all the time. Father is ALWAYS Father - etc.

The MOST FLAWED common "physical demonstration" is "Water" which can be "SOLID", "Liquid", or "Gas" - but only one at a time.
This would be the "Modal" concept of the "Oneness folks".

 

[Matthias]

"trinitarianism" is "Theology" - nothing more than man's attempts to explain what the Bible says.

Biblically, there was the "WORD" who was with God, and who WAS God. And the WORD was made Flesh = Jesus.

AT John's baptism, there's Jesus in the river with John, There's Father GOD speaking from Heaven, and there's the HOLY SPIRIT descending upon Jesús, and remaining. There's the "Trinity" in a nutshell. That's just BIBLE. No "trinitarian theology" required.

They're only called "Persons", because they each demonstrate the "Qualities of personhood", and we don't really have a "word" that encapsulates that any better.

Are they ONE - sure. How does all the work?? I'll ask later.

If I bother with "Theology":
My favorite flawed "physical demonstration" would be a thee dimensional "Cube", which has three dimensions: Height, width, and depth. EVERY POINT within the cube is also found within all three dimensions all the time. Father is ALWAYS Father - etc.

The MOST FLAWED common "physical demonstration" is "Water" which can be "SOLID", "Liquid", or "Gas" - but only one at a time.
This would be the "Modal" concept of the "Oneness folks".

Jesus cannot be the second person of the Trinity and a human person.

 

[civic]

"Trinitarianism" is "Theology" - nothing more than man's attempts to explain what the Bible says.

Biblically, there was the "WORD" who was with God, and who WAS God. And the WORD was made Flesh = Jesus.

AT John's baptism, there's Jesus in the river with John, There's Father GOD speaking from Heaven, and there's the HOLY SPIRIT descending upon Jesús, and remaining. There's the "Trinity" in a nutshell. That's just BIBLE. No "trinitarian theology" required.

They're only called "Persons", because they each demonstrate the "Qualities of personhood", and we don't really have a "word" that encapsulates that any better.

Are they ONE - sure. How does all the work?? I'll ask later.

If I bother with "Theology":
My favorite flawed "physical demonstration" would be a thee dimensional "Cube", which has three dimensions: Height, width, and depth. EVERY POINT within the cube is also found within all three dimensions all the time. Father is ALWAYS Father - etc.

The MOST FLAWED common "physical demonstration" is "Water" which can be "SOLID", "Liquid", or "Gas" - but only one at a time.
This would be the "Modal" concept of the "Oneness folks".

as an fyi Bob I have no issues someone is trying to make it one and its not me.

 

[civic]

one cannot believe in the deity of Christ and be a unitarian- its an oxymoron.

 

[Matthias]

as an fyi Bob I have no issues someone is trying to make it one and its not me.

I’m defending the Trinity.

 

[Matthias]

one cannot believe in the deity of Christ and be a unitarian- its an oxymoron.

That’s false and you know it. So why say it?

 

[civic]

I’m defending the Trinity.

the biblical trinity or the creedal trinity ?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Jesus cannot be the second person of the Trinity and a human person.

There IS NO First, second, or third person. that's only man's theological concept. And there's absolutely NO REAL REASON to claim that Jesus can't be completely HUMAN, and be the FULLNESS of the Godhead Bodily.

That's "only theology" after all. Your "Logic" MEANS NOTHING about things of which YOU KNOW NOTHING.