brightfame52
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Again The death of Christ saved from not only the penalty of sin, but the power of sin as well, it saved them He died for from all the effects of sin 100%
Is believing/faith a work ?
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So then you are affirming my position that there is an aspect of our salvation that we are experiencing in the present by repenting and redirecting our lives towards being a doer of God's law.
brightfame52
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Repenting and believing are Given to everyone Christ died for and saved. His Death gives them Gifts. Now being a doer of God's law is a Gift of imputed righteousness, all the obedience to the law required for righteousness, Christ fulfilled for them He lived and died for. So everyone Christ lived and died for in Him have already kept and obeyed the Law through Him.
Nowhere does the Bible say that Jesus removed his gift of salvation by fulfilling the law for us.
FreeInChrist
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That is avoidance.
civic
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Ditto
brightfame52
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He only fulfilled it the law for believers. The Righteousness they were imputed with, gives them full credit for having kept and obeyed the law as perfect as Jesus did. It's called also the gift of Righteousness Romans 5 17
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
FreeInChrist
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Why dont you say the truth as you believe it.
He only fulfilled the law for the chosen of God.
brightfame52
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That's true as well
"To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be" (NAS Greek Lexicon: pleroo), so Jesus fulfilled the law by teaching us how to correctly obey it. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so Jesus graciously teaching us to fulfill the law is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not fulfilling the law. If Jesus fulfilled the law on behalf believers instead, then that would mean that he would be removing his gift of salvation from believers. Our salvation is about being made to be like Christ, but if we were only counted as being made to be like Christ without actually being made to be like him, then that would be removing our gift of salvation.
Character traits are not earned as the result of our works, but rather they are embodied through our works, so God's law was not given as a way of earning our righteousness, but as instructions for how to embody God's righteousness. The one and only way for someone to attain a character trait is through faith apart from being required to have first done enough works in order to earn it as the result, but what it means to have a character trait is to be a doer of works that embody that trait, so it would be contradictory for someone to attain the gift of righteousness apart from becoming a doer of righteous works. Rather, the gift of righteousness is the gift of getting to become a doer of righteous works.
brightfame52
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Christ fulfilled the law for believers. That's one of the reasons why they believe and live by Faith. All true believers had it revealed to them in the Gospel that Christ is their righteousness. Now if a person doesn't ever believe in Christ and die in their sin and unbelief, Christ didn't die for them.
Nowhere does the Bible say that Christ fulfilled the law for believers. Christ embodied the righteousness of God through living in obedience to God's law, so that is also the way that we have the gift of getting to live when he is our righteousness.
brightfame52
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Yes it does, maybe not in your particular sound bite.
Pancho Frijoles
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Faith is work. Otherwise is not faith.
Whether that work is driven by God's grace and spirit, is another story. It certainly is.
But faith is work or else self-deception.
Whether that work is driven by God's grace and spirit, is another story. It certainly is.
But faith is work or else self-deception.
Angelo
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Faith works through Love.
"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love". This scripture emphasizes that true faith is demonstrated by actions motivated by love, not by outward practices.
Galatians 5:6
No one is justified by works, nor is works the basis of a believer’s sanctification. Paul adds that whether or not one is circumcised referring to the heritage and requirement of the Mosaic Law is of no consequence because circumcision, placing oneself under the law avails nothing; that is, circumcision has no power to help a person grow spiritually. Rather, faith working through love is the only thing that avails anything—“the only thing that counts”
Please explain how you believe an unsaved person becomes saved?
Here is how the scriptures teach us this truth.
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9
brightfame52
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While Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law, he thankfully did not say that he came to fulfill the law for us.
brightfame52
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It aint us if we not elect. Its limited to whoever believes Rom 10:4
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Everyone He did it for, will be given Faith in Him to believe that He did it for them.
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