Is anyone else a Seer?

[charismaticlady]

There were seers in the Old Testament called prophets, but the word "seer" is not used in the New Testament for prophets. I just heard about this about 5 months ago at church. They said they have three seers in the church. I asked them about it during Sunday School and they said they could all see the glory around our pastor when he is giving the sermon. So I prayed and asked God if this gift is from him I would like it also. I saw nothing around him during his morning prayer, but as soon as he began his sermons a white glow emanated from around his head and shoulders. I had never seen that before. I believe it has to do with testing the spirits and discerning of spirits.

Does anyone else have this gift? Tell me what you've experienced. I did visit a church with a missionary friend of mine, and when the pastor started the sermon a 10 in black billowing cloud was coming out of him. I looked around the church and I don't see anything around anyone else, or even the pastor until he starts preaching.

 

[Rowan]

There were seers in the Old Testament called prophets, but the word "seer" is not used in the New Testament for prophets. I just heard about this about 5 months ago at church. They said they have three seers in the church. I asked them about it during Sunday School and they said they could all see the glory around our pastor when he is giving the sermon. So I prayed and asked God if this gift is from him I would like it also. I saw nothing around him during his morning prayer, but as soon as he began his sermons a white glow emanated from around his head and shoulders. I had never seen that before. I believe it has to do with testing the spirits and discerning of spirits.

Does anyone else have this gift? Tell me what you've experienced. I did visit a church with a missionary friend of mine, and when the pastor started the sermon a 10 in black billowing cloud was coming out of him. I looked around the church and I don't see anything around anyone else, or even the pastor until he starts preaching.

First time I've ever heard of it. I would imagine they would be like modern day prophets? Do you think they have any other function? Like seeing visions about what God's going to do. Do you think there are different roles between prophets and Seers?

 

[charismaticlady]

First time I've ever heard of it. I would imagine they would be like modern day prophets? Do you think they have any other function? Like seeing visions about what God's going to do. Do you think there are different roles between prophets and Seers?

I've heard the name Seer on Sid Roth It's Supernatural, but can't remember the particulars. As for myself I've seen visions since 1977 when I was born again of the Spirit and given prophecies but have not been given the "office" of Prophet. In 2000 I was driving through the Arizona desert and He spoke to me and said, "I am giving you the office of Teacher." When I arrived in California at Jack Hayford's church, I told Jack about what God said, and he as my spiritual father anointed me with oil for the office. Having the gift of prophecy doesn't make me a Prophet. In 1977 when I was 30 years old that is when I was given the gift of hearing His voice. He speaks to me frequently.

 

[TedT]

I am a lowly peeker...

 

[Rockson]

As for myself I've seen visions since 1977 when I was born again of the Spirit and given prophecies but have not been given the "office" of Prophet.

Well it's good you've had manifestations and aren't claiming you're a Prophet. Some think because God uses them periodically that's what they are. eg. Just because one knows how to do an oil change or break work on a car that doesn't mean they're a registered mechanic. Also ....if one is they don't have to go around telling people they are. That can become like looking for the praise and admiration of men. One should let the fruits of their lives make that very obvious to others that they are.

In 2000 I was driving through the Arizona desert and He spoke to me and said, "I am giving you the office of Teacher."

So in what way since 2000 have you operated in such?

In 1977 when I was 30 years old that is when I was given the gift of hearing His voice. He speaks to me frequently.

So you said you were saved in 77. As for me I was saved the year prior. I don't believe there's any such thing as "the gift of hearing his voice" I won't say that I can't be wrong about that but there's a word of knowledge, or a word of wisdom we can receive but even with those gifts they're not something we own like they're a part of us. It's always as the Spirit wills. I'd say God is ALWAYS trying we could say speak to all of his children every day by an inward witness.....and we can see that increased by daily acknowledging that the Spirit DOES lead us, talk to us and direct us.

(talk not always having to me hearing an audible voice. I found this works......by daily praising him that Jesus IS in me.....and he'll never leave me or forsake me......and that my body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.....then it goes without saying you're eventually going to say, "Now hold on a minute Lord (or Spirit) You're in me. Then.....then if I talk to you all throughout the day with that understanding in mind.....then it should be obvious you're going to speak to me back. When I started that lifestyle of acknowledging that and doing so boldly and with excitement..

Wow.....he really did and does speak to me. Problem why many aren't hearing his voice? They actually DON'T BELIEVE he's with them. Therefore they're not really I mean REALLY bringing up to him even little things all throughout the day. Surprise to maybe some people. Be amazed at how he comes alive when you act like he's there. (more could be said)

 

[Rockson]

There were seers in the Old Testament called prophets, but the word "seer" is not used in the New Testament for prophets.

I think some just catch a word in the OT and seek to make it some new type of something. They have no scriptural grounds for doing this but it's like some new wonderful insight. Seer just meant prophets period.

I just heard about this about 5 months ago at church. They said they have three seers in the church.

So now they hold to a seer office Paul the Apostle never spoke of. Of course many of these are dear saints of God but they'd be best if they're going to talk about prophets then stay with that. So notice Paul gives instructions for Prophets and Pastors....how they should be functioning. Wonder why he didn't talk about seers? I think we know why. There is not such office.

I asked them about it during Sunday School and they said they could all see the glory around our pastor when he is giving the sermon.

Perhaps. But that doesn't mean they're anything except someone to whom God gave a spiritual experience. Do you get what I'm saying? Doesn't mean they're anything except a Christian. I saw an angel one time....my wife did another time......doesn't mean we're seers.....the discerning of Spirits might have come into manifestation and maybe seeing something one time....but we're not seers.

So I prayed and asked God if this gift is from him I would like it also.

Well you're a Christian.....you've been one for over 40 years. I think you already KNOW what the gifts are. No need to pray if this gift is from you. Stay with what you know. If some have had some manifestation well they had some experience. Doesn't mean it's a gift.

Does anyone else have this gift?

You can set aside what I say if you wish but I'd be careful about calling it a gift.

Tell me what you've experienced. I did visit a church with a missionary friend of mine, and when the pastor started the sermon a 10 in black billowing cloud was coming out of him. I looked around the church and I don't see anything around anyone else, or even the pastor until he starts preaching.

Well I'd be very careful about all this. Can you see where this can lead? People now start wanting to see strange usual things.....and also word gets out,
"Hey you know what so and so saw around the Pastor....this darkness coming out from him:"
Can you not see that as a potential problem. If one is after the esoteric (wanting to see strange unusual things) I'm guessing you know who could accommodate that. Well (one might conclude) I'm not going to listen to that man for a darkness comes around him! Bingo!

The devil has one discrediting a minister of the gospel to the result of loosing faith in him. I'd hope you 'd agree that can be serious wrong stuff. My advise to all. Be very, very careful about these things.

 

[charismaticlady]

So in what way since 2000 have you operated in such?

I didn't grow up around people speaking in tongues so didn't know anything about them for myself except that I had the gift. Through hearing God's voice He taught me everything about them over a period of 7 years and it became a book. It is on Amazon and ebay and is called The Hidden Mystery Behind Tongues published in 2013.

I then prayed for God to wipe my mind of all doctrines of man and for Him to teach me His doctrine and the interpretation of every verse He inspired. My mind about exploded. What I know now is only known by others who learned everything they know from God also. My missionary friend doesn't understand what I teach but told me about teachings she gets in the mail that she doesn't understand either, but they teach the same doctrine I do. I looked into them and got on their mailing list and she was right, they teach the same thing and that God told them to only teach what He tells them. They are Leroy Surface and his son Keith Surface who is now the pastor of Calvary Outreach Church in Conroe, Texas.

So you said you were saved in 77. As for me I was saved the year prior. I don't believe there's any such thing as "the gift of hearing his voice" I won't say that I can't be wrong about that but there's a word of knowledge, or a word of wisdom we can receive but even with those gifts they're not something we own like they're a part of us. It's always as the Spirit wills. I'd say God is ALWAYS trying we could say speak to all of his children every day by an inward witness.....and we can see that increased by daily acknowledging that the Spirit DOES lead us, talk to us and direct us.

I was born in 1947 and went to church (SDA) with my mother but none of my prayers were ever answered. That made me doubt if God really existed. I changed denominations when I was 23 for a year (Church of Christ) then talked to a girl who was part of the Jesus Revolution of the early 70's and heard about the gifts of the Spirit. I believed it but never experienced anything until that night in February, 1977. I see where I confused you. What I hear are words of wisdom, words of knowledge and prophecy. The only "hearing" gift I don't have is interpretation of tongues. But yes they are as He wills. He will interrupt my own thoughts and speak to me. However, according to James 1:5-6 I do ask Him a question and He'll answer immediately.

(talk not always having to me hearing an audible voice. I found this works......by daily praising him that Jesus IS in me.....and he'll never leave me or forsake me......and that my body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.....then it goes without saying you're eventually going to say, "Now hold on a minute Lord (or Spirit) You're in me. Then.....then if I talk to you all throughout the day with that understanding in mind.....then it should be obvious you're going to speak to me back. When I started that lifestyle of acknowledging that and doing so boldly and with excitement..

Have you heard His audible voice? What did He say? I've never heard His voice with my ears, only my mind or thoughts. But I know it is not myself - I'm not that smart! LOL

Last night I was reading in bed and came across 1 John 2:27 as if for the first time and it is exactly what has happened since I prayed for Him to teach me Himself.

1 John 2:27
27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

Wow.....he really did and does speak to me. Problem why many aren't hearing his voice? They actually DON'T BELIEVE he's with them. Therefore they're not really I mean REALLY bringing up to him even little things all throughout the day. Surprise to maybe some people. Be amazed at how he comes alive when you act like he's there. (more could be said)

Yes! Wow is right!!!

 

[charismaticlady]

So now they hold to a seer office Paul the Apostle never spoke of. Of course many of these are dear saints of God but they'd be best if they're going to talk about prophets then stay with that. So notice Paul gives instructions for Prophets and Pastors....how they should be functioning. Wonder why he didn't talk about seers? I think we know why. There is not such office.

Paul did but called it Prophets. Same thing. And it is an office from Jesus. Ephesians 4:11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers.

Perhaps. But that doesn't mean they're anything except someone to whom God gave a spiritual experience. Do you get what I'm saying? Doesn't mean they're anything except a Christian. I saw an angel one time....my wife did another time......doesn't mean we're seers.....the discerning of Spirits might have come into manifestation and maybe seeing something one time....but we're not seers.

This is nothing I can do myself at will. But it is definitely supernatural from God. I don't like using the name Seer because psychics use that word, and what they see they call auras, and so do the 3 at church. But psychics "see" auras around anyone and anytime; I and the other 3 only see the light around Jim, and ONLY after he starts to preach, not any other time. I don't call what I see an aura because of its connection with the occult. I call it a glory. Don't really know what to call the black billowing cloud. I do know my mouth flew open when I saw it. I sure wasn't expecting that.

Tell me the story of seeing the angels!

Well you're a Christian.....you've been one for over 40 years. I think you already KNOW what the gifts are. No need to pray if this gift is from you. Stay with what you know. If some have had some manifestation well they had some experience. Doesn't mean it's a gift.

I still think it is a gift and could be under discerning of spirits in 1 Cor. 12. What I do know about the devil is that he can't create, he can only counterfeit, so the real gift is out there and what I have is definitely a gift from God. Besides the devil can't touch me because I practice abiding in Jesus. 1 John 5:18.

You can set aside what I say if you wish but I'd be careful about calling it a gift.

I hope you don't mind when I disagree. As I said, there is scriptural proof, so maybe you'll come around to my way of thinking about it. LOL You're still my brother. Nice to meet you!

Well I'd be very careful about all this. Can you see where this can lead? People now start wanting to see strange usual things.....and also word gets out,
"Hey you know what so and so saw around the Pastor....this darkness coming out from him:"
Can you not see that as a potential problem. If one is after the esoteric (wanting to see strange unusual things) I'm guessing you know who could accommodate that. Well (one might conclude) I'm not going to listen to that man for a darkness comes around him! Bingo!

The devil has one discrediting a minister of the gospel to the result of loosing faith in him. I'd hope you 'd agree that can be serious wrong stuff. My advise to all. Be very, very careful about these things.

When I went to church with my missionary friend and saw the black billowing cloud, my mouth flew open in shock, but she didn't see me do that, nor did I tell her what I saw. I met with the pastor after church and told him, and that he needs to deal with this with God.

 

[e v e]

There were seers in the Old Testament called prophets, but the word "seer" is not used in the New Testament for prophets. I just heard about this about 5 months ago at church. They said they have three seers in the church. I asked them about it during Sunday School and they said they could all see the glory around our pastor when he is giving the sermon. So I prayed and asked God if this gift is from him I would like it also. I saw nothing around him during his morning prayer, but as soon as he began his sermons a white glow emanated from around his head and shoulders. I had never seen that before. I believe it has to do with testing the spirits and discerning of spirits.

Does anyone else have this gift? Tell me what you've experienced. I did visit a church with a missionary friend of mine, and when the pastor started the sermon a 10 in black billowing cloud was coming out of him. I looked around the church and I don't see anything around anyone else, or even the pastor until he starts preaching.

they were not seers.

They were simple souls and God spoke to them..
and they could hear Him why?
Because God let them to...and wanted them too...
and, simply because they were humble
they could at all hear Him...
It was all on God's decision to talk to them...
they were not seers, which would be new age type sorcerers.

Every soul of Him who can hear Him
is no different than a prophet and apostle...
a soul who died to the Self and listens to Him....
but some, such as the pharisees could not... being completely
dead in flesh.

regardless how advanced in knowledge they were..
or high in their own opinion...
God didnt speak to those egos.

The job of female is not do do any of that btw..
our job is to listen to Him and stay in Him
and comfort all His souls.

Every soul of His has attributes given them, talents
not to bury...

but what are we to do with those talents?

Give them to Him...

 

[e v e]

Perhaps. But that doesn't mean they're anything except someone to whom God gave a spiritual experience. Do you get what I'm saying? Doesn't mean they're anything except a Christian. I saw an angel one time....my wife did another time......doesn't mean we're seers.....the discerning of Spirits might have come into manifestation and maybe seeing something one time....but we're not seers.

yes

 

[charismaticlady]

they were not seers.

They were simple souls and God spoke to them..
and they could hear Him why?
Because God let them to...and wanted them too...
and, simply because they were humble
they could at all hear Him...
It was all on God's decision to talk to them...
they were not seers, which would be new age type sorcerers.

Every soul of Him who can hear Him
is no different than a prophet and apostle...
a soul who died to the Self and listens to Him....
but some, such as the pharisees could not... being completely
dead in flesh.

regardless how advanced in knowledge they were..
or high in their own opinion...
God didnt speak to those egos.

The job of female is not do do any of that btw..
our job is to listen to Him and stay in Him
and comfort all His souls.

Every soul of His has attributes given them, talents
not to bury...

but what are we to do with those talents?

Give them to Him...

They were called Seers in the Old Testament in 1 and 2 Samuel and all the minor prophets. Yes, New Agers sometimes use the word Seer but usually they use the word psychics. I don't have anything to do with the occult.

 

[Ezra]

we have the Holy SPIRIT a unction

 

[charismaticlady]

we have the Holy SPIRIT a unction

Yes, and the Holy Spirit is the one who gives us His gifts.

 

[Rockson]

Last night I was reading in bed and came across 1 John 2:27 as if for the first time and it is exactly what has happened since I prayed for Him to teach me Himself.

1 John 2:27
27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

Sure. God still though wants to use other members of the body to encourage us and teach us. He has put in the body pastors, teachers etc. Some make the mistake of refusing to hear anyone's teaching except God alone teaching them. (of course it's God through the teacher teaching) Kind of like the question why does God need angels? Can't he do all things himself? Sure. But he uses agents and gives them assignments to carry out his will.

 

[jeremiah1five]

There were seers in the Old Testament called prophets, but the word "seer" is not used in the New Testament for prophets. I just heard about this about 5 months ago at church. They said they have three seers in the church. I asked them about it during Sunday School and they said they could all see the glory around our pastor when he is giving the sermon. So I prayed and asked God if this gift is from him I would like it also. I saw nothing around him during his morning prayer, but as soon as he began his sermons a white glow emanated from around his head and shoulders. I had never seen that before. I believe it has to do with testing the spirits and discerning of spirits.

Does anyone else have this gift? Tell me what you've experienced. I did visit a church with a missionary friend of mine, and when the pastor started the sermon a 10 in black billowing cloud was coming out of him. I looked around the church and I don't see anything around anyone else, or even the pastor until he starts preaching.

Seer. Prophet. Semantics.
It doesn't matter if "seer" is not used in the New Covenant writings. The word "prophet" is and it's the same thing. Now, I can't call it what you have seen in church, so I'll leave that alone for now.
After reading your post I sensed some needed Scripture to help you understand these things, I can assist.

 

[Ezra]

Yes, and the Holy Spirit is the one who gives us His gifts.

what are the gifts for? personal gain or edifying of the body of Christ

 

[Rockson]

I don't like using the name Seer because psychics use that word, and what they see they call auras, and so do the 3 at church. But psychics "see" auras around anyone and anytime; I and the other 3 only see the light around Jim, and ONLY after he starts to preach, not any other time.

Yeah I agree I'd stay away from using the word seer for the same reason you said.

Tell me the story of seeing the angels!

First you do know right that it's not so important to see them What's more important is to see their activity in your life. I believe three or four times they've saved my life BUT I never saw them. Didn't need to and I don't necessarily long to see them. I want to keep my focus on Christ, God as my main total focus. Saints can get imbalanced with these type of things.

One problem some get into this topic lol and they really never come back from it. 90 % of their time is in angel books..... in so doing they've gone off the rails. Another thing. People like to say they'd like to see an angel. I like to ask them are you ready to be in and face a great trial? LOL you might not want to be so quick to see one. What I mean is this. Look at the times when angels appear. Generally you'll see they manifest when people are like in a life or death experience facing disaster.

Remember Peter and John in jail? Acts 12:7 Going to be beheaded the next day? Yes a spectacular event...an angel appeared. Remember Paul on the ship which was about to be destroyed? Acts 27:23 An angel appeared and gave instruction and comfort. Remember Jesus in the trial of temptation in Matt 4 fasting for 40 days....and the battle with the devil? Angels came and strengthen him eventually. Ha....so I say to people ....Still want to see an angel? LOL...well given that some might say....I'm not quite so sure! It may mean you're heading for a great trial or you're in one.

So about my seeing an angel. I felt it was one anyway. I was in my bedroom laying on my bed. On the far wall from me I saw a vision.....it was the faces of my old worldly friends on the wall but the thing is they were all blurred....blurred but I knew who they were. Then an angel, a being dressed in white entered the room looked at them and then looked at me and said, "God has a lot in store for you!" Then disappeared . The reason my friends faces were blurred it was saying my old friends are phasing out of my life and God was bringing me new friends. Christian friends.

Now someone might say they'd like to experience something like that. I say NO don't long to want to experience seeing anything like that. If something like that happened in God's sovereign will then fine. It doesn't make one more spiritual then someone who hasn't experienced such and it certainly doesn't mean God loves one more than another who hasn't. I had that happen about 40 years ago but our main total focus is to hear God in our spirits, EVERY DAY. That's where we put our focus.

I would love to talk however about the times angels saved my life and protected me as Ps 91 says they will. I never saw them but that doesn't matter. (if any are interested I can maybe share those things which happened) But each one here probably most can point to times in their own lives where they know God saved their life. He more than likely used angels to do it. We can't prove it but probably so.

I hope you don't mind when I disagree.

Ha...lol I never mind when anyone disagrees with me. There's an odd time where I don't agree with myself...meaning I'm not perfect and I sometimes have to change a belief. Not on major fundamental things but well....on some things or a few things.

 

[civic]

my wife one time picked up my homeless sister at the time in church with her " new friend " and were driving them in the car. When they got to their destination her friend was no longer in the car and had vanished. My wife says that she had " entertained " an angel like we read about in the book of Hebrews unknowingly.

 

[charismaticlady]

Sure. God still though wants to use other members of the body to encourage us and teach us. He has put in the body pastors, teachers etc. Some make the mistake of refusing to hear anyone's teaching except God alone teaching them. (of course it's God through the teacher teaching) Kind of like the question why does God need angels? Can't he do all things himself? Sure. But he uses agents and gives them assignments to carry out his will.

I'm still going to church. But it is for fellowship.

I heard something on a forum about a year or so ago by a Seventh-day Adventist. He said God made hell for the demonic angels and Satan who are immortal beings so will suffer forever. But unsaved people in hell will die the second death immediately they are buried in the lake of fire because they can't get to the Tree of Life in heaven. I never heard that before. That verified my position on annihilation. Before that I just reasoned they were not immortal because their spirit had never been born again immortal like a Christian's.

 

[charismaticlady]

my wife one time picked up my homeless sister at the time in church with her " new friend " and were driving them in the car. When they got to their destination her friend was no longer in the car and had vanished. My wife says that she had " entertained " an angel like we read about in the book of Hebrews unknowingly.

What was your sister's story on meeting this new friend?