Is anyone else a Seer?

Seer. Prophet. Semantics.
It doesn't matter if "seer" is not used in the New Covenant writings. The word "prophet" is and it's the same thing. Now, I can't call it what you have seen in church, so I'll leave that alone for now.
After reading your post I sensed some needed Scripture to help you understand these things, I can assist.
Thanks. I already spoke to my pastor and the three other seers at church. Thought I'd give the forums a try. I already know that a seer is a prophet, but will not call myself a prophet unless God speaks to me again that He wants me to have that "office" like He did when He told me He was giving me the office of Teacher.
 
I'm still going to church. But it is for fellowship.

I heard something on a forum about a year or so ago by a Seventh-day Adventist. He said God made hell for the demonic angels and Satan who are immortal beings so will suffer forever. But unsaved people in hell will die the second death immediately they are buried in the lake of fire because they can't get to the Tree of Life in heaven. I never heard that before. That verified my position on annihilation. Before that I just reasoned they were not immortal because their spirit had never been born again immortal like a Christian's.
we are in a department of hell. it is called babylon, this earth, separated from our original situation which He declared Good before the fall...
However 'pleasant' this world of Death (how God described it!) is - for anyone (including experiences as a 'seer'), and whatever baubles we may 'possess' - it is still a place separated from Him and therefore, is DEATH.

Surprise, they already hurt His tree of life, via Adam, because of that fall...
And they desolated eden.

You may say, 'no they did not desolate eden'. Very well, then ask yourself this, since Man was God's treasure in paradise and he created paradise for man... how was Eden not desolated when man fell? Of course it was.

As for if they can get to it. Well yes they did. Already. But that will end.. and indeed 'they' (evil satanic realm and its entities) will come to an end.
But I won't extend myself - no one cares.
 
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That verified my position on annihilation.
luke 16 the rich man in hell lifted up his eyes in torments asking for just one drop of water. cast out into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth .

Matthew 8:12

King James Version

12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Matthew 13:42

King James Version

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.



Mark 9:44

King James Version​
where worm dieth not


44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.


personally i dont find total antihalation in these scripturas
 
Thanks. I already spoke to my pastor and the three other seers at church. Thought I'd give the forums a try. I already know that a seer is a prophet, but will not call myself a prophet unless God speaks to me again that He wants me to have that "office" like He did when He told me He was giving me the office of Teacher.
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luke 16 the rich man in hell lifted up his eyes in torments asking for just one drop of water. cast out into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth .
That is the 1st death. I'm talking about the second death where God judges our status for eternity.
 
That is the 1st death. I'm talking about the second death where God judges our status for eternity.
that was all augustine theology plato gibberish.. a wolf in sheeps clothing.


God is not judging any of this souls...
we will be sealed to Him and that is was our 'judgment'... in the positive.
 
he was a platonist, and admitted in his 'Confessions' that he was only able to become Christian, which his mother wanted, because he was able to meld reason (his demon!) to scripture via the Greek view, which he saw (that mixing of plato and christianity) was possible from Ambrose. His texts are filled with Greek mumbo jumbo. And this is the guy who chose the 'books' and oversaw theology and councils. A total mess. The reformation did not undo Augustine's corruptions.
 
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It was through augustine that the mistaken idea that the mind is the soul arose. The greeks knew the carnal mind as the 'daemon'. True it is a demon! (but the greeks thought the daemon was wisdom! true...look at new age seers! they think so too)

As for the three part soul, that is book 9, the very end of Plato's republic. Not a concept God ever mentions!
 
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And Calvin is mixed up about that as well... thinking the soul is rotten and depraved, when in fact it is the Foreign Mind that rules the soul after she left God which is depraved. And that confusion, of soul and mind, is but One of the Many errors which remain in place from Augustine and need to go!
 
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Often times the entity who seers hear and learn from is none other than Plato's 'daemon' of wisdom...

(sometimes popularly known as 'reason' or the muse, the genius concept)

oh well.
 
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I'm still going to church. But it is for fellowship.
Isn't that an unusual statement to make? Why wouldn't it also be to receive exhortation from your leadership as well?
I heard something on a forum about a year or so ago by a Seventh-day Adventist. He said God made hell for the demonic angels and Satan who are immortal beings so will suffer forever. But unsaved people in hell will die the second death immediately they are buried in the lake of fire because they can't get to the Tree of Life in heaven. I never heard that before. That verified my position on annihilation. Before that I just reasoned they were not immortal because their spirit had never been born again immortal like a Christian's.
I see. So you're believe in annihilation. Have some things I could say about that but it is a sure thing that Adam and Eve couldn't get a hold of the tree of life. The Bible states it verbatim. But what exactly does that mean, could mean or doesn't mean? I'd say there' a little bit of mystery to that. I'd say immortal doesn't have to mean that one has tasted of the tree of life.

A spiritual dead spirit doesn't have cessation of consciousness merely because their dead. (understanding death in the way the Bible describes it as two kinds...spiritual death and physical death) Not exactly the same thing. Perhaps this would be a good topic for another thread. :)
 
Isn't that an unusual statement to make? Why wouldn't it also be to receive exhortation from your leadership as well?

I see. So you're believe in annihilation. Have some things I could say about that but it is a sure thing that Adam and Eve couldn't get a hold of the tree of life. The Bible states it verbatim. But what exactly does that mean, could mean or doesn't mean? I'd say there' a little bit of mystery to that. I'd say immortal doesn't have to mean that one has tasted of the tree of life.

A spiritual dead spirit doesn't have cessation of consciousness merely because their dead. (understanding death in the way the Bible describes it as two kinds...spiritual death and physical death) Not exactly the same thing. Perhaps this would be a good topic for another thread. :)
ruach is Life. Christ is Life.

So... no soul of Him would be able to have even come to be and been in Eden without Life.

What they did is step out of God, by touching the evil realm, eating of it = that fruit...
by even listening to the snake and then adam...

compare the exhortation of us to be IN Him...
and the grave situation that often christians are IN the world instead...
even while claiming to be of Him.
 
that was all augustine theology plato gibberish.. a wolf in sheeps clothing.


God is not judging any of this souls...
we will be sealed to Him and that is was our 'judgment'... in the positive.
Do you think I've been taught by Augustine? LOL Eve, I already told you this sometime in the past but about 10 years ago I asked God to wipe my mind of all doctrines of man, or demons, and teach me the truth from scratch. God answered that pray, so without commentaries or from the pulpit, I now know almost everything the apostles taught. But I can't say everything because just this month God showed me something new in the book of John that verifies what He already taught me. John 15:3. And then this week I saw in writing what I already knew. 1 John 2:27. Only He knows by foreknowledge when I will die, but He knows I want Him to finish what He's started in answer to my prayer.
 
Isn't that an unusual statement to make? Why wouldn't it also be to receive exhortation from your leadership as well?
Look at the post to eve I just made. That will answer this question.
I see. So you're believe in annihilation. Have some things I could say about that but it is a sure thing that Adam and Eve couldn't get a hold of the tree of life. The Bible states it verbatim. But what exactly does that mean, could mean or doesn't mean? I'd say there' a little bit of mystery to that. I'd say immortal doesn't have to mean that one has tasted of the tree of life.
What will be keeping those not found in the book of life alive? Only the angels and the saved are immortal, besides God. That is why the lake of fire burns forever. It was created for Satan and his angels.
  1. Revelation 2:11
    “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” ’

  2. Revelation 20:6
    Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

  3. Revelation 20:14
    Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

  4. Revelation 21:8
    But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
A spiritual dead spirit doesn't have cessation of consciousness merely because their dead. (understanding death in the way the Bible describes it as two kinds...spiritual death and physical death) Not exactly the same thing. Perhaps this would be a good topic for another thread. :)
I believe that when Hitler died he was conscious of the outer darkness until he was united with his body. Then he fought in the war of Armageddon, judged and thrown into the lake of fire, and that was it for him - the second death. That is what I would say in a new post so go for it. :)
 
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luke 16 the rich man in hell lifted up his eyes in torments asking for just one drop of water. cast out into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth .

Matthew 8:12​

King James Version​

12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 13:42​

King James Version​

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.​

Mark 9:44​

King James Version​


where worm dieth not

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.


personally i dont find total antihalation in these scripturas
You won't. They are still in the grave. But once Jesus comes back they will then be resurrected in the resurrection at the end of the Millennium in the second resurrection. What they experience in the grave is outer darkness according to your scriptures.
 
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You won't. They are still in the grave. But once Jesus comes back they will then be resurrected. What they experience in the grave is outer darkness according to your scriptures.
disagree

Revelation 20

King James Version

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. the lake of fire is a eternal fire the Bible says cast out into outer darkness when placed in the grave its by man , but i do give this the grave is = sheol and also translated hell . hell the eternal lake of fire is a forever torments'
 
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