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[amazing grace]

How about Adam then? Which one of God's laws did you think people are born breaking?

I'm not sure what you are asking but the way I see it when Adam sinned - sin entered the world and death by sin. All are guilty because all are appointed once to die . . . sin brought the penalty and there is no escaping it whether infant, child, young adult, adult, seniors - we are all going to die as a result of Adam's sin. So yes, everyone is guilty because of Adam.

 

[360watt]

How about Adam then? Which one of God's laws did you think people are born breaking?

Adam was an exception as one born perfect and was sinless up to the point of the fall in partaking of the fruit of the tree.

 

[Runningman]

Adam was an exception as one born perfect and was sinless up to the point of the fall in partaking of the fruit of the tree.

I don't believe God creates people born sinning.

So why are we talking about this? You said that being sinless means Jesus is God, but you did admit Adam is an exception. All points aside, the criteria of being sinless being a qualifier to be God doesn't work if Adam did it too.

What is something that is unique or exclusive to Jesus that you believe makes him God?

 

[360watt]

I don't believe God creates people born sinning.

So why are we talking about this? You said that being sinless means Jesus is God, but you did admit Adam is an exception. All points aside, the criteria of being sinless being a qualifier to be God doesn't work if Adam did it too.

What is something that is unique or exclusive to Jesus that you believe makes him God?

Jesus never had the ability to become sinful. That's one main difference between Jesus and Adam.

You can look on other threads and from biblical teachers from the past on what is unique and exclusive about Jesus that means He is God. It's already been covered.

For eg..

Six Reasons to Believe Jesus Is God

Tim Barnett responds to a video that claims the Bible never calls Jesus “God,” and that both the Old Testament and Jesus himself indicated Jesus is not divine.

www.str.org

 

[amazing grace]

Jesus never had the ability to become sinful. That's one main difference between Jesus and Adam.

You can look on other threads and from biblical teachers from the past on what is unique and exclusive about Jesus that means He is God. It's already been covered.

For eg..

Six Reasons to Believe Jesus Is God

Tim Barnett responds to a video that claims the Bible never calls Jesus “God,” and that both the Old Testament and Jesus himself indicated Jesus is not divine.

www.str.org

Who said Jesus didn't have the ability sin, i.e. to become sinful?

 

[Runningman]

Jesus never had the ability to become sinful. That's one main difference between Jesus and Adam.

You can look on other threads and from biblical teachers from the past on what is unique and exclusive about Jesus that means He is God. It's already been covered.

For eg..

Six Reasons to Believe Jesus Is God

Tim Barnett responds to a video that claims the Bible never calls Jesus “God,” and that both the Old Testament and Jesus himself indicated Jesus is not divine.

www.str.org

The Bible repeatedly depicts Jesus as a man who experienced what is common to all people, endured, and overcame. Jesus could have sinned if he only chose to.

Hebrews 2
17For this reason He had to be made like His brothers in every way, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, in order to make atonement for the sins of the people. 18Because He Himself suffered when He was tempted, He is able to help those who are being tempted.

Hebrews 4
15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who was tempted in every way that we are, yet was without sin.

Hebrews 5
8Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from what He suffered.

Revelation 2
21To the one who overcomes, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

 

[360watt]

Who said Jesus didn't have the ability sin, i.e. to become sinful?

He has the divine nature. That cannot sin. I dont believe He could sin. Like asking God to do something completely foreign to who they are.

 

[amazing grace]

He has the divine nature. That cannot sin. I dont believe He could sin. Like asking God to do something completely foreign to who they are.

Why do you think God anointed Jesus with holy spirit and with power right before he was led into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil . . . If he couldn't sin why did Satan waste his time tempting him?

Exactly! tempting God to sin is completely foreign to who he is - God cannot be tempted. So if Jesus was God; he was NOT tempted in all things as we are!!! [Heb. 4:15]

 

[360watt]

Why do you think God anointed Jesus with holy spirit and with power right before he was led into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil . . . If he couldn't sin why did Satan waste his time tempting him?

Exactly! tempting God to sin is completely foreign to who he is - God cannot be tempted. So if Jesus was God; he was NOT tempted in all things as we are!!! [Heb.

Tempting doesn't mean sinning. Having the opportunity to sin, doesn't mean they do sin.

I would need to look at the question you asked more though.. that is a good question.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I'm not sure what you are asking but the way I see it when Adam sinned - sin entered the world and death by sin. All are guilty because all are appointed once to die . . . sin brought the penalty and there is no escaping it whether infant, child, young adult, adult, seniors - we are all going to die as a result of Adam's sin. So yes, everyone is guilty because of Adam.

You are guilty because of you.

Every person is guilty because of "Them"selves.

 

[amazing grace]

Tempting doesn't mean sinning. Having the opportunity to sin, doesn't mean they do sin.

I would need to look at the question you asked more though.. that is a good question.

Correct - tempting does not mean that one sins but what is the use in tempting someone if they CANNOT SIN - if it's impossible for them to sin --- which it is impossible for God to sin and as far as that goes, scripture says God cannot be tempted with evil neither does he tempt any man. [James 1:13]

thanks

 

[360watt]

Correct - tempting does not mean that one sins but what is the use in tempting someone if they CANNOT SIN - if it's impossible for them to sin --- which it is impossible for God to sin and as far as that goes, scripture says God cannot be tempted with evil neither does he tempt any man. [James 1:13]

thanks

From:

How could Jesus’ temptation be real if He could not sin?

New Testament Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church serving the community of Safford, Arizona. Through faithful Bible preaching and compassionate outreach, NTBC continues to effectively minister to the spiritual and physical needs of Swift Trail Junction, Solomon, Thatcher, Pima, and...

www.ntbcsafford.org

It is important to remember that when Jesus was miraculously conceived in Mary’s womb, God literally became a man. Undiminished deity and full humanity were united. So, while Jesus’ humanity could “feel” temptation, His deity gave no place for the temptation to “attach” (James 1:15). That is how Jesus, “in all points” (that is, “in every kind of way”) could be tempted and feel the temptation and yet never sin.

 

[amazing grace]

From:

How could Jesus’ temptation be real if He could not sin?

New Testament Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church serving the community of Safford, Arizona. Through faithful Bible preaching and compassionate outreach, NTBC continues to effectively minister to the spiritual and physical needs of Swift Trail Junction, Solomon, Thatcher, Pima, and...

www.ntbcsafford.org

It is important to remember that when Jesus was miraculously conceived in Mary’s womb, God literally became a man. Undiminished deity and full humanity were united. So, while Jesus’ humanity could “feel” temptation, His deity gave no place for the temptation to “attach” (James 1:15). That is how Jesus, “in all points” (that is, “in every kind of way”) could be tempted and feel the temptation and yet never sin.

Jesus was miraculously conceived BY the Holy Spirit the power of the Most High in Mary's womb. It was the Holy Spirit the power of the Most High that caused the conception - God conceived God???? God was not conceived in Mary's womb as a human being, a baby. Mary did not change God's diapers, rock him to sleep, discipline him. God created a fully human being in the womb of Mary - like US as it records in Hebrews. If what you say is true - Jesus could not be truly tempted in all points as we are.

God didn't literally become a man - God was IN Christ. If God became a man then there is no Son . . . everything about His Son is a lie because the SON WASN'T THE SON AFTER ALL but God as a man God in the flesh. We are supposed to believe that Jesus is the Messiah, not that 'God is the Messiah'.

Why is it that no one wants to be true to what the majority of scriptures say concerning Jesus Christ and just acknowledge the tremendous selfless thing Jesus did for us, he NEVER sinned - it took effort.
He always submitted his will to that of His Father - it took effort.
He had to suffer to the point of death on a cross, praying earnestly for God to remove this 'cup' from him and an angel came from heaven to strengthen him for the task ahead - it took effort!
There are no sufficient words to praise our Lord and Savior for what he, being a human being, did for us.
Imagine this from a truly human man's point of view:

And when he withdrew from them about a stone's throw, and knelt down and prayed, saying, "Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will but yours be done. And there appeared to him an angel from heaven, to strengthen him. And being in agony he prayed more earnestly and his sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground. . . .

IT TOOK GREAT EFFORT.