He that believes and is not water baptised is saved

[brightfame52]

@Anja

WHEN DO CHRIST’S SHEEP BECOME HIS SHEEP?​

Always have been, even before they believe, so He says some believe not because they are not of His Sheep, which indicates being a Sheep first will cause you to believe Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Also He said that He had Sheep but they have not yet heard His voice bu they shall Vs 16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

 

[brightfame52]

Um, all men has no meaning other sheep

Dont have to appear for it to still be the Sheep, Sheep appeared in Jn 10, that laid the foundation as to who Jesus draws to Himself by His Death. When He says He must bring His Sheep in Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Well that's relatively the same as must draw in Jn 12:32

 

[Aeliana]

Here is how he saved me… I repented, and I was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of my sins.
Did you skip that?
If so, you don’t have remission of sins. There is no alternative, but to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

You never accepted Jesus as your lord and savior?

According to the Bible, believing in Jesus is the key to salvation. The Bible says, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household” (Acts 16:31). This verse emphasizes the importance of faith in Jesus Christ for salvation.

The Bible also teaches that salvation is a gift from God, and it is received through faith in Jesus Christ. The apostle Paul wrote, “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God” (Ephesians 2:8). This verse highlights the idea that salvation is a free gift from God, and it is received through faith in Jesus Christ.

In addition, the Bible teaches that believing in Jesus is not just intellectual assent, but it is a trustful act of dependence upon Christ and His sacrifice on the cross. The apostle Paul wrote, “Therefore, belief in Jesus is enough to be saved, but you must believe that Jesus is God and flesh, and your belief must be a trustful act of dependence upon Christ and His sacrifice on the cross” (John 1:12).

It is also important to note that baptism is not a requirement for salvation, but it is a public declaration of one’s faith in Jesus Christ. The Bible says, “Whoever believes and gets baptized will be saved” (Mark 16:16). This verse emphasizes the importance of baptism as a symbol of one’s faith in Jesus Christ.

In conclusion, believing in Jesus saves you because it is the key to salvation. The Bible teaches that salvation is a gift from God, and it is received through faith in Jesus Christ. Believing in Jesus is not just intellectual assent, but it is a trustful act of dependence upon Christ and His sacrifice on the cross.

In your case it would seem like instead of believing in Jesus you're relying on your ability to reason the order of salvation and turning it into a work salvation. You're doing that by claiming that you're good work of being baptized is what saved you.

 

[Truther]

You never accepted Jesus as your lord and savior?

According to the Bible, believing in Jesus is the key to salvation. The Bible says, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household” (Acts 16:31). This verse emphasizes the importance of faith in Jesus Christ for salvation.

The Bible also teaches that salvation is a gift from God, and it is received through faith in Jesus Christ. The apostle Paul wrote, “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God” (Ephesians 2:8). This verse highlights the idea that salvation is a free gift from God, and it is received through faith in Jesus Christ.

In addition, the Bible teaches that believing in Jesus is not just intellectual assent, but it is a trustful act of dependence upon Christ and His sacrifice on the cross. The apostle Paul wrote, “Therefore, belief in Jesus is enough to be saved, but you must believe that Jesus is God and flesh, and your belief must be a trustful act of dependence upon Christ and His sacrifice on the cross” (John 1:12).

It is also important to note that baptism is not a requirement for salvation, but it is a public declaration of one’s faith in Jesus Christ. The Bible says, “Whoever believes and gets baptized will be saved” (Mark 16:16). This verse emphasizes the importance of baptism as a symbol of one’s faith in Jesus Christ.

In conclusion, believing in Jesus saves you because it is the key to salvation. The Bible teaches that salvation is a gift from God, and it is received through faith in Jesus Christ. Believing in Jesus is not just intellectual assent, but it is a trustful act of dependence upon Christ and His sacrifice on the cross.

In your case it would seem like instead of believing in Jesus you're relying on your ability to reason the order of salvation and turning it into a work salvation. You're doing that by claiming that you're good work of being baptized is what saved you.

There is no scripture that tells us to accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior to be saved.

It’s up to the Lord Jesus to accept us. We are the ones in trouble, he is not a beggar.

The only way he will accept us is if we repent, we are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of our sins, and then we are accepted of him.

To simplify it think of Esther going before the king. If she wasn’t accepted, she was doomed. That’s us.

 

[Truther]

immersion process?

Immersion puts you in water, it does not take you out of the water

Now you’re finally seeing it. Jesus came up straight way out of the water. When the Ethiopian eunuch was immersed, he did also. Edit by admin

 

[Truther]

You just cant comprehend. You cant say I didnt explain, you on your own

Fact is, since you have been working really hard to skip Acts 2:38, you say we are not saved by works but that he was saved by works of righteousness. You just can’t make sense because you skip Acts 2:38.

It seems like it would be a lot easier to just get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins than to go through all this trouble to attempt to make it go away.

 

[brightfame52]

Fact is, since you have been working really hard to skip Acts 2:38, you say we are not saved by works but that he was saved by works of righteousness. You just can’t make sense because you skip Acts 2:38.

It seems like it would be a lot easier to just get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins than to go through all this trouble to attempt to make it go away.

Nothings changed, Cornelius was saved way before water baptism

 

[Truther]

Was Cornelius saved before Peter showed up?

 

[Aeliana]

There is no scripture that tells us to accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior to be saved.

It’s up to the Lord Jesus to accept us. We are the ones in trouble, he is not a beggar.

The only way he will accept us is if we repent, we are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of our sins, and then we are accepted of him.

To simplify it think of Esther going before the king. If she wasn’t accepted, she was doomed. That’s us.

You've got yourself quite a different gospel there.

The Bible clearly states that Jesus IS Lord (Acts 10:36; Romans 10:9, NIV). So it's biblically proper to confess Him as "my LORD and Savior Jesus Christ" — both! — not just as my Savior.


Luke 2:11, NKJV For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

2 Peter 2:20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.

God’s angel announced Jesus’ birth to the shepherds by identifying Him as the “Savior, who is Christ the Lord.” To be Scripturally consistent, I speak of the Son of God as both "my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."

 

[Truther]

You've got yourself quite a different gospel there.

The Bible clearly states that Jesus IS Lord (Acts 10:36; Romans 10:9, NIV). So it's biblically proper to confess Him as "my LORD and Savior Jesus Christ" — both! — not just as my Savior.


Luke 2:11, NKJV For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

2 Peter 2:20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.

God’s angel announced Jesus’ birth to the shepherds by identifying Him as the “Savior, who is Christ the Lord.” To be Scripturally consistent, I speak of the Son of God as both "my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."

This has nothing to do with “accept the Lord as your personal savior“ to be saved. That is a manufactured modern day concept that is designed to cause people to disobey Acts 2:38.

 

[Aeliana]

This has nothing to do with “accept the Lord as your personal savior“ to be saved. That is a manufactured modern day concept that is designed to cause people to disobey Acts 2:38.

Keep telling yourself that. Accepting Jesus as your personal savior is a crucial step in establishing a personal relationship with God. It is a decision to trust in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, acknowledging that He is the only way to achieve salvation not water baptism.

Lots of people view Christianity as attending church, performing rituals such as water baptism, and/or not committing certain sins. That is not Christianity. True Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Accepting Jesus as your personal Savior means placing your own personal faith and trust in Him.

True Christianity is where it's at.

 

[Truther]

Keep telling yourself that. Accepting Jesus as your personal savior is a crucial step in establishing a personal relationship with God. It is a decision to trust in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, acknowledging that He is the only way to achieve salvation not water baptism.

Lots of people view Christianity as attending church, performing rituals such as water baptism, and/or not committing certain sins. That is not Christianity. True Christianity is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Accepting Jesus as your personal Savior means placing your own personal faith and trust in Him.



True Christianity is where it's at.

Don’t send an extra biblical lecture to me. Show me the verse in the New Testament that says “accept the Lord as your personal savior“ to be saved.

 

[Aeliana]

Don’t send an extra biblical lecture to me. Show me the verse in the New Testament that says “accept the Lord as your personal savior“ to be saved.

Excuse me... but I didn't send you anything you received an alert from the forum that I made a reply to your post. So you're making a false accusation.

Also I'm not your teacher I don't have to show you anything in the bible. You wouldn't believe it no matter what anybody showed you anyway. Because you're stuck in your false belief that water baptism can save you. And you don't want to believe that Jesus is your personal savior. You're saved by accepting what he's done on the cross and his resurrection. You're not saved by water baptism.

This is an open Christian forum We're free to post our beliefs as long as we don't break the rules. Have a nice day

 

[Truther]

Excuse me... but I didn't send you anything you received an alert from the forum that I made a reply to your post. So you're making a false accusation.

Also I'm not your teacher I don't have to show you anything in the bible. You wouldn't believe it no matter what anybody showed you anyway. Because you're stuck in your false belief that water baptism can save you. And you don't want to believe that Jesus is your personal savior. You're saved by accepting what he's done on the cross and his resurrection. You're not saved by water baptism.

This is an open Christian forum We're free to post our beliefs as long as we don't break the rules. Have a nice day

I saw you posted a cartoon that’s why I mentioned extra biblical concepts.
Just a quick question, Peter said to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Now, do you think that remission of sins is essential to salvation?

 

[Aeliana]

I saw you posted a cartoon that’s why I mentioned extra biblical concepts.
Just a quick question, Peter said to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Now, do you think that remission of sins is essential to salvation?

If you're talking about this

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/he-that-believes-and-is-not-water-baptised-is-saved.1760/post-92396

It's definitely not a cartoon

As for your question it's been answered over and over. Just because you won't accept the answer doesn't mean people should waste their time giving you the answer over and over.

 

[Truther]

If you're talking about this

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/he-that-believes-and-is-not-water-baptised-is-saved.1760/post-92396

It's definitely not a cartoon

As for your question it's been answered over and over. Just because you won't accept the answer doesn't mean people should waste their time giving you the answer over and over.

All I want you to do is read this 11 times until it becomes a habit…

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins…

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins…

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins…

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins……………


Now close your eyes and what do you see?

 

[Aeliana]

All I want you to do is read this 11 times until it becomes a habit…

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins…

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins…

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins…

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins……………


Now close your eyes and what do you see?

Why water baptism does not save you​

Water baptism is a significant practice in Christianity, but it is not the means of salvation. The Bible teaches that salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ, not through water baptism. Here are some reasons why water baptism does not save:

1. Salvation is by faith, not works: The Bible is clear that salvation is a gift of God’s grace, received through faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9). Water baptism is a work, not a means of salvation.

2. Water baptism is a symbol, not a requirement: Water baptism is a symbol of our union with Christ, but it is not a requirement for salvation. Many people have been saved without being baptized, and baptism does not guarantee salvation.

3. The Bible does not teach baptismal regeneration: The Bible does not teach that water baptism regenerates or saves the soul. Instead, it is a public declaration of our faith in Jesus Christ.

4. The focus is on the heart, not the water: The Bible emphasizes the importance of a changed heart, not the water. Jesus said, “You must be born again” (John 3:7), not “You must be baptized again.”

5. The New Testament emphasizes faith, not baptism: The New Testament emphasizes the importance of faith in Jesus Christ, not baptism. Jesus said, “Whoever believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall live” (John 11:25).

6. Baptism is a response to salvation, not a means of salvation: Baptism is a response to our salvation, not a means of salvation. We are saved by faith, and then we are baptized as a public declaration of our faith.

7. The Bible teaches that salvation is a gift, not a reward: Salvation is a gift of God’s grace, not a reward for good works, including baptism.

8. The focus is on Jesus, not the water: The Bible emphasizes the importance of Jesus Christ, not the water. Jesus is the one who saves us, not the water.

9. The Bible does not teach that baptism is necessary for salvation: The Bible does not teach that baptism is necessary for salvation. Many people have been saved without being baptized, and baptism does not guarantee salvation.

10. The Bible teaches that salvation is a personal relationship with Jesus: Salvation is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, not a ritual or ceremony. Water baptism is a symbol of our union with Christ, but it is not the means of salvation.
In conclusion, water baptism is an important practice in Christianity, but it is not the means of salvation. Salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ, and baptism is a response to our salvation, not a means of salvation.

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[brightfame52]

Was Cornelius saved before Peter showed up?

Don't you pay attention ? I just went over that with you

 

[TomL]

@Anja



Always have been, even before they believe, so He says some believe not because they are not of His Sheep, which indicates being a Sheep first will cause you to believe Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Also He said that He had Sheep but they have not yet heard His voice bu they shall Vs 16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

After they are the Father's sheep they are given to christ

John 17:6 (NASB 2020) — 6 “I have revealed Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have followed Your word.

 

[Fitzpatrick]

Don't you pay attention ? I just went over that with you

I'm not saying this is the case in this situation but there are clues. Many people have what are called learning disabilities, and its not as bad as it sounds. It doesn't make them stupid or anything, it can mean you may need to look into what counseling services are available to you. You could be dealing with depression or anxiety due to stress, which can cause slugging thinking, difficulty learning new things, difficulty concentrating, repeating the same thing over and over. Bottom line it's hard to live with someone that has this condition because they don't understand they have learning disabilities and they think they know it all.