Gods Name Fallacy

Really? What verses are Jesus called YHWH? Not a one.

Christ is never called YHWH, ever. You need to explain yourself here civic. I will stay the course until you have some evidence to produce and I'm ready to know of it and comment.

We both know there is no such verse where Jesus is called YHWH. Like John 1:1 that does not even mention Jesus, civic may pull out verses that he will tell us his eisegesis is that it is referring to the lord Jesus as YHWH AS IF all 3 dozen lord's in Scripture are God. But then, that doesn't help to the count of 3 ...

I'm glad @civic started this pickle of a thread. I was thinking of the movie Rocky, where the antagonist is called "The master of disaster," and "the king of sting." These are titles (or aliases) but his one and only name is Apollo Creed. There are not too many verses that actually come out and say what God's name is.

Exodus 3:15 (NLT)
God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel: Yahweh, the God of your ancestors—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.

This is my eternal name,
my name to remember for all generations
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here is another thread I just created to prove Christ is YHWH.
Oy vey! Always with trinitarians do other verses (and now threads) prove your doctrine.

In this thread, I proved the name of God is YHWH. Christ’s name is not YHWH. Ergo, Jesus is not God. Simple.

You claim the proof is so complicated, you cannot present it here. What a joke!
 
Here is another thread proving Christ is YHWH. I'm not sure how much more evidence is needed
Just a single verse that says something like what you claim, "Christ is YHWH."

The very fact that you rely on mountains of artificial synthesis based eisegesis and mystical dualism proves what you claim is not there.

If you could instead by beginning with the simple truth, that there actually is no verse that says Jesus is God, that would go a long way to bringing your credibility to the acceptable level. Something like, "Even though there is no verse that actually says Jesus is YHWH, I think he still is YHWH incarnate because ..."
 
Just a single verse that says something like what you claim, "Christ is YHWH."

The very fact that you rely on mountains of artificial synthesis based eisegesis and mystical dualism proves what you claim is not there.
I have provided dozens of OT and NT passages that declare He is God ( YHWH ). Ill be back in a bit I have a mens discipleship group I'm meeting with for a few hours this morning.
 
Throughout biblical history, names were used to express the character of the one so named. Sometimes their names were changed in scheme with a change in character. Jacob/Israel... Abram/Abraham...Saul/Paul. In Exodus 34, Moses asks God to show him His glory. God did exactly that by revealing to Moses His name...
KJV Exodus 34:5-7
5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

This association with glory and character is carried on by the Son of God, Jesus.

KJV John 17:5
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

KJV John 17:6, 10-12, 22-23
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

The name referred to here isn't a personal name, but the character of the Father reflected through His Son, the Son being the express image of His Father in character... In love... In grace, mercy and truth. They shared therefore the same glory... The same character... The same name...the Son inheriting that name as a true begotten Son.

KJV Hebrews 1:1-4, 8
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
 
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I have provided dozens of OT and NT passages that declare He is God ( YHWH ).
No you didn’t do that. Instead of providing a single verse that says something like what you claim, "Christ is YHWH," You did this …
The very fact that you rely on mountains of artificial synthesis based eisegesis and mystical dualism proves what you claim is not there.
Let me say it again. You provided dozens of verses because none say what you claim. This is reliance on artificial synthesis. Using such a technique anyone can ‘support’ any doctrine.

On top of this, you deny thousands of verses that prove Jesus is not God.
 
The Word was God, and so you must expend all efforts saying the Word is not Jesus.

To get around the direct meaning.
The word was a god (authority), not God (a Being). NOT Jesus was God. You keep wanting to pretend words are a Being.

The name of God is not "word" or Jesus but YHWH and no rationalization will change this basic fact.
 
The word was a god (authority), not God (a Being). NOT Jesus was God. You keep wanting to pretend words are a Being.

The name of God is not "word" or Jesus but YHWH and no rationalization will change this basic fact.

There's no direct words you could not reinterpret with a commitment not to read them that way.

Argument is not a means of revelation.
 
KJV Jeremiah 23:5-6
5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
 
The name of God, as revealed in the Hebrew Scriptures, is YHWH (the closest English equivalents to the Hebrew letters). Ancient Hebrew did not have vowels, so the exact pronunciation of YHWH is uncertain. The vast majority of Hebrew and Christian scholars believe the name to be Yahweh, pronounced /ˈyä-wā/, with Yehowah, pronounced /yi-ˈhō-və/, being the second most popular possibility.

There are movements that strongly emphasize using God’s name (and, of course, only the name of God that they believe to be correct). However, there are no biblical prohibitions against using God’s name, nor are there commands that we must do so. Anyone who says that God must be addressed only by His name, YHWH, is speaking without biblical warrant.

Throughout both the Old and New Testaments, God inspired the human authors of Scripture to refer to Him using generic terms for “God” and “Lord.” Beyond YHWH, God chose to reveal Himself using many other names and titles. So, clearly, using God’s name is not required.

YHWH is as close to a personal name as God has revealed to us. The Divine Name was revealed to Moses and was unknown before his time: “I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by my name the LORD [YHWH] I did not make myself fully known to them” (Exodus 6:3). The name YHWH seems to refer to God’s self-existence, being linked to “I AM THAT I AM” in Exodus 3:14. God told Moses that “this is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation” (Exodus 3:15; cf. Exodus 15:3). All other “names” for God, such as El Shaddai, are probably titles, rather than personal names, strictly speaking—although it is quite proper to address God by His titles. References to “the name of our God” (in Psalm 44:20, for example), are oblique references to God’s personal name, YHWH.


EL, ELOAH [el, el-oh-ah]: God "mighty, strong, prominent" (Nehemiah 9:17; Psalm 139:19) – etymologically, El appears to mean “power” and “might” (Genesis 31:29). El is associated with other qualities, such as integrity (Numbers 23:19), jealousy (Deuteronomy 5:9), and compassion (Nehemiah 9:31), but the root idea of “might” remains.

ELOHIM [el-oh-heem]: God “Creator, Mighty and Strong” (Genesis 17:7; Jeremiah 31:33) – the plural form of Eloah, which accommodates the doctrine of the Trinity. From the Bible’s first sentence, the superlative nature of God’s power is evident as God (Elohim) speaks the world into existence (Genesis 1:1).

EL SHADDAI [el-shah-dahy]: “God Almighty,” “The Mighty One of Jacob” (Genesis 49:24; Psalm 132:2,5) – speaks to God’s ultimate power over all.

ADONAI [ˌædɒˈnaɪ; ah-daw-nahy]: “Lord” (Genesis 15:2; Judges 6:15) – used in place of YHWH, which was thought by the Jews to be too sacred to be uttered by sinful men. In the Old Testament, YHWH is more often used in God’s dealings with His people, while Adonai is used more when He deals with the Gentiles.

YHWH / YAHWEH / JEHOVAH [yah-way / ji-hoh-veh]: “LORD” (Deuteronomy 6:4; Daniel 9:14) – strictly speaking, the only proper name for God. Translated in English Bibles “LORD” (all capitals) to distinguish it from Adonai, “Lord.” The revelation of the name is given to Moses “I Am who I Am” (Exodus 3:14). This name specifies an immediacy, a presence. Yahweh is present, accessible, near to those who call on Him for deliverance (Psalm 107:13), forgiveness (Psalm 25:11) and guidance (Psalm 31:3).

YAHWEH-JIREH [yah-way-ji-reh]: "The Lord Will Provide" (Genesis 22:14) – the name memorialized by Abraham when God provided the ram to be sacrificed in place of Isaac.

YAHWEH-RAPHA [yah-way-raw-faw]: "The Lord Who Heals" (Exodus 15:26) – “I am Jehovah who heals you” both in body and soul. In body, by preserving from and curing diseases, and in soul, by pardoning iniquities.

YAHWEH-NISSI [yah-way-nee-see]: "The Lord Our Banner" (Exodus 17:15), where banner is understood to be a rallying place. This name commemorates the desert victory over the Amalekites in Exodus 17.

YAHWEH-M'KADDESH [yah-way-meh-kad-esh]: "The Lord Who Sanctifies, Makes Holy" (Leviticus 20:8; Ezekiel 37:28) – God makes it clear that He alone, not the law, can cleanse His people and make them holy.

YAHWEH-SHALOM [yah-way-shah-lohm]: "The Lord Our Peace" (Judges 6:24) – the name given by Gideon to the altar he built after the Angel of the Lord assured him he would not die as he thought he would after seeing Him.

YAHWEH-ELOHIM [yah-way-el-oh-him]: "LORD God" (Genesis 2:4; Psalm 59:5) – a combination of God’s unique name YHWH and the generic word for “God” signifying that He is the Lord who is God.

YAHWEH-TSIDKENU [yah-way-tzid-kay-noo]: "The Lord Our Righteousness” (Jeremiah 33:16) – As with YHWH-M’Kaddesh, it is God alone who provides righteousness (from the Hebrew word tsidkenu) to man, ultimately in the person of His Son, Jesus Christ, who became sin for us “that we might become the Righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

YAHWEH-ROHI [yah-way-roh-hee]: "The Lord Our Shepherd" (Psalm 23:1) – After David pondered his relationship as a shepherd to his sheep, he realized that was exactly the relationship God had with him, and so he declares, “Yahweh-Rohi is my Shepherd. I shall not want” (Psalm 23:1).

YAHWEH-SHAMMAH [yah-way-sham-mahw]: "The Lord Is There” (Ezekiel 48:35) – the name ascribed to Jerusalem and the Temple there, indicating that the once-departed glory of the Lord (Ezekiel 8—11) had returned (Ezekiel 44:1-4).

YAHWEH-SABAOTH [yah-way-sah-bah-ohth]: "The Lord of Hosts" (Isaiah 1:24; Psalm 46:7) – Hosts means “hordes,” both of angels and of men. He is Lord of the host of heaven and of the inhabitants of the earth, of Jews and Gentiles, of rich and poor, master and slave. The name is expressive of the majesty, power, and authority of God and shows that He is able to accomplish what He determines to do.

EL ELYON [el-el-yohn]: “Most High" (Deuteronomy 26:19) – derived from the Hebrew root for “go up” or “ascend,” so the implication is of that which is the very highest. El Elyon denotes exaltation and speaks of absolute right to lordship.

EL ROI [el-roh-ee]: "God of Seeing" (Genesis 16:13) – the name ascribed to God by Hagar, alone and desperate in the wilderness after being driven out by Sarah (Genesis 16:1-14). When Hagar met the Angel of the Lord, she realized she had seen God Himself in a theophany. She also realized that El Roi saw her in her distress and testified that He is a God who lives and sees all.

EL-OLAM [el-oh-lahm]: "Everlasting God" (Psalm 90:1-3) – God’s nature is without beginning or end, free from all constraints of time, and He contains within Himself the very cause of time itself. “From everlasting to everlasting, You are God” (Psalm 90:2).

EL-GIBHOR [el-ghee-bohr]: “Mighty God” (Isaiah 9:6) – the name describing the Messiah, Christ Jesus, in this prophetic portion of Isaiah. As a powerful and mighty warrior, the Messiah, the Mighty God, will accomplish the destruction of God’s enemies and rule with a rod of iron (Revelation 19:15).got?

hope this helps !!!
The most important Foundational Truth concerning God's Name is how HE officially declared Himself to us and His Name to us.

Since there was/is a pantheon of gods in this current Age, it was essential that Elohim(Plural) distinguish Himself from all the other elohim(gods).

This Distinction of Himself begins in Genesis and is quantifed/qualified in Exodus and then Proven in the Gospel and Revelation.

Peace
 
Except Jesus commanding us to keep YHWH’s name holy.
The Most Holy Name given to us from the FATHER is the Name above all names = LORD Jesus Christ

Acts ch4 - "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
 
The Most Holy Name given to us from the FATHER is the Name above all names = LORD Jesus Christ

Acts ch4 - "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
You read my mind lol with those 2 passages. :)
 
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