101G
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John 14:1 "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me." John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
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God's grace to forgive and transform is not conditioned to recognizing Jesus' deity, blood atonement or physical resurrection
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101G
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are not ELDERS prophets also? and are not the gifts of the Holy Ghost for women also. and was not Priscilla the wife of Aquila a BISHOP/Pastor, just as Paul was? see Romans 16:3 and look up the term "Helper" there and see what it means.
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Pancho Frijoles
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Do we call God “Father” because God is male?
As you said, that is the biblical MODEL.
A model of thinking, visualizing, explaining. But we know God is not a Father… not a Mother… God is both things and none of those things.
Pancho Frijoles
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How do you apply your biblical thinking to the scenario @synergy and Pancho are discussing?
Did you read the scenario? I’d like to know your opinion.
Pancho Frijoles
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How do you apply that verse to the scenario that @synergy and Pancho are discussing?
Did you read the scenario? I’d like to know your opinion.
101G
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good point, but just as the manifestation of a woman is not always in GENDER, but in function. for do not men ... CARRY ... the gospel, yes, because it's a FUNCTION, and not a gender.
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well the NATURE of God is Spirit, and the function of that Spirit acts, and is personalized, or personified in the Nature/Gender as masculine which is having qualities or an appearance traditionally associated with men as MALES.
and God in his qualities refers to himself as masculine.
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@Pancho Frijoles,
When God made the Genders on day 6 was it not the qualities that made the difference in the Genders? is not one of the qualities God possess is "FIRST" in reference to the term Father? is it not.
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When God made the Genders on day 6 was it not the qualities that made the difference in the Genders? is not one of the qualities God possess is "FIRST" in reference to the term Father? is it not.
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civic
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civic
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scenerios fall short unless it comes form the bible.
once again its truth claims from the Bible as the source of truth or human reasoning/logic.
I go with Scripture not mans thoughts, ideas, concepts etc......
Gods word is the right parhway that always leads one into all truth.
101G
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but hold it a second, are not the TITLES, "Father" and "Son" are of the Holy Spirit, and the Spirit have feminine functions. is there not only ONE Spirit?
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civic
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was the Son Jesus Christ male, a man ? yes or no
101G
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in Gender or function? for son is a "character" quality, because a female can be a son also, G5207, huios. "Son", primarily signifies the relation of offspring to parent. It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics. descendants, without reference to sex, Rom 9:27
Did not the Lord Jesus say he is the “Wisdom” of God? Yes, and is not Wisdom personified as feminine in function? but
in qualities masculine, because of the source.
so 101G agree that the Lord Jesus the Christ was a MAN. because of the source.
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Beautiful
And this is how we love God = by Believing His Word who is His Son who is the Savior and LIGHT of the world
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.”f
101G
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To all, Amen..... that is to KNOW who the Lord Jesus is, God almighty, HIMSELF, shared equally in flesh and bone. this the first principle of the Oracle of God, TO "KNOW" HIM. supportive scripture, Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat." Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe." Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."
please understand, 101G do not KNOW all about God, nor do any ... "ONE" .... man or woman, but 101G is willing to LEARN all he can about God. for we all are brother in the Spirit.......the ONE TRUE GOD, who is the Lord Jesus ..... the Ordinal LAST, and he, the Lord Jesus is also the Ordinal FIRST/without flesh and bone. he is the First and, and, and, ... "AND" ... he is the Last, per scripture. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." I, I, I, am he? yes, a single Person holding dual titles, First/Father and Last/Son. for the First/Father is "ALSO" the Last/Son. supportive scripture, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." yes, ... "Also the Last, same one Person. the titles "Father" and "Son" are just that.... TITLES ..... of the same one Person, JESUS, OUT or IN flesh. the Son is the Father, SHARED in Spirit, Equally in a fleshly body. for as said, the TITLE, "Son" represent metaphorically, one's character or the person characteristics. and the Lord Jesus in flesh have the exact same character or the characteristics of his OWNSELF in flesh, as well as Spirit/without flesh, for he is the EXACT same "ONE" person shared equally. supportive scripture, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
here "Express" is synonyms with exact, yes, the same character or the person characteristics. which is the IMAGE of his... "PERSON". and that IMAGE is his Character.
G5481 χαρακτήρ charakter (cha-rak-teer') n.
1. an engraver (the tool or the person).
2. (by implication) an engraving.
3. (hence) a “character,” the figure stamped.
4. (by extension) an exact copy.
5. (figuratively) a representation.
[from charasso “to sharpen to a point” (akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching)]
KJV: express image
so the term son here is just a TITLE of the ONE PERSON God shared in Flesh and bones. yes, his, GOD, ..... OWN ARM. supportive scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me." HIS "OWN" ARM is he himself, shared in a body of flesh and blood in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') 1. to make empty..... STATE. hence in this state, he LEARN, and GREW.... Just read Isaiah chapter 53.
as said the FEAR of the LORD is the beginning of the Wisdom of God, and the understanding of God. and he is our EXAMPLE.
may God bless ... ALL of US.
101G.
I'm ok with discussing scenarios. I'm glad to see that you enjoy them.
Only humans (Priests in the Traditional Churches) have been given the spiritual gift and authority to forgive sins on behalf of God (Jesus). The AI Jesus is out of luck in this respect. Here are some key passages:
1. John 20:21-23
> "Again Jesus said, 'Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.' And with that, he breathed on them and said, 'Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.'"
This passage is often cited as Jesus granting His apostles the authority to forgive sins through the power of the Holy Spirit. It forms the basis for the sacrament of reconciliation in Christian traditions.
2. Matthew 16:18-19
> "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
Here, Jesus grants Peter (and by extension the Church) the authority to "bind" and "loose," which includes forgiving or retaining sins.
3. Leviticus 5:5-6
> "When anyone becomes aware that they are guilty in any of these matters, they must confess in what way they have sinned. As a penalty for the sin they have committed, they must bring to the Lord a female lamb or goat from the flock as a sin offering; and the priest shall make atonement for them for their sin."
In the Old Testament, priests were given the role of mediators who made atonement for the sins of the people.
These verses highlight the biblical foundation for the priestly authority to forgive sins, particularly within the context of confession and reconciliation. Interpretations may vary among different Christian traditions, with some emphasizing this authority as unique to ordained clergy and others viewing it as applicable to the broader community of believers.
It's only through Jesus that we see the Father. The Bible is clear on that.
The important thing here is that it has been conclusively shown that your allah is no better than an AI Jesus in forgiving sins. Your allah has been dethroned again! In my other analyses, I have conclusively demonstrated that allah is no better than the god of death, a demon in other words.
Pancho Frijoles
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Dear friends
Merry Christmas to you all.
In the scenario, the man who repents genuinely is forgiven and transformed EVEN IF HE PRAYS TO AN AI-generated Jesus.
This is because forgiveness and spiritual regeneration is not the result of the wisdom or ignorance of man, but of the grace of God.
Salvation is an undeserved gift that does not depend on how good we are at interpreting Galatians or the gospel of John… or the human, divine, or digital nature and authority we adjudicate to the mediator.
The Catholic priest, for example, could be praying: “Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen”
God examines the heart of the sinner and operates the miracle, regardless of how superstitious, ignorant or intelligent the sinner is.
Remember that God loves the sinner and knows his heart. God is actively interested in making of that sinner a saint.
So, going to the scenario, and looking at the image below, let’s call
- Gurpreet the Sikh man on the left,
- Dwight the man in the middle, who prays to an AI-generated Jesus, and
- Antonio the Catholic priest on the right.
Do you think that Antonio was forgiven and changed by God, but not Dwight and Gurpreet?
The question is for all to answer.
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civic
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no one can be saved apart from the gospel message about Jesus. its just that simple- no gospel, no salvation.
Romans 10: 8-17 tells us exactly the above.
conclusion: artificial is not real, its a substitute for the real.
artificial sweetner is not sugar, an artificial jesus is not the real Jesus but a fake.
good thing you like analogies and scenarios so you can see the errors in your thinking.
Pancho Frijoles
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So, who forgave Dwight and Antonio?
Who changed them into honest men?
Ask the question to a seven year old girl at Sunday School and see what she answers.
civic
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no Jesus, no salvation, no gospel, no salvation.
Thats what the Bible teaches which is the source of truth for all born again believers in Christ.
I could care les about man made scenerios when they are in opposition to Scripture.
I'm opposed to the arguments and the philosophies of man.
Col 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ
1 Timothy 6:20-21
O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you. Avoid irreverent, empty chatter and the opposing arguments of so-called “knowledge,” / which some have professed and thus swerved away from the faith. Grace be with you all.
1 Corinthians 3:18-20
Let no one deceive himself. If any of you thinks he is wise in this age, he should become a fool, so that he may become wise. / For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness.” / And again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.”
2 Corinthians 11:3-4
I am afraid, however, that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may be led astray from your simple and pure devotion to Christ. / For if someone comes and proclaims a Jesus other than the One we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit than the One you received, or a different gospel than the one you accepted, you put up with it very easily.
Galatians 1:6-9
I am amazed how quickly you are deserting the One who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— / which is not even a gospel. Evidently some people are troubling you and trying to distort the gospel of Christ. / But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a curse!
hope this helps !!!
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