God's grace to forgive and transform is not conditioned to recognizing Jesus' deity, blood atonement or physical resurrection

[101G]

I believe the Spirit that was in the Lord's Christ, the Wisdom that was in the Lord's Christ, to Love that was in the Lord's Christ, existed with God, and was God in the very beginning. I believe this Spirit was given to Jesus after HE had "learned obedience from the things HE suffered", when HE had grown in the wisdom and knowledge of God, even being surrounded by men who "professed to know God" but were actually children of the devil. This Spirit of God was given to HIM, in His late 20's or early 30's, after being anointed into God's Priesthood by a true Levite Priest, JTB, "as per the Law" and as Prophesied in the Law and Prophets.

first thank for the reply. and it's referring to discuss instead of arguing, thanks. second May 101G point something out about the Lord Jesus as being God before and after the beginning. now you said, "I believe the Spirit that was in the Lord's Christ, the Wisdom that was in the Lord's Christ, to Love that was in the Lord's Christ, existed with God, and was God in the very beginning.' now scripture, Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." God is a Spirit, and there is only ONE SPIRIT. so the Spirit that was in that body is God. which make your statement null, for you said, "I believe this Spirit was given to Jesus after HE had "learned obedience from the things HE suffered", when HE had grown in the wisdom and knowledge of God" remember that' God in that body already, per Matthew 1:23. so now we have a dilemma ... of a sort. for Matthew 1:23 shows us that it was God in that body at the birth of that flesh. and yes, the spirit, notice lower case of Spirit was in that body because of the G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō'), being emptied. now since there is only ONE "Spirit", and Christ at his Baptism was anointed with the Spirit, (his own Spirit, per Isaiah 63:5), at his baptism. so is it two Spirits? no, only ONE, so this proves that God is a plurality ..... of himself. for the spirit that was in that body at the flesh birth was God in G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state as Phil 2:6-8 states..
so now, this G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') of the Spirit answer two question, the Lord is the LORD in flesh in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state. so is this in PERSONS or Nature in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state? if a Person, now one has divided God, because the son was in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state, and since it's only ONE Spirit, then we must by bible must answer or show in the bible how much of the ONE Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō')? 1/3 for the ONE person called the son? see the error on persons. for the Spirit is not divided, or is separated. if so, then one have three "Gods" in Nature as well as the current three person claim.

now, if we obey the bible, and believe what God word say, the Only answer is in NATURE, not a separate nature but the same NATURE in a plurality of the EQUAL SHARE, just as Philippians 2:6 states "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" the plurality of God is in the EQUAL SHARE of HIMSELF. as Philippians 2:6 states "Who, being in the form of God, and that form is NATURE. and this Nature is EQUAL. so if the equality is in Person, then Philippians 2:7 is incorrect, "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" for the bible clearly states the "Lord" Jesus LEARNED. so, it couldn't be in Persons. so what's left is "NATURE", and that Nature is in SHARE, EQUALLY, just as Philippians 2:6 clearly states. for the root word of FORM/G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') is G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n. which means1. a portion (i.e. an amount allotted, a part of something).
both portion and allotted, or allotment is synonyms with "SHARE" so the Lord Jesus is the EQUAL SHARE of himself (the Spirit/the LORD) in flesh in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state. which answer the Psalms 110:1 question concerning the LORD and the Lord. for the "Lord" is the "LORD" SHARED EQUALLY in flesh in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state of his OWN-SELF. BINGO. 101G suggest you re-read this post for clearly. if you have any question, just ask.

101G.

 

[Studyman]

first thank for the reply. and it's referring to discuss instead of arguing, thanks. second May 101G point something out about the Lord Jesus as being God before and after the beginning. now you said, "I believe the Spirit that was in the Lord's Christ, the Wisdom that was in the Lord's Christ, to Love that was in the Lord's Christ, existed with God, and was God in the very beginning.' now scripture, Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." God is a Spirit, and there is only ONE SPIRIT.

Yes, Matthew quoted the Prophesy about him.

Is. 9: 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

When did God place the government on His Shoulders? When HE was 3? 10? 15? Even 20 years old? When was HE called these things? Before "God, His God, hath anointed Him with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." or After?

My friend, every human ever born is given a spirit by God. So it is essential in this discussion to accept the undeniable "biblical" truth that there is a Spirit of God and a spirit of man. To say that Jesus was not born with the spirit of man, or His own will, is to deny that HE was born a flesh and blood human. There is a spirit which promotes this philosophy, but I am not possessed with it. This is why I posted David's prophesy and asked the question I asked. Was Jesus walking on water at 6 months old? Was HE healing sick people at 5 years old? Is there even "ONE" example in all the known Transcripts which compile the only known source of knowledge concerning God and His Prophesied Messiah, where Jesus taught men about God, did Miracles or forgave Sins prior to the anointing of John the Baptist? The answer is NO! This is not my opinion, nor did I learn this Truth from a preacher who promotes one of this world's "many" religious sects and businesses. You can read these truths for yourself as they exist in the Oracles of God, we both have in our own homes. "For what if some do not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar".

Matt. 3: 13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, "to be baptized of him". 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. (It was God's Law that a Priest be anointed into the Priesthood by a Levite Priest) Then he suffered him.

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Matt. 4: 17 From that time Jesus "began to preach", and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Prior to this, Jesus was "learning obedience through the things HE suffered". He was "Growing in Wisdom and favor with God, as it is written.

Luke 2: 40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the "grace of God" was upon him.

52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

But my friend, you are promoting the popular religious philosophy that God's Spirit, not man's, was given HIM from birth. Does God's Spirit need to "grow in wisdom"? Why would Jesus need to "increase in Favor with God", if, as this world's religions promote, HE was God from His birth? Why did Jesus NEED "God's Grace"? What is "Grace"?

And after JTB anointed Him, why then was it necessary for God to Give God's Spirit to Him all over again, if HE was already God from birth?

Because I have escaped this world's religious franchises and sects, and the philosophies, doctrines, judgments and traditions of men they promote, I am freed by the Christ "of the bible" to ask these questions and can easily accept the clear truth of the answers.

so the Spirit that was in that body is God. which make your statement null, for you said, "I believe this Spirit was given to Jesus after HE had "learned obedience from the things HE suffered", when HE had grown in the wisdom and knowledge of God" remember that' God in that body already, per Matthew 1:23. so now we have a dilemma ... of a sort. for Matthew 1:23 shows us that it was God in that body at the birth of that flesh.

No, Jesus was born with a man's spirit, a man's will, just as His brothers. And like His Brothers, God gives His spirit to those who obey Him. And Jesus "Lived By" His Father's Words, HE knew HE was sent to do His Father's work, His Father's Will, not His Own, because the Scriptures prophesied of such. And HE knew they would kill Him for it, but HE did it anyway, for me. I will not demean His Great Sacrifice, Faith and devotion to His Father by preaching to others HE was really God and therefore risked nothing for anyone.

And now HE is my Savior, my High Priest, advocating between me and His God and my God even to this day. Without Him there is no Salvation for me, and without His Father, there is no Jesus.

My hope is that others will turn from this world's religions, and their images of God and their high days, and judgments, and follow the instructions of the Jesus "of the bible".

If we can clear up the questions concerning this part of your post, I am glad to continue on to discussing the rest.

 

[civic]

Well, I don't deny that HE is my Lord as you know, based on my Posts. He is mediating between me and His Father even now. How is HE not my Savior in such a capacity? But I have come to know how important it is for men to promote their adopted religion; in the same way the Pharisees were obsessed with promoting their adopted religion. There is nothing I can do about that.

The Lord is the creator of everything and everyone that exists. You deny Christ is that Lord.

Next fallacy

 

[Studyman]

Why do you need mediation?

Well Jesus is the Mediator between God and man. Whether or not a man believes he needs Him to mediate on his behalf, is completely irrelevant to that fact, in my view. And that's the wrong question to ask, isn't it? The real question would be, "how can Jesus mediate on behalf of a man HE doesn't even know". And HE says of men who call Him Lord, Lord, but live in transgression of God's Laws, that He doesn't know them. For me, I am not yet perfect as I have told you many times, and therefore it is important to me, that Jesus knows me. Not on your terms, or the religious philosophies of this world you promote, but on HIS Terms as spoken by Him in the Holy Scriptures. So that in those times when I fall, I can humble myself to God in repentance, and have hope that Jesus will mediate on my behalf.

I'll give you an example. All your judgments against men about how they don't please God, they don't obey God, they don't follow Jesus and on and on and on. This preaching of yours can stir some resentment in any man including me, given you know less not nothing about me. And your refusal or apparent inability to have an actual honest discussion about what scriptures actually say, is a common practice of the preachers in Jesus Time, and of mine as well. And men could have assumed that your "works" reveals a man devoid of God's Love and therefore assume that you do these things on purpose and fit the description Jesus gave in His Warning about the "many" who come in His Name.

But if I'm honest with myself, I know less than nothing about you also. For all I know you might be in a home for the mentally disabled, hungry for companionship with a laptop and the mental desire to be relevant. Placed there by God to test me to see if I will walk in His Law or not.

And how could I know? The truth is I can't know. Therefore, I should not make assumptions like you made about me, for whatever reason, it doesn't matter, as it is returning evil with evil.

Now in this example, If I was truly sorry that I didn't consider these things earlier and had harbored resentment in my heart. Then from this point forward, I would no longer do so, in the hope that Jesus knows me and will offer my repentance to God on my behalf.

This is why men need a mediator that knows them, in my view.

 

[101G]

My friend, every human ever born is given a spirit by God.

First thank for the reply, but has any human been given the Spirit without measure?

So it is essential in this discussion to accept the undeniable "biblical" truth that there is a Spirit of God and a spirit of man.

101G agree see above.

To say that Jesus was not born with the spirit of man, or His own will, is to deny that HE was born a flesh and blood human.

the Lord Jesus is ETERNAN, without mother or father. please listen, no human birth a spirit, as said spirits are given, just as Isaiah 9:6 states. the only thing a human can give is flesh bone and blood.... a BODY for a spirit to reside or dwell in.

There is a spirit which promotes this philosophy, but I am not possessed with it. This is why I posted David's prophesy and asked the question I asked. Was Jesus walking on water at 6 months old? Was HE healing sick people at 5 years old? Is there even "ONE" example in all the known Transcripts which compile the only known source of knowledge concerning God and His Prophesied Messiah, where Jesus taught men about God, did Miracles or forgave Sins prior to the anointing of John the Baptist? The answer is NO! This is not my opinion, nor did I learn this Truth from a preacher who promotes one of this world's "many" religious sects and businesses. You can read these truths for yourself as they exist in the Oracles of God, we both have in our own homes. "For what if some do not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of Godspirit business at 12 years old. do you know any without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar".

was he not about his Father/Spirit business at 12 years old? how many 12 year old you know can discuss God word with the season doctors of the time? well read Isaiah 50:5 and see while in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state increasing in his youth and teen years, "The Lord GOD hath opened mine ear, and I was not rebellious, neither turned away back." Isaiah 50:6 "I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting." Isaiah 50:7 "For the Lord GOD will help me; therefore shall I not be confounded: therefore have I set my face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be ashamed." Isaiah 50:8 "He is near that justifieth me; who will contend with me? let us stand together: who is mine adversary? let him come near to me." Isaiah 50:9 "Behold, the Lord GOD will help me; who is he that shall condemn me? lo, they all shall wax old as a garment; the moth shall eat them up."

this was before the anointing. perparing for it. because it was his own Spirit that was teaching him while in that G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state.

Matt. 3: 13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, "to be baptized of him". 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. (It was God's Law that a Priest be anointed into the Priesthood by a Levite Priest) Then he suffered him.

this is the perparing 101G speak of. as said, he G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') HIMSELF for this reason. why? do you KNOW? answer for he is the "ARM of GOD" in flesh. do you really understand that phrase? if not 101G suggest you read 2 Chronicles chapter 32 especially verses, Oh well 101G will post them for you. 2 Chronicles 32:7 "Be strong and courageous, be not afraid nor dismayed for the king of Assyria, nor for all the multitude that is with him: for there be more with us than with him:" 2 Chronicles 32:8 "With him is an arm of flesh; but with us is the LORD our God to help us, and to fight our battles. And the people rested themselves upon the words of Hezekiah king of Judah."

when you understand what an "ARM of Flesh" is as with the Lord Jesus as the Son, then all bible questions are answer or will be answered.

But my friend, you are promoting the popular religious philosophy that God's Spirit, not man's, was given HIM from birth. Does God's Spirit need to "grow in wisdom"? Why would Jesus need to "increase in Favor with God", if, as this world's religions promote, HE was God from His birth? Why did Jesus NEED "God's Grace"? What is "Grace"?

again, see above.

And after JTB anointed Him, why then was it necessary for God to Give God's Spirit to Him all over again, if HE was already God from birth?

he is OUR Example, in flesh he is like, not us, but LIKE US, again see above.

If we can clear up the questions concerning this part of your post, I am glad to continue on to discussing the rest.

let's continue for this is getting good. now do you fully understand why God shared himself in flesh?
it will answer the, "I came to do my Father will", and why, "Mu Father is GREATER than I"..... (smile). 101G suggest you fully understand GOD'S "OWN ARM, which is an "ARM of FLESH.... (smile).

so let's continue and get the TRUTH. looking to hear from you.

101G.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Well Jesus is the Mediator between God and man. Whether or not a man believes he needs Him to mediate on his behalf, is completely irrelevant to that fact, in my view.

You said that Jesus is your mediator. You even went as far as to insist that Jesus is your mediator right now. You must deal with this. You can't ignore the fact that you said this.

And that's the wrong question to ask, isn't it? The real question would be, "how can Jesus mediate on behalf of a man HE doesn't even know". And HE says of men who call Him Lord, Lord, but live in transgression of God's Laws, that He doesn't know them.

No. It is not the wrong question to ask. You said it. It contradicts what you preach about Jesus Christ. Then you "make this nonsense up" in an attempt to explain away your contradiction.

You're lying about Christ.

Joh 2:25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.

 

[101G]

Well Jesus is the Mediator between God and man. Whether or not a man believes he needs Him to mediate on his behalf, is completely irrelevant to that fact, in my view. And that's the wrong question to ask, isn't it? The real question would be, "how can Jesus mediate on behalf of a man HE doesn't even know".

he knows us all. and to mediate is his to do, is he not the creator?

101G.

 

[101G]

how can the clay say to potter, why make me this way. do not the potter have power over the clay?

101G.

 

[Studyman]

The Lord is the creator of everything and everyone that exists. You deny Christ is that Lord.

Next fallacy

I understand how important your image of God in the likeness of man is Civic.

Nevertheless, perhaps there are others who also question the hypocrisy, philosophies and images of God promoted by this world's religions, so for their edification and mine, I will post more of Paul's words.

Col. 1: 1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will "of God", and Timotheus our brother, 2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God "our Father" and "the Lord" Jesus Christ. 3 We give thanks to God and the Father "of our Lord Jesus Christ", praying always for you,

10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

12 Giving thanks "unto the Father", "which hath made us" meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and (the Father) "hath translated us" into the kingdom of his dear Son:

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood (Life), even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the "image" of the "invisible God", the firstborn "of every creature":

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, "the church": who is the beginning, the firstborn "from the dead"; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For "it pleased the Father" that in him should all fulness dwell;

1 Cor. 11: 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man "is Christ"; and the head of the woman "is the man"; and the head of Christ "is God".

Without God the Father, there is No Lord Jesus, No Salvation, No eternal Life.

 

[Johann]

1 Cor. 11: 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man "is Christ"; and the head of the woman "is the man"; and the head of Christ "is God".

Without God the Father, there is No Lord Jesus, No Salvation, No eternal Life.

Greek Text (Textus Receptus)
προσδεχόμενοι τὴν μακαρίαν ἐλπίδα καὶ ἐπιφάνειαν τῆς δόξης τοῦ μεγάλου Θεοῦ καὶ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ.

Literal Translation
"Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ."

Grammatical Analysis
"τοῦ μεγάλου Θεοῦ καὶ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν"

τοῦ μεγάλου Θεοῦ (tou megalou Theou): "The great God" is in the genitive case, referring to possession or description.

The definite article (τοῦ) ties this noun phrase directly to Jesus Christ in the structure of the sentence.

καὶ σωτῆρος (kai sōtēros): "And Savior" is also in the genitive case and connected to Theou by the conjunction καὶ ("and"). The genitive indicates that both titles (God and Savior) describe one subject.

Granville Sharp Rule:

In Greek grammar, the Granville Sharp rule applies when:

Two singular, personal, and non-proper nouns (e.g., Theos and Sōtēr) are joined by καὶ ("and").

The first noun has a definite article (τοῦ), but the second does not.

In this construction, both nouns refer to the same person, Jesus Christ. Thus, "the great God and Savior" is one entity, not two separate persons.

"Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ" (Iēsou Christou):

The name "Jesus Christ" is in apposition to the preceding genitive phrase, identifying Jesus as the "great God and Savior" being spoken of.

Theological Implications
Deity of Christ:

This verse explicitly refers to Jesus as Theos ("God"), affirming His divine nature. The phrase "the great God" highlights His supreme authority, equating Him with the God of Israel.

Savior of Humanity:

The title Sōtēr ("Savior") shows Jesus’ role in redemption. In the Greek world, sōtēr often referred to deliverers or rescuers, but in the biblical context, it is uniquely tied to God's saving work (cf. Isaiah 43:11, LXX: ἐγώ εἰμι κύριος... καὶ σωτὴρ οὐκ ἔστιν πλὴν ἐμοῦ).
Eschatological Hope:

The phrase "the appearing of the glory" (ἐπιφάνειαν τῆς δόξης) refers to Christ's second coming. It ties His deity and saving work to the fulfillment of God's eschatological promises, making Him the centerpiece of Christian hope.
Unity of Titles:

By ascribing both "God" and "Savior" to Jesus in one construction, Paul emphasizes the inseparable relationship between Jesus' divine identity and His salvific work.

Supporting Scriptural Context
John 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
This verse supports the identification of Jesus as Theos.
2 Peter 1:1

"Through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ."
Uses a nearly identical grammatical structure, confirming the application of both titles to Jesus.
Isaiah 9:6 (LXX)

"His name will be called... Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace."
A prophetic reference to the Messiah's divine identity.

Conclusion
The phrase "Jesus, our great God and Savior" in Titus 2:13 is a robust declaration of Jesus’ deity, His role as the Savior of humanity, and His eschatological significance. The grammatical structure, particularly through the application of the Granville Sharp rule, affirms that both titles refer to Jesus Christ, underscoring His dual identity as both God and Savior within Christian theology.

Thanks @Studyman

J.

 

[101G]

The arm of flesh vs The Arm of the LORD, “authority”​

2 Chronicles 32:7 "Be strong and courageous, be not afraid nor dismayed for the king of Assyria, nor for all the multitude that is with him: for there be more with us than with him: 8 With him is an arm of flesh; but with us is the LORD our God to help us, and to fight our battles. And the people rested themselves upon the words of Hezekiah king of Judah". one of the failing prompts of the Unitarians, JW belief, and many others is this. they say, "Jesus is not God", and one of there excuses, "he could do nothing of himself", John 8:28 "Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things”. as the "the ARM of God", he was not authorized to act alone. this is clear as with the Assyrian army. no army act alone, or on their own power. not even our, the American Army, just get up and go to war with another country without authorization from the commander in chief, or congress. just as my own arm, it doesn't wave unless I authorized it to wave. the head gives direction to the body. this is explained in the understanding of the use of POWERS, the G1411 dunamis, and the G1849 exousia. just as the Army can do nothing of their own so do the Lord Jesus, he don't act alone. hence one of the reason why he was in G2758 keno, (to abase, neutralize, or make of none effect). IN FLESH on earth, he is the ONLY BODY of God, (Son), on Earth at that time. but at his baptism he was authorized with G1849 exousia to act in the NAME of God, who doth the work in that body. as to forgive sin, heal the sick, raise the dead, and so on. he is our example of how the G1849 exousia works. (@Studyman, HE ONLY WORK WHEN AUTHORIZED) and that's why we, as 1 John 3:2a states, "now we're the Sons of God". because we were not before. by default, was the son of God, because of the fall. our Lord Jesus having the NATURE, (see Phil 2:5) of God. yes, HAVING, is BEING IN THE FORM of God, having his nature, he took on our humanity. so that as the "KINSMAN" redeemer in flesh and blood, (God's OWN ARM), he then could give that BLOOD, which is the LIFE of the flesh, (see Lev 17:11), and redeem man from sin. this is the "OBJECTIVE" of God, his plan, and his will. and “BEING” in that flesh he carried out his plan of salvation for Man. again his "OWN" arm brought salvation unto him, (see Isaiah 63:5). so that answers the “if Christ is God, how come he could do nothing of himself”. another excuse vanquish, and laid to the side.

and also while in flesh on earth in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') STATE,1. to make empty. yes, in that state the Father/Spirit is greater. but as he said, "I go to the Father" why? answer John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." .... (smile), no longer in that G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') STATE, now in full power again as was .... before, yes all power given him just as Revelation 4:11 clearly states as he SIT, until his enemies are made his footstool.

see, when one understand the Lord Jesus as his OWN ARM then simple or complicated question are answered.

if you have any questions in understanding the ARM of God, just ask.

101G.

 

[civic]

I understand how important your image of God in the likeness of man is Civic.

Nevertheless, perhaps there are others who also question the hypocrisy, philosophies and images of God promoted by this world's religions, so for their edification and mine, I will post more of Paul's words.

Col. 1: 1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will "of God", and Timotheus our brother, 2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God "our Father" and "the Lord" Jesus Christ. 3 We give thanks to God and the Father "of our Lord Jesus Christ", praying always for you,

10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

12 Giving thanks "unto the Father", "which hath made us" meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and (the Father) "hath translated us" into the kingdom of his dear Son:

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood (Life), even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the "image" of the "invisible God", the firstborn "of every creature":

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, "the church": who is the beginning, the firstborn "from the dead"; that in all things he might have the preeminence.19 For "it pleased the Father" that in him should all fulness dwell;

1 Cor. 11: 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man "is Christ"; and the head of the woman "is the man"; and the head of Christ "is God".

Without God the Father, there is No Lord Jesus, No Salvation, No eternal Life.

You ran away from the LORD, so predictable. We are discussing the One Lord as per 1 Cor 8:6.

I understand your denial of Scripture and your BIASED OPINION you read into the Bible to deny Christ is the Only Lord, One Lord declared by the Apostles.

What does ONE mean ?
What does ONLY mean ?

Scripture says He is the One, Only Lord.

1 Cor 8:6
and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

Eph 4:5
one Lord, one faith, one baptism

Rom 10:9-13
1 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

1 Cor 1:2
To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

Jude 4
and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Conclusion: Paul above in Romans declares Christ is the One Lord in the OT a person must confess to be saved y quoting Joel 2:32 ( YHWH ) is that Lord whom Paul identified as Christ. Calling on the Lord for salvation above is calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ in Romans and 1 Corinthians. It's the same ONE LORD.


He was declared Lord at thy birth.
He is declared Lord before His birth
He is declared Lord before creation
He is declared the Lord of creation
He is declared the One Lord
He is declared the Only Lord
He is declared the Lord over all
He is declared the Lord of heaven
He is declared the Lord of Glory
He is declared the One/Only Lord a person must confess to be saved

must I go on ?

hope the helps !!!

 

[Studyman]

First thank for the reply, but has any human been given the Spirit without measure?

My friend, you are missing the point. Jesus was born a flesh and blood human. He was born with His own will, which he denied in order to do the will of His Father. Do you deny this?

101G agree see above.

the Lord Jesus is ETERNAN, without mother or father. please listen, no human birth a spirit, as said spirits are given, just as Isaiah 9:6 states. the only thing a human can give is flesh bone and blood.... a BODY for a spirit to reside or dwell in.

was he not about his Father/Spirit business at 12 years old?

And what was the business of His Father? That HE should grow in wisdom and the knowledge of God, Yes, as the Scriptures I posted teach us? Where else would HE find this knowledge but in the teaching of His parents first, and then that Oracles of God kept by the doctors of the Law in the Temple? "And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.

Would it not also be the business of His Father that HE learn obedience from the things HE suffered?

What was John the Baptist doing at 12 years old? Was he not also looking after the business of His Father and my Father, and Jesus' Father?

how many 12 year old you know can discuss God word with the season doctors of the time?

I know an 11 year old right now who knows more about God than any protestant preacher I have ever spoken to. Didn't Jesus, after God decided HE was ready to begin His Ministry, tell you these same Doctors were children of the devil?

Is it not written, "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it?" Where is the evidence of this in modern religions?

How many 12-year-olds have gone to Sunday school over the last 150 years, being taught by this world's religions? Why hasn't Jesus fulfilled the promise to His disciples to give them the Holy Spirit of Truth? Instead, they only know the spirit of their specific religious franchise or sect. Could it be because it's the religion that leads them astray, and not the Oracles of God?

Why did Jesus need God's Grace? No one wants to openly discuss this.

well read Isaiah 50:5 and see while in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state increasing in his youth and teen years, "The Lord GOD hath opened mine ear, and I was not rebellious, neither turned away back." Isaiah 50:6 "I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting." Isaiah 50:7 "For the Lord GOD will help me; therefore shall I not be confounded: therefore have I set my face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be ashamed." Isaiah 50:8 "He is near that justifieth me; who will contend with me? let us stand together: who is mine adversary? let him come near to me." Isaiah 50:9 "Behold, the Lord GOD will help me; who is he that shall condemn me? lo, they all shall wax old as a garment; the moth shall eat them up."

this was before the anointing. perparing for it. because it was his own Spirit that was teaching him while in that G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state.

Whose Spirit was given to Jesus? Was it not His Father's Spirit, AKA, God's Spirit, AKA, the Holy Spirit?

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:


And was this same "Spirit that was on Christ" not also given to Isaiah? And what about Abel. Was it not the Same Spirit of Christ, also on Abel? And wasn't it this Spirit that caused resentment in Cain?

this is the perparing 101G speak of. as said, he G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') HIMSELF for this reason. why? do you KNOW? answer for he is the "ARM of GOD" in flesh. do you really understand that phrase? if not 101G suggest you read 2 Chronicles chapter 32 especially verses, Oh well 101G will post them for you. 2 Chronicles 32:7 "Be strong and courageous, be not afraid nor dismayed for the king of Assyria, nor for all the multitude that is with him: for there be more with us than with him:" 2 Chronicles 32:8 "With him is an arm of flesh; but with us is the LORD our God to help us, and to fight our battles. And the people rested themselves upon the words of Hezekiah king of Judah."

when you understand what an "ARM of Flesh" is as with the Lord Jesus as the Son, then all bible questions are answer or will be answered.

again, see above.

he is OUR Example, in flesh he is like, not us, but LIKE US, again see above.

let's continue for this is getting good. now do you fully understand why God shared himself in flesh?
it will answer the, "I came to do my Father will", and why, "Mu Father is GREATER than I"..... (smile). 101G suggest you fully understand GOD'S "OWN ARM, which is an "ARM of FLESH.... (smile).

so let's continue and get the TRUTH. looking to hear from you.

101G.

I respectfully disagree with your teaching above. Jesus was Flesh and Blood, but HE didn't "Walk in the Flesh". He "walked in the Good Works God before ordained that we should walk in them". In this way HE was Righteous. HE didn't let Sin reign in His mortal Body, in this way HE was Righteous. He didn't "yield His members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin", in this way HE was Righteous. And we, if we believe Him, will walk even as HE walked, and in this way we too, will be considered by His Father righteous. As it is written.

1 John 3: 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that "doeth righteousness" is righteous, even as he is righteous.

So the works that are to be in God's Children, are not "our" works, "our" righteousness, "our" judgments, rather, Christ's that are in us.

 

[Studyman]

he knows us all. and to mediate is his to do, is he not the creator?

101G.

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say "to me" in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Studyman]

What does ONE mean ?
What does ONLY mean ?

John 17: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might "know thee" the "only" true God, "and" Jesus Christ, whom "thou" hast sent.

Without the God and Father of the Lord's Christ, there is No Life, No Jesus, No Eternal Life, No Salvation.

Men are free to peddle their religious business to whomever they please and promote their images of God and their high days and judgments. We are all placed by God in a world where these "Other Voices" that quote "Some" of God's Word, exists, even as Adam and Eve were. And we are all called to deny ourselves, and the religions of this world God placed us in, and turn to God following the Jesus "of the Bible", AKA, "Walking even as HE walked".

Men who strive to enter into this path that Jesus walked, AKA, "The good works God before ordained that we should walk in them", will be ridiculed and scorned. But these men will be blessed, according to the Jesus "of the bible", and I believe Him.

 

[civic]

John 17: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might "know thee" the "only" true God, "and" Jesus Christ, whom "thou" hast sent.

Without the God and Father of the Lord's Christ, there is No Life, No Jesus, No Eternal Life, No Salvation.

Men are free to peddle their religious business to whomever they please and promote their images of God and their high days and judgments. We are all placed by God in a world where these "Other Voices" that quote "Some" of God's Word, exists, even as Adam and Eve were. And we are all called to deny ourselves, and the religions of this world God placed us in, and turn to God following the Jesus "of the Bible", AKA, "Walking even as HE walked".

Men who strive to enter into this path that Jesus walked, AKA, "The good works God before ordained that we should walk in them", will be ridiculed and scorned. But these men will be blessed, according to the Jesus "of the bible", and I believe Him.

Another dodge . We are discussing the One/ Only Lord

Try staying on topic and stop diverting the conversation

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

I recognize Christ as Lord of my Life.
What is the proof? The transformation that the Message of Jesus is making in my life.

Some people in Christian denominations, however, are not interested in such proof.
Although it is the only possible proof under which God would judge me, these people are not interested.
They seem to think: "Well, anybody can get their life transformed! The real proof is that you publicly confess that Jesus is God"

Their theology is upside down...
and I say it not because Jesus is the One sent by God and not God. That's the smallest of the problems (or not a problem after all).
The problem is that such theology is blind to the fact that anybody can confess any theological statement... that faith does not equal creed.
In contrast, only those who have Christ as Lord of their lives manifest it in action... yes, even if they don't think that Jesus is God.

So, going back to the original topic of this thread, we can't deny the reality that people from all religions and theological stances are being born into a new life or have been born in the past. Their pass from being men full of guilt, fear and hate, to men full of the spirit, is an undeniable testimony.

 

[synergy]

So, going back to the original topic of this thread, we can't deny the reality that people from all religions and theological stances are being born into a new life or have been born in the past. Their pass from being men full of guilt, fear and hate, to men full of the spirit, is an undeniable testimony.

Let's talk about a transformed man who the Baha'i revere as a manifestation of God, namely Muhammad. What spirit would you say he was full of? History reveals that he was full of an aggressive, throat-cutting, people-conquering, empire-expanding spirit.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Let's talk about a transformed man who the Baha'i revere as a manifestation of God, namely Muhammad. What spirit would you say he was full of? History reveals that he was full of an aggressive, throat-cutting, people-conquering, empire-expanding spirit.

It depends, I guess, on which sources you read. I just asked Microsoft Copilot few minutes ago a question in a language as neutral as possible (above, in blue: "How was the character of Muhammad according to historians?"), and the result is what you see.
Now, why not to talk about El Volka? I don't remember having read your comments on my teacher of Chemistry at High School.
Why not about Pancho Frijoles? I can share my personal testimony.

 

[synergy]

It depends, I guess, on which sources you read. I just asked Microsoft Copilot few minutes ago a question in a language as neutral as possible (above, in blue: "How was the character of Muhammad according to historians?"), and the result is what you see.
Now, why not to talk about El Volka? I don't remember having read your comments on my teacher of Chemistry at High School.
Why not about Pancho Frijoles? I can share my personal testimony.

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What source do you think is more representative of Muhammad's life and mindset: the Quran or Microsoft Copilot? Here are some of the racist and cut-throat directives that the Quran demanded that Muhammad execute without question, and is still in effect for all Muslims who revere the Quran:

Surah 2:65 "And indeed you [Jews] knew those among you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath. We [Allah] said to them: "Be you monkeys, despised and rejected."

Surah 2:96 "And verily, you will find them [the Jews] the greediest of mankind for life and (even greedier) than those who ascribe partners to Allah [polytheists].

Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."

Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …"

Surah 3:10 "Verily, those who disbelieve, neither their properties nor their offspring will avail them whatsoever against Allah; and it is they who will be fuel of the Fire."

Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …" Terrorism.

Surah 4:89 "They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected, and thus that you all become equal. So take not friends from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah. But if they turn back (from Islam) take hold of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither friends nor helpers from them."

Surah 5:32 "...We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men..."

Surah 5:33 "The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and his Messenger5 and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter."

Surah 5:60 "Say (O Muhammad) to the people of the Scripture: 'Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those Jews who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath, those of whom some He transformed into monkeys and swine, those who worshipped false deities [Hindus/Buddhists]; such are worse in rank and far more astray from the Right Path.'"

Surah 7:166 "So when they [the Jews] exceeded the limits of what they were prohibited, We said to them: 'Be you monkeys despised and rejected.'"

Surah 8:12. Your Lord inspired the angels: “I am with you, so support those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. So strike above the necks, and strike off every fingertip of theirs.”

Surah 8:39 "And fight them [the unbelievers] until there is no more disbelief (fitnah), and the religion will all be for Allah Alone [the translation adds: 'in the whole of the world'.]"

Surah 9:83. Have you not considered how We dispatch the devils against the disbelievers, exciting them with incitement?

Surah 9:123 O you who believe! fight the unbelievers who surround you, and let them find harshness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

Surah 47:4 "So, when you meet [in Jihad] those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly on them. Thereafter is the time either for generosity or ransom. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam] ... But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost."