God's grace to forgive and transform is not conditioned to recognizing Jesus' deity, blood atonement or physical resurrection

[Studyman]

I have no problem with the above Scripture verses.

"In Him, you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in Him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of His glory."

Put on

Lexical Meaning:
The verb ἐνδύω means "to clothe oneself" or "to put on." It was commonly used in Greek literature to describe the physical act of putting on garments. In the New Testament, the term often carries a metaphorical sense, referring to adopting a particular character, attitude, or spiritual quality.

2. Grammatical Insights:
Form and Tense:
The verb ἐνδύω appears in various forms in the New Testament, such as:

Aorist Middle/Passive Imperative: (e.g., Ephesians 4:24 – ἐνδύσασθαι)

Aorist: Denotes a single, decisive action, often emphasizing the need to make a conscious and definitive choice.

Middle Voice: Suggests personal involvement or responsibility, meaning the subject participates in the action for their benefit. Believers are to actively and personally "put on" the new man, implying intentionality in their spiritual transformation.

Imperative Mood: Expresses a command, highlighting that this action is not optional but expected of believers.

Aorist Active Infinitive: (e.g., Romans 13:14 – ἐνδύσασθαι τὸν κύριον Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν)
Used to indicate purpose or result, such as the act of "putting on" Christ as a deliberate goal in one's life.

Syntax:
In these passages, ἐνδύω often governs an accusative object (what is being "put on"). For instance:

Ephesians 4:24: ἐνδύσασθαι τὸν καινὸν ἄνθρωπον ("to put on the new man").

Romans 13:14: ἐνδύσασθε τὸν κύριον Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν ("put on the Lord Jesus Christ").
The accusative object reveals the spiritual nature of the "garment" to be donned, such as Christ Himself or a renewed nature.

3. Metaphorical Usage:
In the New Testament, ἐνδύω transcends its literal meaning and serves as a metaphor for adopting spiritual attributes or aligning oneself with Christ’s character. Key examples include:

Putting on Christ: Romans 13:14 uses the verb to convey the idea of taking on Christ’s identity and characteristics, living as He lived.

Putting on the New Man: Ephesians 4:24 and Colossians 3:10 link this to spiritual renewal and living in righteousness and holiness.

Putting on Virtues: Colossians 3:12 speaks of clothing oneself with compassion, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, emphasizing the visible, relational impact of spiritual transformation.

Putting on Armor: Ephesians 6:11 uses ἐνδύω to describe putting on the "full armor of God," denoting spiritual preparedness and reliance on God’s power.

4. Theological Implications:
Divine Enablement and Human Responsibility:
While "putting on" is an imperative command directed at believers, the ability to fulfill it is empowered by God. This duality reflects the synergy between divine grace and human agency in sanctification.

Transformation and Identity:
The use of ἐνδύω emphasizes that believers are adopting a new identity that corresponds to their salvation in Christ. They are "clothing" themselves in a way that reflects their spiritual reality.

Permanence of the Act:

The aorist tense often indicates a decisive, once-for-all action. This aligns with the theological idea that the "new man" is not merely an improvement of the old but a complete transformation into a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17).

5. Cultural and Historical Context:
In ancient Greek culture, garments symbolized status, identity, and belonging. To "put on" a garment often indicated adopting a new role or position. The metaphor of clothing in Scripture builds on this cultural understanding, portraying believers as those who have shed their old "garments" of sin and death to wear the righteousness and life of Christ.

6. Parallels and Word Studies:
The verb ἐνδύω aligns with other metaphors in Scripture, such as:

"Putting off" (ἀποτίθημι): Used to describe discarding sinful behaviors (Ephesians 4:22).
Clothing imagery in Isaiah 61:10: A prophetic vision of being "clothed with garments of salvation" and "covered with the robe of righteousness."
In conclusion, the Greek verb ἐνδύω in its grammatical and syntactical context emphasizes an active, intentional, and transformative act of assuming a new identity in Christ. This "putting on" is not superficial but signifies a profound spiritual renewal and alignment with God’s purposes.


1. The Context:
Ephesians 1 focuses on the spiritual blessings believers receive in Christ. The passage speaks to God’s plan for redemption, emphasizing the unity of salvation through Christ and the role of the Holy Spirit in affirming this relationship. Being "sealed" signifies a deep, eternal bond between God and believers, underscoring security and identity.

2. The Components of the Verse:
"In Him, you also": This phrase identifies Christ as the central figure in salvation. It highlights the universal nature of the gospel-open to all who hear and believe, including the Gentile audience of the Ephesian church.


"When you heard the word of truth": The process begins with hearing the gospel, which is described as the word of truth. This underscores the necessity of proclaiming the gospel so that people can respond in faith (Romans 10:17).


"The gospel of your salvation": Salvation is the heart of the gospel—the good news of being reconciled to God through Christ's life, death, and resurrection.


"Believed in Him": Faith is the necessary response to the gospel. It is not merely intellectual assent but trusting in Christ for salvation.


3. The Meaning of "Sealed with the Holy Spirit":
A Divine Mark of Ownership: A seal in ancient times signified ownership, authenticity, and security. Being "sealed" with the Holy Spirit means that believers belong to God, marked as His own.


The Promised Holy Spirit: This refers to Jesus’ assurance of the Spirit’s coming (John 14:16-17; Acts 1:4-5). The Holy Spirit’s role is to dwell within believers, guiding, teaching, and empowering them for godly living.


A Guarantee of Inheritance: The Spirit acts as a down payment or pledge (Greek: arrabōn), affirming that believers will receive the full inheritance of eternal life and all the blessings of salvation. This assurance is a foretaste of the complete redemption to come.


4. Key Implications for Believers:
Security in Salvation: The seal assures that salvation is secure and cannot be undone (John 10:28-29). The Spirit protects and preserves believers until the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30).


Identity in Christ: The seal confirms a believer’s identity as a child of God, part of His family, and an heir to His promises (Romans 8:15-17).


Empowerment for Life: The Holy Spirit works within believers to transform them into the likeness of Christ (2 Corinthians 3:18), convict them of sin (John 16:8), and enable them to bear spiritual fruit (Galatians 5:22-23).


Hope for the Future: The Spirit’s presence assures believers of their ultimate redemption and glorification, fostering confidence and perseverance amidst trials (Romans 8:23-25).


5. To the Praise of His Glory:
The final clause points to the purpose of this sealing-God’s glory. Salvation and the Spirit’s work within believers magnify God’s grace and faithfulness, prompting worship and a life that reflects His goodness.
Rom_13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.


Rom_13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.


1Co_15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


1Co_15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


Gal_3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Eph_4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.


Eph_6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.


Col_3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:


Col_3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;


Col_3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.


2Ti_1:6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.


Phm_1:18 If he hath wronged thee, or oweth thee ought, put that on mine account;


J.

I too, can purchase the religious opinion of Kevin Sadler, "Transformed by Grace – Series: Put Off, Put On" ($8.00 today on DVD from the BBS) and adopt it as my own. It's so simple and easy to be saved, now that the BBS is here to show me what the bible teaches. And you are a great promoter and servant of them, making sure their religious philosophy is promoted in all your posts, except perhaps, your private messages, which expose something different entirely.

And truly the BBS are a very modern and successful religious business, even having their own version of Black Friday Sale, only better, as it includes the entire Month of November and December and is called "The Fall Bundle Sale". Regular $38.00, but from now to the last day of December, I can save $10.00 to hear Paul Sadler tell me his religious opinion of Paul's teaching in Colossians and Ephesians.

You guys even have your own "Watchtower" for November, just like the JW's.



And truly these competing religious businesses are popular and successful in this world God placed me in. And have both advanced cleaver and creative ways, including web sites, to convert contributing members to their specific religious sect through preachers who have adopted specific philosophies which align with their founders, without which their religious business could not survive. The BBS is one of the newest to join the trend even building their own study bible like the JW's, Catholics, SDA, LDS and others. I think yours is coming out in 2026.

But if the success of a religious business was proof of their righteousness, then we should all adopt the religious sect of the Catholics.

There is also "Catholic.org" which promotes the philosophies of the Catholic church, the mother of all this world's religious businesses, which competes directly with "bereanbiblesociety.org and the rest as well. And "adventist.org", another religious business which competes with the BBS and the Catholic for contributing members. And the religious sect of the Mormons also has the "churchofjesuschrist.org" in their arsenal to compete against those other religious businesses for butts to fill the seats of their manmade shrines of worship. And it would be prudent to also mention that the religious sect of the Baha'i also competes against other religions for contributing members in much the same way, with their own web site, bahai.org.

And in this world God placed me in, filled with literally hundreds of competing religious sects and franchises all promoting different traditions and different philosophies, the overarching Tradition of this world that I am taught from my youth, is that I must "PICK" one of these religious businesses, and contribute financially to it, and adopt and then promote their specific religious philosophies and traditions to others, many of which would cause them who adopted them, to transgress God's Commandments if they partake of them, even as it did me when I adopted them.

So while I would love to partake with you, and many of the members of my own family have chosen to "live by" the philosophies and traditions of these religious businesses that you promote, and I have suffered loss by refusing to choose between these religious businesses, I cannot adopt them. Especially given that I have lived by the Faith that was in Jesus, who also resisted the tradition of adopting the philosophies of the mainstream religions which existed in the world God placed HIM in, for over 25 years now.

I have chosen the Jesus "of the Bible", as my instructor, not the preachers of the Catholic religion or the BBS etc. And HE instructed me to "Live By" the WORDS of HIS Father and my Father who are One in the same. And I will Glorify His Father and my Father as HE did, in love and obedience to His Words with all my heart. And will place my Trust and my Life in His Son that HE Sent. And I will Glorify HIS Son, not by adopting the religions of this world, and singing praises with my lips in their manmade shrines of worship they build, but as HE instructs, and that is becoming a "Doer" of His Instruction, and not a hearer only.

And you will feel the need to justify the teachings, not of the religious business of the SDA, or the religious business of the JW's. But you will feel the need to justify the preaching of the religious business of the BBS, the one you adopted. And this if fine, as it was the same for the promoters of this world's religions of Jesus Time.

Nevertheless, for the edification of someone who might be reading along, I offer the perspective of a man who has "Come out of" this world's religious system altogether and have experienced the freedom which is in the Jesus "of the bible". And no doubt there are rewards for you here in this life, and I'm sure you will garner the praise of all the others who have also adopted the philosophies of this specific religious business, and truly it is seductive to become a part of various religious groups, especially the "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord. But for me, I look for a continuing city where GOD's Righteousness dwells, not mans. And I hope for a life that isn't of this world, but of the next. So you are free to make your choice, and certainly there are many to choose from. And who knows, maybe you will "pick" to right business.

But as for me and my family, we will "Yield Ourselves" to the Teaching of the Christ "of the Bible", and worship the Same Father that HE Worshiped, and instructed us to worship. And join with Prophets and the examples of Faithful men given us in the Holy Scriptures, AKA, the Body of Christ", and will adopt or as Paul calls it, "Put On" the mind of Christ as part of the Armour of God to protect us from walking again "according to the course (Religions) of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

As Jesus said to the prince of this world who always quotes "Some of God's Word" as it did to Eve:

Matt. 4: But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of "the mouth of God".

 

[civic]

I too, can purchase the religious opinion of Kevin Sadler, "Transformed by Grace – Series: Put Off, Put On" ($8.00 today on DVD from the BBS) and adopt it as my own. It's so simple and easy to be saved, now that the BBS is here to show me what the bible teaches. And you are a great promoter and servant of them, making sure their religious philosophy is promoted in all your posts, except perhaps, your private messages, which expose something different entirely.

And truly the BBS are a very modern and successful religious business, even having their own version of Black Friday Sale, only better, as it includes the entire Month of November and December and is called "The Fall Bundle Sale". Regular $38.00, but from now to the last day of December, I can save $10.00 to hear Paul Sadler tell me his religious opinion of Paul's teaching in Colossians and Ephesians.

You guys even have your own "Watchtower" for November, just like the JW's.

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And truly these competing religious businesses are popular and successful in this world God placed me in. And have both advanced cleaver and creative ways, including web sites, to convert contributing members to their specific religious sect through preachers who have adopted specific philosophies which align with their founders, without which their religious business could not survive. The BBS is one of the newest to join the trend even building their own study bible like the JW's, Catholics, SDA, LDS and others. I think yours is coming out in 2026.

But if the success of a religious business was proof of their righteousness, then we should all adopt the religious sect of the Catholics.

There is also "Catholic.org" which promotes the philosophies of the Catholic church, the mother of all this world's religious businesses, which competes directly with "bereanbiblesociety.org and the rest as well. And "adventist.org", another religious business which competes with the BBS and the Catholic for contributing members. And the religious sect of the Mormons also has the "churchofjesuschrist.org" in their arsenal to compete against those other religious businesses for butts to fill the seats of their manmade shrines of worship. And it would be prudent to also mention that the religious sect of the Baha'i also competes against other religions for contributing members in much the same way, with their own web site, bahai.org.

And in this world God placed me in, filled with literally hundreds of competing religious sects and franchises all promoting different traditions and different philosophies, the overarching Tradition of this world that I am taught from my youth, is that I must "PICK" one of these religious businesses, and contribute financially to it, and adopt and then promote their specific religious philosophies and traditions to others, many of which would cause them who adopted them, to transgress God's Commandments if they partake of them, even as it did me when I adopted them.

So while I would love to partake with you, and many of the members of my own family have chosen to "live by" the philosophies and traditions of these religious businesses that you promote, and I have suffered loss by refusing to choose between these religious businesses, I cannot adopt them. Especially given that I have lived by the Faith that was in Jesus, who also resisted the tradition of adopting the philosophies of the mainstream religions which existed in the world God placed HIM in, for over 25 years now.

I have chosen the Jesus "of the Bible", as my instructor, not the preachers of the Catholic religion or the BBS etc. And HE instructed me to "Live By" the WORDS of HIS Father and my Father who are One in the same. And I will Glorify His Father and my Father as HE did, in love and obedience to His Words with all my heart. And will place my Trust and my Life in His Son that HE Sent. And I will Glorify HIS Son, not by adopting the religions of this world, and singing praises with my lips in their manmade shrines of worship they build, but as HE instructs, and that is becoming a "Doer" of His Instruction, and not a hearer only.

And you will feel the need to justify the teachings, not of the religious business of the SDA, or the religious business of the JW's. But you will feel the need to justify the preaching of the religious business of the BBS, the one you adopted. And this if fine, as it was the same for the promoters of this world's religions of Jesus Time.

Nevertheless, for the edification of someone who might be reading along, I offer the perspective of a man who has "Come out of" this world's religious system altogether and have experienced the freedom which is in the Jesus "of the bible". And no doubt there are rewards for you here in this life, and I'm sure you will garner the praise of all the others who have also adopted the philosophies of this specific religious business, and truly it is seductive to become a part of various religious groups, especially the "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord. But for me, I look for a continuing city where GOD's Righteousness dwells, not mans. And I hope for a life that isn't of this world, but of the next. So you are free to make your choice, and certainly there are many to choose from. And who knows, maybe you will "pick" to right business.

But as for me and my family, we will "Yield Ourselves" to the Teaching of the Christ "of the Bible", and worship the Same Father that HE Worshiped, and instructed us to worship. And join with Prophets and the examples of Faithful men given us in the Holy Scriptures, AKA, the Body of Christ", and will adopt or as Paul calls it, "Put On" the mind of Christ as part of the Armour of God to protect us from walking again "according to the course (Religions) of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

As Jesus said to the prince of this world who always quotes "Some of God's Word" as it did to Eve:

Matt. 4: But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of "the mouth of God".

The Jesus of the Bible you reject since He is God and you deny every scripture that calls Him God and identifies Him as God/ YHWH.

You are not fooling anyone here. You appear as an apostle of light but in fact reject the One who is the Light.

your jesus is only a man and therefor is incapable of redeeming you or giving his life for you.

Psalm 49:7- No one can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for them

you are out of luck with your salvation since you deny Christ who is the True God and Eternal life, our Great God and Savior, the Lord God Almighty- cf 1 John 5:20, Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1. Rev 1:8

hope this helps !!!

 

[Johann]

I too, can purchase the religious opinion of Kevin Sadler, "Transformed by Grace – Series: Put Off, Put On" ($8.00 today on DVD from the BBS) and adopt it as my own.

Based on my own studies, I believe you've misrepresented me on several occasions, and as a result, I don't feel obligated to respond to anything you post.


G1746
Total Occurrences: 28
ἐνδεδυμένοι endedyménoi (2) N-GSF
clothed Rev_15:6
clothed in Rev_19:14
ἐνδεδυμένον endedyménon (2) V-RMP-ASM
clothed with Rev_1:13
which had not on Mat_22:11, w/G3756
ἐνδεδυμένος endedyménos (1) V-RMP-NSM
clothed with Mar_1:6
ἐνδύουσιν endýousin (1) V-PAI-3P
they clothed him with Mar_15:17 w/G846
ἐνδυσάμενοι endysámenoi (4) V-AMP-NPM
being clothed 2Co_5:3
have put on Col_3:10
having on Eph_6:14
putting on 1Th_5:8
ἐνδυσάμενος endysámenos (1) V-AMP-NSM
arrayed Act_12:21
ἐνδύσασθαι endýsasthai (3) V-AMN
that ye put on Eph_4:24
must put on 1Co_15:53
put on 1Co_15:53
ἐνδύσασθε endýsasthe (3) V-AMM-2P
Put on Eph_6:11, Col_3:12
put ye on Rom_13:14
ἐνδύσατε endýsate (1) V-AAM-2P
put it on Luk_15:22
ἐνδύσησθε endýsçsthe (4) V-AMS-2P
put on Mar_6:9
ye be endued Luk_24:49
ye shall put on Mat_6:25, Luk_12:22
ἐνδύσηται endýsçtai (2) V-AMS-3S
shall have put on 1Co_15:54 (2)
ἐνδυσώμεθα endysṓmetha (1) V-AMS-1P
let us put on Rom_13:12
ἐνέδυσαν enédysan (2) V-AAI-3P
put Mat_27:31
put his own clothes on Mar_15:20 w/G2398 G2440
ἐνεδύσασθε enedýsasthe (1) V-AMI-2P
have put on Gal_3:27
English to Strong’s
ἐνδεδυμένοι endedyménoi (2) N-GSF
clothed Rev_15:6
clothed in Rev_19:14
ἐνδεδυμένον endedyménon (2) V-RMP-ASM
clothed with Rev_1:13
which had not on Mat_22:11, w/G3756
ἐνδεδυμένος endedyménos (1) V-RMP-NSM
clothed with Mar_1:6
ἐνδύουσιν endýousin (1) V-PAI-3P
they clothed him with Mar_15:17 w/G846
ἐνδυσάμενοι endysámenoi (4) V-AMP-NPM
being clothed 2Co_5:3
have put on Col_3:10
having on Eph_6:14
putting on 1Th_5:8
ἐνδυσάμενος endysámenos (1) V-AMP-NSM
arrayed Act_12:21
ἐνδύσασθαι endýsasthai (3) V-AMN
that ye put on Eph_4:24
must put on 1Co_15:53
put on 1Co_15:53
ἐνδύσασθε endýsasthe (3) V-AMM-2P
Put on Eph_6:11, Col_3:12
put ye on Rom_13:14
ἐνδύσατε endýsate (1) V-AAM-2P
put it on Luk_15:22
ἐνδύσησθε endýsçsthe (4) V-AMS-2P
put on Mar_6:9
ye be endued Luk_24:49
ye shall put on Mat_6:25, Luk_12:22
ἐνδύσηται endýsçtai (2) V-AMS-3S
shall have put on 1Co_15:54 (2)
ἐνδυσώμεθα endysṓmetha (1) V-AMS-1P
let us put on Rom_13:12
ἐνέδυσαν enédysan (2) V-AAI-3P
put Mat_27:31
put his own clothes on Mar_15:20 w/G2398 G2440
ἐνεδύσασθε enedýsasthe (1) V-AMI-2P
have put on Gal_3:27
English to Strong’s
arrayed G1746, G4016
clothed G295, G1463, G1737, G1746, G1902, G2439, G4016
clothes G1746, G2440, G2750, G3608, G4683, G5509
endued G1746, G1990
having on G1746
put G115, G142, G337, G363, G385, G506, G520, G554, G595, G615, G630, G654, G656, G659, G683, G863, G906, G992, G1325, G1544, G1614, G1677, G1688, G1746, G1808, G1911, G2007, G2289, G2507, G2673, G3004, G3089, G3860, G3908, G3982, G4060, G4100, G4138, G4160, G4374, G5087, G5279, G5293, G5294, G5392, G5563
putting G555, G595, G659, G1745, G1746, G1878, G1936, G2007, G4261, G5087, G5279


ἐνδύω
enduw en-doo’-o
Part of Speech: {V-PAI-1S}
MLV/Definition: clothe^, clothed^, clothe^, [MIDDLE VOICE:] + (-self) with
Supplement: --
Etymology: {G1722 + G1416}

Greek Concordance: [28] Mat_6:25, Mat_22:11, Mat_27:31, Mar_1:6, Mar_6:9, Mar_15:17, Mar_15:20, Luk_12:22, Luk_15:22, Luk_24:49, Act_12:21, Rom_13:12, Rom_13:14, 1Co_15:53, 1Co_15:53, 1Co_15:54, 1Co_15:54, 2Co_5:3, Gal_3:27, Eph_4:24, Eph_6:11, Eph_6:14, Col_3:10, Col_3:12, 1Th_5:8, Rev_1:13, Rev_15:6, Rev_19:14
KJV: put on 18, clothed with 2, clothed in 2, have on 2, clothe with 1, be endued 1, arrayed in 1, be clothed 1, vr put on 1 TR: 29
TDNT: 2:319,192


Kevin Sadler does not delve deeply into the Hebrew and Greek, and you are a Unitarian, @Studyman.

I can easily demonstrate the Deity of the Messiah- if you would like. Or resources.

J.

 

[Studyman]

The Jesus of the Bible you reject since He is God and you deny every scripture that calls Him God and identifies Him as God/ YHWH.

I believe Jesus when HE said HE was the Prophesied Messiah. He said HE is the "Son of God". But I understand that the religious business you have adopted and are now promoting believes in a different Jesus. A very handsome, long-haired "God" who came to save you from the God of the Law and Prophets, and the Yoke of Bondage you preach this God placed on the necks of men who trusted Him.

I don't reject the Lord's Christ; I reject the image of God you worship.

You are not fooling anyone here. You appear as an apostle of light but in fact reject the One who is the Light.

I don't have, nor do I promote any of this world's religious businesses Civic. But you do. I don't have a web site dedicated to promoting the specific religious philosophies of one of the literally dozens of different religious businesses of this world God placed me in. But you do. I'm not partaking of missions to convert others to a religious business that exists in the world God placed me in. But you do.

I don't partake in or adopt religious philosophies and traditions which cause those who adopt them to transgress God's Commandments and judgments. But you do.

I'm not trying to "fool" anyone, and not trying to promote a religion which causes folks converted to it, to live in disobedience to God. But you do.

So I don't have to "justify" a particular religious sect or business, or the traditions, high days, philosophies and judgments they promote, because I do not adopt them. But you do, and this is why you must reply to my post.

your jesus is only a man and therefor is incapable of redeeming you or giving his life for you.

"My Jesus" loved righteousness and hated evil, and because of this, His God, and my God raised HIM from the dead, gave Him immortality, and a Name above all others. And to This Day, HE Sits at the Right Hand of His God and my God advocating between me and HIS Father.

Yes, you call Him Lord, Lord. Yes, you preach in His Name. But you preach to the World that His Father's Laws Jesus lived by, and instructed me to Live By, are impossible to obey, implying that the God and Father of the Lord's Christ is a liar.

I am not ashamed of the Jesus "of the bible". But according to Him, HE doesn't know you.

Psalm 49:7- No one can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for them

5 Wherefore should I fear in the days of evil, when the iniquity of my heels shall compass me about? 6 "They" that trust in "their" wealth, and "boast themselves" in the multitude of "their" riches; 7 "None "of them"" can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

But the Jesus "of the Bible" didn't trust in His wealth, nor did HE come to do HIS Will, or adopt a religion of this world, or create a religion contrary to His Father's Teaching. Rather, HE came to do "the Will of HIS Father", whose judgments, commandments and Statutes you reject, in favor or the traditions, philosophies and judgments of the religions of this world God placed you in.

Does it matter? Maybe not. But it is undeniable truth.

you are out of luck with your salvation since you deny Christ who is the True God and Eternal life, our Great God and Savior- cf 1 John 5:20, Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:!

Jesus saw you coming Civic, and told me that if I believe in Him, promoters of this world's religious sects and businesses, like you, would try to turn me away from living by the Words of His God that HE sent Jesus to give me. But even though you call me names, place me in your little boxes of judgment, as you do all others who do not adopt your specific religious franchise, I will not turn away from the God Jesus told me to worship.

1 Peter 1: 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of "our Lord" Jesus Christ", which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

2 Pet. 1: 1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and "our Saviour" Jesus Christ: 2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus "our Lord",

Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and "our Saviour" Jesus Christ;

John 17: 3 And this is life eternal, that they "might know thee" the only true God, and Jesus Christ, "whom thou hast sent". 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

1 John 2: 1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, "Jesus Christ" the righteous:

1 John 5: 20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know "him" that is true, and we are "in him" that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

John 14: 20 At that day ye shall know that I am "in my Father", and "ye in me", and I in you.

21 He that hath my commandments, "and keepeth them", "he it is" that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

 

[civic]

I believe Jesus when HE said HE was the Prophesied Messiah. He said HE is the "Son of God". But I understand that the religious business you have adopted and are now promoting believes in a different Jesus. A very handsome, long-haired "God" who came to save you from the God of the Law and Prophets, and the Yoke of Bondage you preach this God placed on the necks of men who trusted Him.

I don't reject the Lord's Christ; I reject the image of God you worship.



I don't have, nor do I promote any of this world's religious businesses Civic. But you do. I don't have a web site dedicated to promoting the specific religious philosophies of one of the literally dozens of different religious businesses of this world God placed me in. But you do. I'm not partaking of missions to convert others to a religious business that exists in the world God placed me in. But you do.

I don't partake in or adopt religious philosophies and traditions which cause those who adopt them to transgress God's Commandments and judgments. But you do.

I'm not trying to "fool" anyone, and not trying to promote a religion which causes folks converted to it, to live in disobedience to God. But you do.

So I don't have to "justify" a particular religious sect or business, or the traditions, high days, philosophies and judgments they promote, because I do not adopt them. But you do, and this is why you must reply to my post.



"My Jesus" loved righteousness and hated evil, and because of this, His God, and my God raised HIM from the dead, gave Him immortality, and a Name above all others. And to This Day, HE Sits at the Right Hand of His God and my God advocating between me and HIS Father.

Yes, you call Him Lord, Lord. Yes, you preach in His Name. But you preach to the World that His Father's Laws Jesus lived by, and instructed me to Live By, are impossible to obey, implying that the God and Father of the Lord's Christ is a liar.

I am not ashamed of the Jesus "of the bible". But according to Him, HE doesn't know you.



5 Wherefore should I fear in the days of evil, when the iniquity of my heels shall compass me about? 6 "They" that trust in "their" wealth, and "boast themselves" in the multitude of "their" riches; 7 "None "of them"" can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

But the Jesus "of the Bible" didn't trust in His wealth, nor did HE come to do HIS Will, or adopt a religion of this world, or create a religion contrary to His Father's Teaching. Rather, HE came to do "the Will of HIS Father", whose judgments, commandments and Statutes you reject, in favor or the traditions, philosophies and judgments of the religions of this world God placed you in.

Does it matter? Maybe not. But it is undeniable truth.



Jesus saw you coming Civic, and told me that if I believe in Him, promoters of this world's religious sects and businesses, like you, would try to turn me away from living by the Words of His God that HE sent Jesus to give me. But even though you call me names, place me in your little boxes of judgment, as you do all others who do not adopt your specific religious franchise, I will not turn away from the God Jesus told me to worship.

1 Peter 1: 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of "our Lord" Jesus Christ", which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

2 Pet. 1: 1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and "our Saviour" Jesus Christ: 2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus "our Lord",

Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and "our Saviour" Jesus Christ;

John 17: 3 And this is life eternal, that they "might know thee" the only true God, and Jesus Christ, "whom thou hast sent". 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

1 John 2: 1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, "Jesus Christ" the righteous:

1 John 5: 20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know "him" that is true, and we are "in him" that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

John 14: 20 At that day ye shall know that I am "in my Father", and "ye in me", and I in you.

21 He that hath my commandments, "and keepeth them", "he it is" that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

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Yep Jesus is not your Lord AND Savior.

This proves you do not understand basic NT Greek grammar or English grammar. Your bias reading of the Bible does not allow for such basic understanding of the Person of Christ and His true identity.

Thanks for admitting it finally

 

[Complete]

Hello @civic & @Johann,

Thank you for your entries. I appreciate the presence here of those, like yourselves, who are here to edify. So I will remain.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour
our Lord and Head
Chris

 

[civic]

Hello @civic & @Johann,

Thank you for your entries. I appreciate the presence here of those, like yourselves, who are here to edify. So I will remain.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour
our Lord and Head
Chris

We have some really good defenders of our faith on the forum and a couple of them are Pastors too.

 

[101G]

Dear all

Let me start with a question. Why does God want to forgive a person and change his life? What does He intend?

God wants us to turn to Him, forsaking a bad way to live, and adopting a new way.
That's salvation all about: going from the undesirable state of sin, spiritual death, separation from God, hell... to a desirable state of righteousness, joy, paradise in the presence of God.

This change from wickedness to holiness requires mercy, pardon.
This is how God expresses it in Isaiah 55:7


"Let the wicked forsake their ways
and the unrighteous their thoughts.
Let them turn to the Lord, and he will have mercy on them,
and to our God, for he will freely pardon."

Please notice in this verse two things:

1. God expects from us a genuine willingness to change our bad ways, our bad thoughts, into good ways and good thoughts.
2. God will "freely pardon" us. His pardon is FREE. Otherwise it would not be mercy. It would be just trade or justice. God pardons us even when He would have no reason to pardon us, based on sheer justice.

GINOLJC, to all.
Greeting my brother, having not read all the replies, first you state a old covenant directive, and we now have a NEW COVENANT, and the directive is now known, even from the OT as you posted. but you forgot the verse before it. Isaiah 55:6 "Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:" Isaiah 55:7 "Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon." Isaiah 55:8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD." Isaiah 55:9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

now Joel 2:32 "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call."

so the first step in salvation is to KNOW GOD HOLY NAME.
well the LORD name was never given in the OT, so the Name of God is given in the NT. JESUS, and to call upon that name is A. to KNOW IT and HEAR it. let's know God name. Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." Matthew 1:22 "Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying," Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

Next, to Call on this Holy Name, "HOW?"
Romans 10:12 "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him."
Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:14 "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" Romans 10:15 "And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!" Romans 10:16 "But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?" Romans 10:17 "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

Now, you said,
Please notice in this verse two things:

1. God expects from us a genuine willingness to change our bad ways, our bad thoughts, into good ways and good thoughts.
ANSWER, Romans 8:20 "For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope," Romans 8:21 "Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God." READ THAT AGAIN.


2. God will "freely pardon" us. His pardon is FREE. Otherwise it would not be mercy. It would be just trade or justice. God pardons us even when He would have no reason to pardon us, based on sheer justice.
ANSWER, see above.

Reality shows that people from all religions are forgiven and transformed.

but are one's MIND TRANFORMED IN GOD IMAGE?

Across the Bible, God never demanded the sinner to hold those beliefs in order to be forgiven and transformed.

ERROR, God never demanded a sinner to do nothing but confess his Son Jesus the Christ and BELIEVE that he was raised from the dead. supportive scripture. Romans 10:4 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Romans 10:5 "For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them." Romans 10:6 "But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above" Romans 10:7 "Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)" Romans 10:8 "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;" Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

JUST as Moses described it? yes, Deuteronomy 30:11 "For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off." Deuteronomy 30:12 "It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?" Deuteronomy 30:13 "Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?" Deuteronomy 30:14 "But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it."

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

 

[praise_yeshua]

If I call Jesus Lord, Lord, but reject God's Judgments and many of His commandments, create images of God in the likeness of anything, create my own high days and sabbaths, and refuse to "Live by" God's Word, then I don't think it would matter much to God or Jesus, if I was a Trinitarian or not.

So you know the day you observe as the "sabbath" is within the context of creation? I'd like to know how.....

 

[praise_yeshua]

I refuse to accept or adopt the labels created by those who "transform themselves" into apostles of Christ, for the purpose of exalting themselves as superior to those who do not adopt the philosophies of their specific religious business.

Self asserting.

 

[Studyman]

So you know the day you observe as the "sabbath" is within the context of creation? I'd like to know how.....

I get this same kind of question from atheists a lot, concerning the existence of Jesus, and my belief that God raised Him from the dead.

I guess it would be impossible to "know" in the context of your question. To be honest, I would have to say that I "Believe" God.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I get this same kind of question from atheists a lot, concerning the existence of Jesus, and my belief that God raised Him from the dead.

I guess it would be impossible to "know" in the context of your question. To be honest, I would have to say that I "Believe" God.

I'm not an atheist but it is a valid question for those your kind that insist you serve God with such things. You don't have the knowledge to serve God in such a manner. Yet, here you are insisting that you are.

The problem isn't mine. It is your false claims to the contrary of reason. Which establishes your insincerity to acknowledge the Truth.

I don't see how you "believe God" when you don't know what to believe. You shouldn't set requirements for others that you can't accomplish yourself.

 

[Studyman]

Self asserting.

Of course PY. As Paul would say to you;

Rom. 6: 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye "yield yourselves" (Self Asserting) servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

I "withhold myself" from adopting the labels of judgments created by this world's religious sects and businesses and placed on those who don't walk in their own religious philosophies and traditions. After all, the Jesus "of the Bible" did say, "Be ye not therefore like unto them".

 

[praise_yeshua]

Of course PY. As Paul would say to you;

Rom. 6: 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye "yield yourselves" (Self Asserting) servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

I "withhold myself" from adopting the labels of judgments created by this world's religious sects and businesses and placed on those who don't walk in their own religious philosophies and traditions. After all, the Jesus "of the Bible" did say, "Be ye not therefore like unto them".

Arguments are based upon reason and facts. Self asserting your compliance doesn't establish either reason or fact.

 

[praise_yeshua]

The Bible also emphatically says that

• God does not want blood sacrifices but a contrite heart (Jeremiah 7:22,23; Psalm 51:16, 17; Hosea 6:6, which was quoted by Jesus Himself!)
• The blood of sacrifices could not take away sins (Hebrews 10:3)

The texts are quoted at the bottom of the post.*

The Bible emphatically presents cases of repentance and forgiveness without any requirement from blood sacrifices.

• The case of David after his murder or Uriah
• The case of Isaiah, which forgiveness was represented by a different symbol (live coal)
• The case of the Ninevites
• The case of sick people receiving forgiveness in the gospels

Jesus addresses the topic of forgiveness without making any allusion to a requirement of blood substitutionary atonement

• The story of the pay collector and the Pharisee
• The story of the King who forgives his servant
• The story of the prodigal son
• The Lord's Prayer
• The prayer made on the cross for Roman soldiers

So, what do we have now? Some passages of the Bible say that without blood there is no remission of sins and some passages say God does not need nor requests blood to cleanse sins. We have two interpreations to consider

INTEPRETATION 1. God requests blood, the blood of an innocent, to forgive us
INTERPRETATION 2. God requests that we truly repent and change our ways. Blood is just a symbolic reminder of the process.

Only one interpretation can be true, and being right this time is of UTMOST IMPORTANCE. It is a matter of life or death, paradise or hell, for us and for billions of people, including the Sikh who stole the 1000 USD and repented.

So, here comes my question:
Which interpretation is aligned with reason and with mercy and justice?

WITH REASON: Primitive civilizations believed in the need to offer sacrifices to their gods to obtain a favor, such as deliverance from perils. But an All-Mighty, All-Merciful, Perfectly Just God knows the heart of everyone and does not need any material thing (blood, water, inciense, vegetable offerings) to do what He wants to do. God's mercy cannot be bought, because then it would not be mercy, by definition!

WITH MERCY AND JUSTICE: To make an innocent pay for the crime of other person is not just. Furthermore, to put the belief of such thing as a condition to avoid an eternal torment is an atrocity.

***

*QUOTES:

1. For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice, and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. (Hoseah 6:6)
2. For You do not desire sacrifice, or I would give it; You do not delight in burnt offering. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise. (Psalm 51:16,17)
3. For I spoke not to your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices. But this thing I commanded them, saying, “Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be My people. And walk in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well with you.” (Jeremiah 7:22,23)
4. "But in those sacrifices there is an annual reminder of sins. For it is not possible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins." (Hebrews 10:3)

As always, you miss WHO must die. Your choice in yourself is not wise.

 

[civic]

I'm not an atheist but it is a valid question for those your kind that insist you serve God with such things. You don't have the knowledge to serve God in such a manner. Yet, here you are insisting that you are.

The problem isn't mine. It is your false claims to the contrary of reason. Which establishes your insincerity to acknowledge the Truth.

I don't see how you "believe God" when you don't know what to believe. You shouldn't set requirements for others that you can't accomplish yourself.

How can one believe in God when they deny Christ ? Its an oxymoron

 

[Studyman]

I'm not an atheist but it is a valid question for those your kind that insist you serve God with such things.
You don't have the knowledge to serve God in such a manner. Yet, here you are insisting that you are.

"If I call Jesus Lord, Lord, but reject God's Judgments and many of His commandments, create images of God in the likeness of anything, create my own high days and sabbaths, and refuse to "Live by" God's Word, then I don't think it would matter much to God or Jesus, if I was a Trinitarian or not."

If you don't agree with my statement, then why not just say "I don't agree"? Why must you exhibit such hubris and self-worship as to lord yourself over me in such a manner, while at the same time, diverting from and completely ignoring what I actually said?

Gal. 6: 3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. 4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.

The problem isn't mine. It is your false claims to the contrary of reason.

"If I call Jesus Lord, Lord, but reject God's Judgments and many of His commandments, create images of God in the likeness of anything, create my own high days and sabbaths, and refuse to "Live by" God's Word, then I don't think it would matter much to God or Jesus, if I was a Trinitarian or not."

Again, if you don't believe this statement is true, then please address what is not true about it. All your foolish and sophomoric judgments are unsightly.

Which establishes your insincerity to acknowledge the Truth.

I don't see how you "believe God" when you don't know what to believe. You shouldn't set requirements for others that you can't accomplish yourself.

Again, here is what you replied to. ""If I call Jesus Lord, Lord, but reject God's Judgments and many of His commandments, create images of God in the likeness of anything, create my own high days and sabbaths, and refuse to "Live by" God's Word, then I don't think it would matter much to God or Jesus, if I was a Trinitarian or not."

If you believe this statement isn't true, then please address it. I mean, if you get your jollies by lording over others in the way you are here, then so be it. I guess when you are not vomiting on me, someone else is being spared. So you can continue if you want if your flesh desires such to be satisfied.

But it is an astonishing display of Hubris and self-exaltation, and I don't think it is good for you personally.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

The Jesus of the Bible you reject since He is God and you deny every scripture that calls Him God and identifies Him as God/ YHWH.

You are not fooling anyone here. You appear as an apostle of light but in fact reject the One who is the Light.

Do you know the private life of @Studyman?
Then, how can you declare that he is rejecting Jesus?
Being right or wrong about Jesus deity does not equal accepting or rejecting Jesus. It equals accepting or rejecting a theory about Jesus.

Jesus is who He is, regardless of our stupidity to understand it.
He loves all of us the same and He never ever demanded doctrinal orthodoxy.

Whoever thinks that "having faith in Jesus" means "adhering to the correct Christology" is WRONG.
Whoever uses such error to make judgements about the eternal fate of a member of the Forum is WRONG.

Psalm 49:7- No one can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for them

That's absolutely true.
That's why all references to redemption, in the sense of paying a ransom to God, are allegorical. They refer to the PRIMITIVE THINKING of people who sought to appease their gods and getting their favor through sacrifices.

God forgives our debts FOR FREE, and that makes Him different from pagan gods. That's what God taught throughout the Tanakh and what Jesus taught with the most eloquent words.

A god who demands blood in exchange for mercy is an IMPOSTOR.
Forcing such demand on others, under the threat of eternal torment, is MADNESS.

 

[praise_yeshua]

"If I call Jesus Lord, Lord, but reject God's Judgments and many of His commandments, create images of God in the likeness of anything, create my own high days and sabbaths, and refuse to "Live by" God's Word, then I don't think it would matter much to God or Jesus, if I was a Trinitarian or not."

If you don't agree with my statement, then why not just say "I don't agree"? Why must you exhibit such hubris and self-worship as to lord yourself over me in such a manner, while at the same time, diverting from and completely ignoring what I actually said?

I didn't ignore anything. Pay attention to what you write. You have created your own sabbaths. You're guilty of what you claim is evidence of not following Jesus.

But it is an astonishing display of Hubris and self-exaltation, and I don't think it is good for you personally.

I'm not claiming to know when the sabbath actually takes place in the context of God's appointment of such. I have no idea. You don't either. I'm not the one involved in "Hubris" and "self-exaltation". You are.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Do you know the private life of @Studyman?
Then, how can you declare that he is rejecting Jesus?
Being right or wrong about Jesus deity does not equal accepting or rejecting Jesus. It equals accepting or rejecting a theory about Jesus.

Jesus is who He is, regardless of our stupidity to understand it.
He loves all of us the same and He never ever demanded doctrinal orthodoxy.

Whoever thinks that "having faith in Jesus" means "adhering to the correct Christology" is WRONG.
Whoever uses such error to make judgements about the eternal fate of a member of the Forum is WRONG.

You do realize that you just condemned @Studyman.... right?