civic
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Yes man has that ability as all those verses teach
God requires man to HUMBLE THEMSELVES
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The Rogue Tomato
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I get it. You're proud of your ability to be humble.
civic
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Nope God requires humility just the same as He does faith.
I’m sorry you don’t believe Gods word in the OP.
Next fallacious argument……
Eleazar
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I'd say the opposite of humbleness would be pride and arrogance. Like people that know it all and are always right. The old joke about humility—that “it’s my greatest quality”—speaks to the difficulty in knowing how humble you actually are. It’s a paradox: If you’re walking around thinking you’re humbler than most people, then chances are good that you’re not.
Then there is that other saying...It's hard to be humble when you're perfect in every way.
If you want to improve on your humility, make a habit of analyzing what you believe is a great first step. Try checking in on your beliefs and opinions periodically, especially those that are important to you. Pay attention to the strength of the evidence supporting those beliefs, whether you ever question them, and how open you are to changing your mind. Just the very act of checking in constitutes intellectual humility, but doing it will also help you recognize where you might be falling short.
Then there is that other saying...It's hard to be humble when you're perfect in every way.
If you want to improve on your humility, make a habit of analyzing what you believe is a great first step. Try checking in on your beliefs and opinions periodically, especially those that are important to you. Pay attention to the strength of the evidence supporting those beliefs, whether you ever question them, and how open you are to changing your mind. Just the very act of checking in constitutes intellectual humility, but doing it will also help you recognize where you might be falling short.
You are not arguing for a total inability to humble oneself are you?
civic
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Sounds like it to me
civic
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Sure it does as Jesus refutes your theology if tulip.
Matthew 13- The Parable of the Sower
1The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
T- man can choose to hear, see and receive the gospel
U- all can choose to believe and receive as demonstrated in the parable of the 4 soils
L- all soils received the seed without exception
I- 3 soils resisted all but 1 soil remained faithful and did not resist
P- 3/4 soils ( minds/hearts )did not preserver in the faith
1- Only something alive can be choked. You cannot choke the dead. And as we can see they all had life to begin with in each soil.
2- Only something alive can be scorched by the Sun and withered.
3- Only someone alive can receive the word in the heart and have it snatched away
4- Only someone alive can receive the word with Joy and endure for a while
Luke 14:23 And the master said to the servant, ‘Go out to the highways and hedges and compel (αναγκασον) people to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I tell you, none of those men who were invited shall taste my banquet.’” @synergy. Remember this from the old forum
The Greek word αναγκασον is to urge or compel, not irresistibly draw.There are 4 major Calvinist pillars that fall with the Parable of the Wedding Feast which is connected to the Parable of the Sower above.
- Monergism (Total Depravity),
- Preservation of Saints (many called by God but few chosen by God),
- Irresistible Grace (many called by God but few chosen by God),
- and even Limited Atonement because as many as could possibly be found were invited
Then he involves himself in yet another error
Rockson
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And I could easily quote the scripture to you that God says he resists the proud but gives his grace to the humble! Jm 4: 6 He does not give his grace to the proud unless they first humble themselves and show humility. Of course this is where Calvinism down right collapses in the light of scripture. Now there's a certain way I hope you'll respond to this and let see if you do at all.
civic
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Yes they are already humble then God gives them His grace.
For some reason they reject the biblical order how God works and responds to mankind
Rockson
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Could it maybe be that they want to keep embracing the opposite of just what the word humble or humility means? I get it. It can be a mighty tough and troubling thing for a Calvinist to acknowledge to oneself that they've been in error for a great deal of time....maybe even years. What would that be saying about their judgment and discernment ? I would encourage them however to be willing to swallow down that tough pill. None of us are maybe perfect about everything.
And many text state they humbled themselves, not that God humbled them. Calvinism has to add to scripture
2Chr. 12:12 And when he humbled himself the wrath of the LORD turned from him, so as not to make a complete destruction. Moreover, conditions were good in Judah.
2Chr. 32:26 But Hezekiah humbled himself for the pride of his heart, both he and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the wrath of the LORD did not come upon them in the days of Hezekiah.
2Chr. 33:12 And when he was in distress, he entreated the favor of the LORD his God and humbled himself greatly before the God of his fathers.
2Chr. 33:19 And his prayer, and how God was moved by his entreaty, and all his sin and his faithlessness, and the sites on which he built high places and set up the Asherim and the images, before he humbled himself, behold, they are written in the Chronicles of the Seers.
2Chr. 33:23 And he did not humble himself before the LORD, as Manasseh his father had humbled himself, but this Amon incurred guilt more and more.
1Kings 21:29 “Have you seen how Ahab has humbled himself before me? Because he has humbled himself before me, I will not bring the disaster in his days; but in his son’s days I will bring the disaster upon his house.”
2Kings 22:19 because your heart was penitent, and you humbled yourself before the LORD, when you heard how I spoke against this place and against its inhabitants, that they should become a desolation and a curse, and you have torn your clothes and wept before me, I also have heard you, declares the LORD.
2Chr. 34:27 because your heart was tender and you humbled yourself before God when you heard his words against this place and its inhabitants, and you have humbled yourself before me and have torn your clothes and wept before me, I also have heard you, declares the LORD.
Dan. 10:12 Then he said to me, “Fear not, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand and humbled yourself before your God, your words have been heard, and I have come because of your words.
Correct. The Greek word αναγκασον is to urge or compel, not irresistibly draw. Human level compelling comes nowhere close to the Divine Irresistible Grace that calvinists promote.Sure it does as Jesus refutes your theology if tulip.
Matthew 13- The Parable of the Sower
1The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
T- man can choose to hear, see and receive the gospel
U- all can choose to believe and receive as demonstrated in the parable of the 4 soils
L- all soils received the seed without exception
I- 3 soils resisted all but 1 soil remained faithful and did not resist
P- 3/4 soils ( minds/hearts )did not preserver in the faith
1- Only something alive can be choked. You cannot choke the dead. And as we can see they all had life to begin with in each soil.
2- Only something alive can be scorched by the Sun and withered.
3- Only someone alive can receive the word in the heart and have it snatched away
4- Only someone alive can receive the word with Joy and endure for a while
Luke 14:23 And the master said to the servant, ‘Go out to the highways and hedges and compel (αναγκασον) people to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I tell you, none of those men who were invited shall taste my banquet.’” @synergy. Remember this from the old forum
There are 4 major Calvinist pillars that fall with the Parable of the Wedding Feast which is connected to the Parable of the Sower above.
hope this helps !!!
- Monergism (Total Depravity),
- Preservation of Saints (many called by God but few chosen by God),
- Irresistible Grace (many called by God but few chosen by God),
- and even Limited Atonement because as many as could possibly be found were invited
In fact, not everyone does what they're compelled to do, many even choosing death instead. Witness Hitler who was compelled to surrender with bombs landing all over him but committed suicide instead. Witness Churchill who was compelled by many to strike up a truce with Hitler but chose not to. Many martyrs were compelled to renounce their faith but chose death instead.
Eleazar
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I don't think you can be humble and proud of the same time. But we must have the ability to be humble because God tells us to be humble. And he wouldn't tell us to do something that we were unable to do.
James 4:10 Amplified Bible 10 Humble yourselves [with an attitude of repentance and insignificance] in the presence of the Lord, and He will exalt you [He will lift you up, He will give you purpose].
Humility is not thinking less of ourselves, but thinking of ourselves less.
Remember that old song? "I was always on my mind"
Irrelevant to my point. God can determine you humble yourself and when you do He gives you grace.
Rockson
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No he can't. Absolutely IMPOSSIBLE. In the same way it's impossible for God to lie or to create a square circle. Of course you've got the door slammed shut and nailed in so as not to give up your way of thinking but to readers......The Bible says, God resist the proud but gives his grace to the humble, or to those who show humility! It doesn't say he implants humility within anyone.
IMPOSSIBLE.
He can create circumstances to create a humbling effect like difficult circumstances they may go through to appeal to them to yield to humility but he's done that many times and many times they did not take the next step to walk in humility! Deut 8:3 They still walked in pride and were at times judged and destroyed. God does one thing to the proud....He resists them and does not do a work around and shows them his grace. If they choose to retain PRIDE he can't break through that and implant humility! It doesn't matter how much you claim he does this he does not. God resists the pride but gives his grace to the humble. Jm 4:7
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Rockson
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And this is where Calvinism collapses as they teach total depravity in such a way that is way too far extreme and unbiblical.
Where does the Bible say it is impossible for God to determine you humble yourself
And He can use those circumstances to determine you humble yourself. He is your creator. He knows exactly what it would take for you to do so.
Rockson
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God has told us what he will do and what he will not do. Do you take him seriously or don't you? He said he resists the proud but gives his grace to the humble (or those who choose to walk in humility) James 4:6 You have it in reverse to accommodate your wrong beliefs. You have it that God does something for the proud outside of resisting them.
Nope not possible according to the word of God. Go back and think about this a lot more than you have.
That's like saying he knows exactly what it would take to lie and for it to be OK. Or he knows exactly what it would take to create a square circle.
Here we go again with the Be Inert, Do Nothing, and Wait for the Zapping nonsense of Calvinism.
