Freed from : Calvinism-TULIP-5 points Hyper-Calvinism

[Behold]

Reader,

Lets look deeper now., into this "Doctrine of [Edit]" that started with Calvin, and was evolved into Hyper-Calvinism (TULIP) "the 5 points".

A "TULIP"> a hyper calvinist, a "5-point">.. is one who believes in Calvinism = extremism .

So, both the Calvinist and the Hyper, have been led to believe that Paul the Apostle is a Calvinist. a 5 Point Hyper Calvinist.
And that is what they TEACH and BELIEVE.

So, lets look at that, and then i'll show you one more, in the next post..

First, lets understand why a person goes to hell and not to heaven..
Its simply because they "died in their sin, never forgiven", and were never born again. So, they died separated from God, by their Sin..
So, that situation, does not allow you to go to Heaven, because you were not forgiven all your sin.... born 'In Christ" as "one with God", before you died.
This is why Jesus told us.....>"YOU, MUST, be born again", and if you are not you are not a Son/Daughter of God when you died, and so your eternity is spent, where those who are not born again Sons/Daughters of God, end up... and that is not in Heaven......
There is only one other option. : HELL.

Now, Calvin and the Hyper-Calvinist, teach that Paul is a 5-point Hyper Calvinist, as they teach that a few verses that Paul wrote, that they SEE as meaning what Calvin teaches and others who evolved Calvins theology in Hyper-Calvinism.., proves that Paul is a Calvinist, and a Hyper Calvinist.
They believe that a few of Paul's verses teach the 5-points of Hyper- Calvinism as well as Calvinism.

So, listen now.... as you have to see this... in your understanding.

If Paul is a Calvinist, then Jesus is a Calvinist....... as Paul RECEIVED all His Theology "not from any man, but from the LORD", Himself.
So, If Paul is a Calvinist, then Jesus is a Calvinist., according to Calvinism and Hyper Calvinism that is "the 5 Points"..(TULIP).

Therefore, if Paul and The Lord Jesus The Christ are both Calvinists, then they will understand "pre-destined" to believe."
They will understand "pre-chosen" to believe"
They will understand "God causes you to believe or you can't".
And they will teach that always.

Now, lets look at some Verses..

1.) "their remainth no more sacrifice for your sin" because you have "willfully sinned", the sin of UNBELIEF... "just as your Father's did".

So, those verses are Hebrews 6 & 10.. .and this one..

“'"You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You ALWAYS RESIST the HOLY Spirit.!""""

So, Hyper Calvinism, teaches that this isn't possible, as you have no free will..
Yet if the Forum member can read, you Just read PAUL tell Christ rejectors, that "THEY...ALWAYS resist the Holy Spirit."
This means that Paul is one confused Calvinist, Hyper Calvinist, or that Calvinism and the "5-points" (TULIP) is a "doctrine of Devils"., as Paul just blamed them for their "resisting the Holy Spirit" that the '5-points" of Hyper Calvinism, says isn't possible.

Now when you read that "you always RESIST THE HOLY SPIRIT", then that is "you are resisting the Truth, that is the Gospel being revealed to you".., and that is also Hebrews 10".. ."If you willfully sin"...(will not believe in Jesus, willfully) there remainth no more JESUS FOR YOU... "there remaineth no more SACRIFICE for your SIN." because of your Willful decision to reject the Sacrifice who is JESUS ON THE CROSS.

So, then If Paul is the "5-point" Hyper Calvinist, who teaches that "you can't choose Christ unless you are caused to believe by the HS"............. then Paul just lied when He taught us that = THEY Resisted the Holy Spirit = Willfully........as does every Christ Rejector.

Notice that Paul didnt say..>>"well, dont worry about it, because you were just not chosen to believe".

Look now at Acts 28:28... as this is actually Hebrews 10... in the Book of the "ACTS of the Apostles."
Paul said to UNBELIEVING JEWS........>>"I will take the Gospel to the Gentiles, and they will Believe it".
So, if these JEWS were "pre-chosen" to not be the "5-Point, Hyper-Calvin" "chosen to believe" .. then you notice that Paul didnt say... "no worries, you can't believe because you are not of the chosen to believe"..

Reader, why did Paul forget all his Hyper-Calvinism, and "TULIP"< "5-points" in these Verses?

A.) Its because Paul is not a Calvinst.. Paul is not a "5-Point " TULIP... = Deceiver.

 

[Behold]

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Now....

Lets look now at JESUS ............who is supposed to be the original Calvinist, and 5-point TULIP author.... who taught Paul to be the same, according to Calvinists and Hyper-Calvinist who are of the "5 points".. (TULIP). (Hyper-Calvinism).

Notice Reader,

You have Thomas the Apostle, who said.. "I WILL NOT BELIEVE, unless I see the proof.. i have to see the nail prints, the wound in the side.... feel them".

So, Thomas is an UNBELIEVER, and just told you so, and He is an APOSTLE, whom Jesus Chose.
Now.. Jesus is resurrected and appears to all the Apostles.
He goes directly to Thomas the Unbeliever.. and says....

"LOOK< Touch... BELIEVE>...

And Thomas then does, BELIEVE..... and says. while kneeling.. "MY LORD< and my GOD". (KJV).

And Jesus says, """"blessed are those who BELIEVE without SEEING..""""

Now do you see that Reader?
Jesus just stated that Thomas BELIEVED, because HE SAW... with His EYES.

And So, apparently, Jesus forgot to say..."Well, you didnt believe because you saw me,.... you only believed because you were pre-destined to believe.".

So... Jesus forgot to be a 5-Point Hyper Calvinist in this verse..

Why?

A.) Because JESUS is not a CALVINIST and Jesus is not a Hyper-Calvinist, "TULIP"> "5-point" : Deceiver.

 

[Behold]

JOHN Wesley stated :

= that Calvinism portrays God as "worse than the devil," suggesting that the doctrine of unconditional predestination leads to a view of God as cruel and unjust. He stated, "You represent him as mocking his helpless creatures, by offering what he never intends to give" This reflects his belief that Calvinism's implications are blasphemous, as it suggests God predestines some to damnation without any hope for redemption.

John Wesley also taught that the logical conclusions of Calvinism imply a God who is more malevolent than the devil, arguing that it makes God the "devouring lion" and "murderer of men" He criticized the idea that God could force individuals into sin and damnation, emphasizing that such a view misrepresents God's character.

 

[360watt]

'if you sin willfully, there no longer remains a sacrifice a sacrifice for sins' is about the sacrifice of bulls, sheeps and goats.

That is the context of Hebrews 10.. animal sacrifice.

So the Hebrews in this were going back to that system of sacrifices to try and please God, as believers in Christ.

So they were being admonished to not go back..as they were figuratively 'trampling the Son of God underfoot'.

 

[Behold]

'if you sin willfully, there no longer remains a sacrifice a sacrifice for sins'

The writer of Hebrews is a Christian, a Jewish Apostle, and He is not selling Bulls and animal sacrifice in Chapter 10.

He's offering Jesus to these Jews, as He does again in Acts 28:28.

What this verse and chapter 6, are showing you, is the "willful sin" of Christ rejection.
This is the "unpardonable sin", being committed and shown to you, in the NT.
This is the choice to "willfully choose to reject Christ"., and if you do that "There is no More JESUS the SACRIFICE available for you as you WILLFULLY rejected it".

 

[360watt]

Preceding context:

(Heb 10:1) For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
(Heb 10:2) For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
(Heb 10:3) But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
(Heb 10:4) For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
(Heb 10:5) Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
(Heb 10:6) In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
More context:
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. -- offering for sin here -- is animal sacrifice.
and then Hebrews 10:26:
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Animal sacrifice is mainly the 'sacrifice for sins' in this passage.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Paul is not a Calvinst..

Calvinism isn't anything more that a paradigmatic theological systematic. it'd one of many, and has much truth in it as well as error. the TRUTH in a nutshell is: in all things, GOD MOVES FIRST.

Personally, I ascribe to NO "theological systematic", and remain an "Eclectic" - I eats the MEAT, and spits out the BONES.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

"YOU, MUST, be born again"

This is the basis of Christianity, and where it all starts. "Calvinism" gets ONE THING ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!! SImply put: GOD MOVES FIRST.

And the first thing in Salvation is most simply CONVICTION OF SIN BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. (Rom 10:17). Without that you can't get anywhere. FAITH (Heb 11:1) in the SIN OFFERING (Isa 53:10) of Jesus on Calvary to cleanse you of All SIN is the only way into the Christian life.

"Religion" doesn't do it, and intellectual "belief" / "religious activity" won't get you there.

 

[Behold]

in all things, GOD MOVES FIRST.

Yes, God moves first.

"Its God who first loved us".
Its the God Man who offers Himself, FIRST, so that we can come to Him, by Faith.

Notice this...
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Notice something.........

If you are born again, so that you can THEN Believe....the gospel.......that means you have no FAITH in Christ YET, and are born again by God, without it.
That can't happen, yet that is the Hyper Calvinism DUNG you are spreading here on the Forum.

See, this [edit] Lie you are teachng, is a Rejection of God's requirement of FAITH........and that is ...>> All who give their Faith in Christ to God... God will accept.

So, all of Calvin's HyperCalvinist Dupes, are teaching that God is saving the person, and forgiving the person, BEFORE they have trusted in Christ..
And that is a serious Cross Rejecting Lie.

Listen,
God does not Save anyone, or forgiven anyone until the SINNER gives God their Faith in Christ, and their "FAITH is counted by God".
That's God's requirment that you are omitting, because your Hyper Calvinism is a mind blinding situation, regarding how to understand SALVATiON as GOD Offers it.

OUR FAITH.... has to come FIRST, as God requires this....and then God forgives, and THEN God gives them the new birth in Christ.

The Hyper Calvinism Lie is.. = that God saves the person, and forgives the person, and gives them the new birth BEFORE they have ever trusted in CHRIST by Faith.......and that LIE is one that should be allowed to be sold on Christian Forums.

 

[Behold]

2.)

= God requires our faith in Christ, not HIS FAITH forced from us, as God does not need His faith...>He requires OURS.

Its our Faith, that God accepts to accpet us, as our "FAITH is counted by God".

God does not give us faith, or cause us to have it, as if He did then that is not OUR Belief.

God is looking for OUR faith, as its OUR Faith that God accepts.

So, = [edit] Hyper-Calvinism, says......"you are born again in Sin"... before you are forgiven, so that you can then have faith in Christ.

Listen, if God gives you the new Birth, that means that God has joined Himself spiritually, to the person, = Spiritual union with God.

Hyper Calvinism .. as a "doctrine of devils" .. teaches that Holy God is joining Himself to an UNFORGIVEN SINNER, and after this, they are caused to have Faith, and will never happen, as it can't.
Hyper Calvinism is a mind bliding theological insanity, that has God spiritually birthing an unforgiven sinner, so that once this happens, they can TNEN.. give God what He required that they give him, initially..... before He will forgive them, and THEN give them the new birth.

 

[atpollard]

Lets look deeper now., into this "Doctrine of Devils" that started with Calvin, and was evolved into Hyper-Calvinism (TULIP) "the 5 points".

Why do you get to redefine the word “Hypercalvinism to mean whatever you want it to?

Hypercalvinism is based on radical Supralapsarianism, so it has NOTHING to do with regular Calvinism and the Doctrines of Grace (aka TULIP). Hypercalvinism believes that God has absolutely ZERO love for the unsaved (it denies common grace). As a humorous example, a Hypercalvinist would argue “The only reason that God makes the sun to shine on the unrighteous is to give them skin cancer!”

 

[Kampioen]

Why do you get to redefine the word “Hypercalvinism to mean whatever you want it to?

Hypercalvinism is based on radical Supralapsarianism, so it has NOTHING to do with regular Calvinism and the Doctrines of Grace (aka TULIP). Hypercalvinism believes that God has absolutely ZERO love for the unsaved (it denies common grace). As a humorous example, a Hypercalvinist would argue “The only reason that God makes the sun to shine on the unrighteous is to give them skin cancer!”

If a Calvinist Christian fears that they may not be of the elect, or fears telling a lost person that Christ died for them for fear of God for being doctrinally incorrect, I would at least call it Neo-Hypercalvinism.

 

[atpollard]

If a Calvinist Christian fears that they may not be of the elect, or fears telling a lost person that Christ died for them for fear of God for being doctrinally incorrect, I would at least call it Neo-Hypercalvinism.

If an Arminian fears that they may fail to maintain their salvation, or fears telling a person that they WILL go to Heaven because that person may not maintain their salvation, would you call that Neo-Neo-Hypercalvinism?

The difference is that your hypothetical Calvinist has misunderstood the Doctrines of Grace (TULIP), while my hypothetical Arminian has correctly understood the doctrine of Free Will.

TULIP believes that SALVATION is ultimately in God's hands to preserve those Jesus died for and FREE WILL believes that SALVATION is primarily in the believer's hands to maintain his belief or perish. Which does the Bible actually teach?
[That is what has been debated since Jacob Arminius and the Council of Dort.]

 

[Believe]

The early church fathers tended to stress the role of human free will in decision-making in general, and in responding to the gospel call specifically.

Of course, the early church’s theologians recognized the references to predestination in the Christian Scriptures, especially in Paul’s writings, and understood predestination to salvation to be based on God’s foreknowledge of how people would respond to the gospel call; those who responded favorably by exercising faith and repenting of their sins were predestined to salvation.

 

[atpollard]

The early church fathers tended to stress the role of human free will in decision-making in general, and in responding to the gospel call specifically.

I am always cautions around the ECFs ... when I read their writings, they have about a 50/50 track record. Someone will emphatically support the dual nature of Christ (fully God and fully man) and then reject the concept of the Trinity.

 

[Dizerner]

Hyper-Calvinism is the only logically consistent Calvinism, and the only kind I could intellectually respect.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

If you are born again, so that you can THEN Believe....the gospel.......that means you have no FAITH in Christ YET, and are born again by God, without it.

Lousy exegesis!!!

Eph 2:8,9 indicates that you are born again BY FAITH - and that NOT of yourself. FAITH is enabled by GOT - in the salvation situation, the "Hearing of FAITH is "Conviction of SIN, without which salvation can't happen.

That's not "Calvinism, it's BIBLE.