Foreknowledge and Predistination

[TomL]

Coming to Jesus in Faith is the result of Election by the Father.

You were refuted

Nope Election is in Christ

and one must trust in - have faith in him to be in him

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB 2020) — 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,

You put the cart before the cart

 

[brightfame52]

You were refuted

Nope Election is in Christ

and one must trust in - have faith in him to be in him

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB 2020) — 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,

You put the cart before the cart

Coming to Jesus in Faith is the result of Election by the Father. Your opposition is to the very words of Christ Jn 6:37

 

[TomL]

Coming to Jesus in Faith is the result of Election by the Father. Your opposition is to the very words of Christ Jn 6:37

You were refuted

Nope Election is in Christ

and one must trust in - have faith in him to be in him

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB 2020) — 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,

You put the cart before the cart

 

[brightfame52]

You were refuted

Nope Election is in Christ

and one must trust in - have faith in him to be in him

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB 2020) — 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,

You put the cart before the cart

Coming to Jesus in Faith is the result of Election by the Father. Your opposition is to the very words of Christ Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

What came first, having been given to Jesus by the Father or the coming to Jesus ? Coming to Jesus and believing in Him are One Jn 6 35


And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

 

[TomL]

Coming to Jesus in Faith is the result of Election by the Father. Your opposition is to the very words of Christ Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

What came first, having been given to Jesus by the Father or the coming to Jesus ? Coming to Jesus and believing in Him are One Jn 6 35


And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

You were refuted

Nope Election is in Christ

and one must trust in - have faith in him to be in him

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB 2020) — 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,

You put the cart before the cart

Oh and what came first being the Fathers or being given to Jesus

John 17:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

 

[brightfame52]

You were refuted

Nope Election is in Christ

and one must trust in - have faith in him to be in him

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB 2020) — 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,

You put the cart before the cart

Oh and what came first being the Fathers or being given to Jesus

John 17:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

Coming to Jesus in Faith is the result of Election by the Father. Your opposition is to the very words of Christ Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

What came first, having been given to Jesus by the Father or the coming to Jesus ? Coming to Jesus and believing in Him are One Jn 6 35


And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

 

[TomL]

Coming to Jesus in Faith is the result of Election by the Father. Your opposition is to the very words of Christ Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

What came first, having been given to Jesus by the Father or the coming to Jesus ? Coming to Jesus and believing in Him are One Jn 6 35


And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

This has not changed

 

[brightfame52]

This has not changed

Coming to Jesus in Faith is the result of Election by the Father. Your opposition is to the very words of Christ Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

What came first, having been given to Jesus by the Father or the coming to Jesus ? Coming to Jesus and believing in Him are One Jn 6 35


And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

 

[TomL]

Coming to Jesus in Faith is the result of Election by the Father. Your opposition is to the very words of Christ Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

What came first, having been given to Jesus by the Father or the coming to Jesus ? Coming to Jesus and believing in Him are One Jn 6 35


And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

Nope Election is in Christ

and one must trust in - have faith in him to be in him

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB 2020) — 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,

You put the cart before the cart

BTW you conflated the question

Oh and what came first being the Fathers or being given to Jesus

John 17:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

 

[brightfame52]

Nope Election is in Christ

and one must trust in - have faith in him to be in him

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB 2020) — 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,

You put the cart before the cart

BTW you conflated the question

Oh and what came first being the Fathers or being given to Jesus

John 17:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

Coming to Jesus in Faith is the result of Election by the Father. Your opposition is to the very words of Christ Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

What came first, having been given to Jesus by the Father or the coming to Jesus ? Coming to Jesus and believing in Him are One Jn 6 35


And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

 

[TomL]

Coming to Jesus in Faith is the result of Election by the Father. Your opposition is to the very words of Christ Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

What came first, having been given to Jesus by the Father or the coming to Jesus ? Coming to Jesus and believing in Him are One Jn 6 35


And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

Sorry there is no election apart from Christ

and one must trust in - have faith in him to be in him

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB 2020) — 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,

You put the cart before the cart

BTW you conflated the question

Oh and what came first being the Fathers or being given to Jesus

John 17:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry there is no election apart from Christ

and one must trust in - have faith in him to be in him

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB 2020) — 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,

You put the cart before the cart

BTW you conflated the question

Oh and what came first being the Fathers or being given to Jesus

John 17:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

Coming to Jesus in Faith is the result of Election by the Father. Your opposition is to the very words of Christ Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

What came first, having been given to Jesus by the Father or the coming to Jesus ? Coming to Jesus and believing in Him are One Jn 6 35


And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

 

[TomL]

Coming to Jesus in Faith is the result of Election by the Father. Your opposition is to the very words of Christ Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

What came first, having been given to Jesus by the Father or the coming to Jesus ? Coming to Jesus and believing in Him are One Jn 6 35


And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

Sorry there is no election apart from Christ

and one must trust in - have faith in him to be in him

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB 2020) — 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,

You put the cart before the cart

BTW you conflated the question

Oh and what came first being the Fathers or being given to Jesus

John 17:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry there is no election apart from Christ

and one must trust in - have faith in him to be in him

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB 2020) — 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,

You put the cart before the cart

BTW you conflated the question

Oh and what came first being the Fathers or being given to Jesus

John 17:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

Coming to Jesus in Faith is the result of Election by the Father. Your opposition is to the very words of Christ Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

What came first, having been given to Jesus by the Father or the coming to Jesus ? Coming to Jesus and believing in Him are One Jn 6 35


And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

 

[civic]

Coming to Jesus in Faith is the result of Election by the Father. Your opposition is to the very words of Christ Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

What came first, having been given to Jesus by the Father or the coming to Jesus ? Coming to Jesus and believing in Him are One Jn 6 35


And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

judas destroys your doctrine.
all the disciples that turned away from Jesus and stopped following Him in John 6 destroys your doctrine and Israel in the OT does as well.

Hope this helps !!!

 

[TomL]

Coming to Jesus in Faith is the result of Election by the Father. Your opposition is to the very words of Christ Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

What came first, having been given to Jesus by the Father or the coming to Jesus ? Coming to Jesus and believing in Him are One Jn 6 35


And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

Sorry there is no election apart from Christ

and one must trust in - have faith in him to be in him

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB 2020) — 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,

You put the cart before the cart

BTW you conflated the question

Oh and what came first being the Fathers or being given to Jesus

John 17:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

 

[brightfame52]

judas destroys your doctrine.
all the disciples that turned away from Jesus and stopped following Him in John 6 destroys your doctrine and Israel in the OT does as well.

Hope this helps !!!

Coming to Jesus in Faith is the result of Election by the Father. Your opposition is to the very words of Christ Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

What came first, having been given to Jesus by the Father or the coming to Jesus ? Coming to Jesus and believing in Him are One Jn 6 35


And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry there is no election apart from Christ

and one must trust in - have faith in him to be in him

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB 2020) — 13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of the promise,

You put the cart before the cart

BTW you conflated the question

Oh and what came first being the Fathers or being given to Jesus

John 17:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

Coming to Jesus in Faith is the result of Election by the Father. Your opposition is to the very words of Christ Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

What came first, having been given to Jesus by the Father or the coming to Jesus ? Coming to Jesus and believing in Him are One Jn 6 35


And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

 

[TomL]

Coming to Jesus in Faith is the result of Election by the Father. Your opposition is to the very words of Christ Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

What came first, having been given to Jesus by the Father or the coming to Jesus ? Coming to Jesus and believing in Him are One Jn 6 35


And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

Those that came to Jesus were the fathers

There is nothing in John about depraved opposed to God men being suddenly given faith and coming to Christ

 

[TomL]

Coming to Jesus in Faith is the result of Election by the Father. Your opposition is to the very words of Christ Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

What came first, having been given to Jesus by the Father or the coming to Jesus ? Coming to Jesus and believing in Him are One Jn 6 35


And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

There is nothing at all about unconditional election in those verses

Hello

And election to salvation is in Christ

In positing unconditional election you present a deficient christology