Faith precedes life !

[Lions Mane]

You not me

It's those tulip tinted eye glasses. A new prescription in what you need. Then you will be able to see clearly with your own free will.

 

[brightfame52]

It's those tulip tinted eye glasses. A new prescription in what you need. Then you will be able to see clearly with your own free will.

Life Spiritual is b4 faith in Christ.

 

[Lions Mane]

Life Spiritual is b4 faith in Christ.

Life Spiritual is after you are saved. your doing the cart before the horse thing.

 

[brightfame52]

Life Spiritual is after you are saved. your doing the cart before the horse thing.

You must be saved Spiritually to believe in Christ.

 

[Jay]

Wrong

Eph 2:8–9 For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast.

Rom 5:1–2 Therefore, because we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we boast in the hope of the glory of God.

Rom 4:16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

How could anyone be so blind not to see that?

 

[Jay]

You must be saved Spiritually to believe in Christ.

Where do you come up with this anti-Christian baloney. Your saying that one needs to be saved twice.

 

[civic]

If there was any truth in that claim, you would have to reject your claim of men being made alive so they could believe.

Those who do not believe will not see life

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.

Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

John 8:24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”

1 John 5:12 The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.

1 John 5:10–13 (The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. The one who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning his Son.) And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

So scripture refutes Calvinism’s belief that unbelievers may be given life so that they may believe

Ditto

 

[brightfame52]

Where do you come up with this anti-Christian baloney. Your saying that one needs to be saved twice.

Regeneration is a phase of Salvation Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost

That's the Spirit's work in Salvation, then a person can believe.

 

[TomL]

Regeneration is a phase of Salvation Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost

That's the Spirit's work in Salvation, then a person can believe.

After faith, one can receive the Spirit.


Acts 2:38 (LEB) — 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Galatians 3:2 (LEB) — 2 I want only to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:5 (LEB) — 5 Therefore does the one who gives you the Spirit and who works miracles among you do so by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Ephesians 1:13 (LEB) — 13 in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

John 7:38–39 (LEB) — 38 the one who believes in me. Just as the scripture said, ‘Out of his belly will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 (Now he said this concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were about to receive. For the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.)

Galatians 3:14 (LEB) — 14 in order that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

 

[TomL]

How could anyone be so blind not to see that?

Good question.

It is through faith we have access to the grace.

Romans 5:2 (LEB) — 2 through whom also we have obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we boast in the hope of the glory of God.

 

[TomL]

Life Spiritual is b4 faith in Christ.

Afraid not


1 John 5:10–13 (The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. The one who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning his Son.) And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

 

[Jay]

Regeneration is a phase of Salvation Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost

That's the Spirit's work in Salvation, then a person can believe.

The “washing of regeneration” refers to being born again. That happens when you believe in Jesus unto salvation.

But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior” Titus 3:3–6

The loving kindness of God our Savior appeared when we came to Him.

Regeneration means taking an already existing thing and making it new again or starting over. In literal terms, it means “birth again.” This renewal work of the Holy Spirit is described as “cleansing” and “purifying” in Ezekiel 36:25–27:

“I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.”

He does that after we accept Him. "I will" after not before.

 

[Lions Mane]

You must be saved Spiritually to believe in Christ.

When you believe in Jesus you are saved. Paul says, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved” Acts 16:31

He also says, “If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved” Romans 10:9

 

[brightfame52]

After faith, one can receive the Spirit.

Before Faith, regeneration is before faith through the resurrection of Jesus Christ first Peter 1:3

 

[brightfame52]

The “washing of regeneration” refers to being born again

Regeneration is a phase of Salvation. According to Titus 3 5 they were saved by what?

 

[brightfame52]

When you believe in Jesus you are saved. Paul says, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved” Acts 16:31

He also says, “If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved” Romans 10:9

You will be saved if you believe in Christ because you are saved B4 you believe in Christ.

 

[Neil Spargo]

You will be saved if you believe in Christ because you are saved B4 you believe in Christ.

That's not according to Christianity.

You sound like:

Even the demons believe that—and shudder.” So, if a person simply believes that there is a God in heaven—and that’s the extent of his faith—then he has exactly the same faith as the demons of hell. That’s not saving faith, even though it involves a measure of belief. Therefore, yes, a person can “believe” in some sense but not be saved.

You just think you are saved before coming to Christ.

 

[TomL]

Before Faith, regeneration is before faith through the resurrection of Jesus Christ first Peter 1:3

Afraid not


Receive the Spirit through faith

Acts 2:38 (LEB) — 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Galatians 3:2 (LEB) — 2 I want only to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:5 (LEB) — 5 Therefore does the one who gives you the Spirit and who works miracles among you do so by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Ephesians 1:13 (LEB) — 13 in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

John 7:38–39 (LEB) — 38 the one who believes in me. Just as the scripture said, ‘Out of his belly will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 (Now he said this concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were about to receive. For the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.)

Galatians 3:14 (LEB) — 14 in order that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

How can you get scripture so wrong.

 

[brightfame52]

That's not according to Christianity.

It's according to scripture. Believe in Christ is evidence one is in a saved state.

 

[brightfame52]

Afraid not

Regeneration is by the resurrection of Jesus Christ given to everyone Christ died for and rose again. Faith and hope comes with regeneration by the Spirit.