What else do you have but wickedness and slander Civic, and your evil judgment boxes you place everyone in, except of course, yourself. Surely your damnation is just.
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What else do you have but wickedness and slander Civic, and your evil judgment boxes you place everyone in, except of course, yourself. Surely your damnation is just.
It is not without considerable difficulty that we can even think about what a spirit is. We have no experiential knowledge and evidence of such a thing. Is a spirit even a thing. A spirit is not something that you can number and count. It is no accident that the word in Hebrew and in Greek that is translated/interpreted as "spirit" is the same word that can mean breath, wind, air, breeze, etc. In His discussion with Nicodemus in John 3, Jesus said, "The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit"(v.8). You can count breaths as in the action of breathing, but not in the breath itself. We talk about the four winds, but that is not really counting wind. We can't really count any gas. We can measure quantity or volume of a gas, but we can number gas as we number solid objects. Thus when we talk about spirits or a spirit, it is somewhat similar. And so much of that exists when we speak about spirits or the spirit. And that is but a small part of the difficulty when we speak of God being the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit; that is, God being three in one.
civic
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projecting again I see with your ad hominem attacks.
woe to those who call good evil and evil good.
the very spirit of antichrist has been flushed out, you have failed the truth test as John points out in 1 John 4:2-4 and 2 John 1:7
hope this helps !!!
DavidTree
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the flesh and blood Body prepared for the Word that was God, who is SPIRIT.
the Word/Spirit was sent by the FATHER/Spirit to earth in a flesh-n-blood Body prepared inside Mary's womb by the Holy Spirit
searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. - 1 Peter 1:11
Now you are not in flesh but in Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you; but if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not of Him. - Romans 8:9
"He is not a trinitarian but a hybrid Unitarian. A disciple of Arius the early church false teacher."
Such a hypocrite.
Yes, woe to those who reject God's Judgments, (Good, Holy, Righteous) and live instead by their own judgments (Evil, deceitful, Godless)
LOL, and yet it is you who preach to the world that Jesus wasn't a flesh and blood mortal human who lived by Faith in God. Truly the antichrist has been flushed out. "the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience".
Another deception.
God is spirit John 4:24. God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. But the Son is more because He took on the flesh and blood of man.
Man is flesh and spirit. Jesus as a man was the Spirit that took on the flesh and blood of man. We are man. We have flesh and we have a spirit. Jesus was a man, He had flesh and, I believe, the Spirit.
Some will argue that the Son was not the Son until He was born of a woman to become the man Jesus. I might argue that the Father was not the Father until Jesus became the Son. I have not found but one place in the OT where the LORD God is referred to as the Father and that is Malachi 2:10. That doesn't mean that is the only place it exists, but it is the only place I have found. And there clearly it is as creator not as parent.
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civic
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God is spirit means the Father is incorporeal, intangible, not having physical form, invisible, never seen etc.....
Yet we know God was physically seen and heard in the O.T. But Jesus declared that no man has seen the Father not heard His voice. So the question becomes who was seen and heard in the OT that was corporeal/visible and appeared to men in the OT ?
It was the Son , the Pre Incarnate Christ, the " angel of the Lord" whom was identified as YHWH and worshipped by those who He made an appearance to in the OT.
Genesis 3:8 declares that the Lord God walked with adam in the garden. We know that was not the Father according to Jesus. It was the Son who appeared to adam and walked with him in the garden.
Who did the OT prophets/saints see in the OT who was called YHWH ?
John 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.
John 5:37
And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form,
John 6:46
No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.
1 Timothy 1:17
17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
1 Timothy 6:13-16
I charge you 14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about in his own time — God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.
1 John 4:12
12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
Colossians 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
1 Timothy 6:15-16
which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen
hope this helps !!!
civic
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Is Jesus still flesh right now ? yes or no
Does Jesus now in heaven have a literal, physical human body, the same one that the disciples saw and touched post resurrection that still retains the scars in His hands, feet and side ? yes or no
now members watch the dodging if these simple questions I just asked take place.
prove me wrong !
Redemption
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But the fact is... Since Jesus walked the earth... the name Jesus is used to refer back into eternity and that just is not right.
Before we read Matthew 1: 21 She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.” No one heard of the name Jesus.
Wiki says The first calling of Jesus' name in the Bible is found in the Gospel of Matthew, specifically in Matthew 1:21, where an angel tells Joseph to name the child Jesus, stating, "you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins." This is also echoed in the Gospel of Luke 1:31, where the angel Gabriel tells Mary to name her child Jesus.
So while it is proper to call Jesus , Jesus... he first was the Word... and all the considerations of him being the incarnate Jesus should be after he became born.
I am not here to debate this point. Just pointing out wrongs that have been done for centuries.
DavidTree
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Correct - the Word became flesh is when the New Covenant began whereby God designates Himself as the FATHER of the only Begotten = John 1:14
Prophecy = I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. - 2 Samuel 7:14
Prophecy fulfilled = And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
DavidTree
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the name Yeshua(Jesus) is found in the OT scriptures
Joshua/Yahshua/Salvation is the one whom God chose to lead the people out of the wilderness into the promised land.
Isaiah 12:2 - “Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and will not be afraid; for the LORD GOD is my strength and my song, and he has become my salvation.”
The Hebrew word for salvation in this passage is a form of Yeshua
DavidTree
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CORRECT
Yet, when referring to Eternity past the Apostle Paul credits JESUS to creating all things because he knew that the Word was God
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or [e]principalities or [f]powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
DavidTree
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i believe this scripture validates your point
For this reason we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; 10that you may walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing Him, being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God; 11strengthened with all might, according to His glorious power, for all patience and longsuffering with joy; 12giving thanks to the Father who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light. 13He has delivered us from the power of darkness and [c]conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14in whom we have redemption [d]through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.
15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or [e]principalities or [f]powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
civic
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Yes and we have the Son declaring this in John 17:5- And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed.
The Sons pre existence in John’s gospel. There are dozens of other scriptures in other places verifying the Eternal existence of the Son.
John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.
All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
John 1:14
14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory
These verses in John’s prologue reveal the pre existence of the Eternal Word/Son who was God and became flesh. He was the Creator of all things. Nothing came into existence apart from Him. He is before everything that has a beginning.
John 1:15
15 John bore witness of Him, and cried out, saying, "This was He of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.'"
John 1:30
"This is He on behalf of whom I said, 'After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.'
John the Baptist was 6 months older than Jesus Christ. So it is impossible for Christ to be before him unless Jesus pre existed.
John 3:13
No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven — the Son of Man.
Again we see the pre existence of the Son and where He declares that He came from heaven to earth.
John 3:17
"For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through Him.
This verse shows the Son was sent from heaven by the Father to the earth.
John 6:38
For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.
Human beings come into existence when they are born into this world, but we surely do not come from Heaven.
John 8:23
"You are from beneath I Am from above, you are of this world I Am not of this world"
John 8:58
Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I Am."
Here we see that Jesus lets the Pharisees know that He existed as a person before Abraham was born. Once again we see Jesus claiming to be the Eternal God.
John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
John 17:1, 5
“Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You,
And now, Father, glorify Me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.
Here we see the Son declared that He shared the same Glory together with the Father prior to creation. This passage makes Him equal with the Father as the Eternal God. Below again we see His pre existence and in 17:25 Jesus again states the Father sent the Son into the world
John 17:24
"Father, I desire that they also, whom Thou hast given Me, be with Me where I am, in order that they may behold My glory, which Thou hast given Me; for Thou didst love Me before the foundation of the world.
hope this helps !!!
Doesn't the Christ "of the bible", teaches that HE was sent by the Father to the earth before Abraham. And this before HE was sent by the Father as a Lamb to the slaughter, a mortal human in the person of Jesus, by the same Holy Spirit?
Yes, the Spirit of Christ was in Caleb, Abraham, Noah, Joshua, Jeremiah David and others. Moses also, who gave the Gospel of Christ to Israel, and all who would dwell with Israel, but most rejected it. Jesus said "Many" who call Him Lord, Lord, will also reject the same Gospel in my time, and will promote instead, "another Jesus" and "another gospel" that is promoted by many who "call Him Lord, Lord, "come in His Name", and transform themselves into apostles of Christ. They promote philosophies and traditions of men, while rejecting the Commandments, Judgments and laws of God in order to keep their own traditions. Didn't Jesus warn of this very thing?
This is why I am on this forum, to point out the Scriptures which are avoided and omitted by the promoters of this worlds religious system, so they too can "Beware and Take Heed" of the "many" who "come in Christ's Name".
The Jesus "of the Bible", the Holy One of Israel "in the Flesh", tells me this.
John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Therefore, if the Word's of the Christ dwells in me, HIS Spirit dwells in me.
But as HE also teaches, it's the "Doers" of His Sayings that will endure in this life, not just those who hear His Words.
This is why Civics words don't dwell in me. Yes, they are seductive, and yes, "many" follow and promote his philosophies. Nevertheless, he is a hearer only of the Christ's Words, and demeans and belittles all who would strive to be "doers" of His Sayings, calling them names, and placing them in his wicked little judgment boxes.
I advocate that men stop walking "according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience".
civic
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This is another scripture validating the Eternal Son as Creator
Hebrews 1:1-2
1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
Verse 2 is talking about the son and it says that God made the universe through him, (in the context of him being a son).
DavidTree
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i have to leave now and later when i get back will read your post - Thank You
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