Ephesians 2:8 salvation is the gift

[Studyman]

@Studyman

Why do you not answer his question?

I did, and if you would have actually read more that one sentence in my post, you would know where to go to see that I did. Nevertheless, the tradition of taking one sentence from a message, and omitting the rest in order to promote a worldly religious philosophy is a powerful tradition among the promoters of this world's religious system, that "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, just can't seem to overcome.

I would advise starting with considering "Every Word" spoken by the Holy One of Israel to overcome this nasty habit.

Studyman, you can boast all day long about you desire to walk and obey God and it means not one thing, if you reject that Jesus Christ is the True God and eternal life!

Again, the only way you can back up such an implication about my posts, is if you cherry pick one sentence, separate it from the rest of all the Scripture I posted, questions I asked, and then twist the sentence to convince others that I reject that Jesus, is the Spirit of Christ, the Rock of Israel who gave them the "The Gospel of Christ", coming out of Egypt, but Many of them rejected it.

The Spirit of Christ who became a mortal human, as Prophesied.

Jesus Christ was a complex person, fully God, and fully man. He is the only God that man or angels as far as that goes, shall ever see. You have clearly more than once denied that God manifest in human flesh in the person of Jesus Christ ~Jesus Christ was the Word in the beginning that was God without any qualifications "whatsoever"! He was "NOT" the Son in beginning, BUT GOD, period! Jesus Christ was God, but God WAS NOT Jesus Christ! The great mystery of godliness without controversy.

You and Kenneth Copeland have your religion, and you are free to peddle it. But I am interested in what is actually written in Scriptures.

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Therefore, in the beginning was the Word of God, and the Word was God and was with God.

John 8: 12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

And who Sent this Light into the World?

John 17: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Was Abraham and Noah not given to this Same Light? Or do you preach another?

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know "thee the only true God", and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

And when did His Father and my Father send my Lord and Savior, the Light of the World, into the world? Was it not in the beginning, as it is written above? And who has seen His Father?

So Red, who sanctified and made Holy the 7th Day? Whose Feast is it? And whose word did this Christ bring into the World?

Of course, you don't believe these things because you have adopted the philosophies of "another voice" in the garden.

Here is your chance, please in a few word state you understanding of the Godhead. Your confession will say whether anyone should continue to even consider a word you have to say. What saith thou?

"But I would have you know, that the head of "every man" is Christ

This would include Abel, Noah and Abraham, Yes? Or in your religion, did Noah and Abraham "Yield themselves" a servant to obey another?

and the head of the woman "is the man"; and the "head of Christ" "is God".

This would be the One True God that the Christ said Sent Him into the world, to show men in the way that he should go, Yes? Or in your religion, did Jesus "Yield Himself" to another?

Is. 48: 16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, "hath sent me".

17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. 18 O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

Is this not the God of Abraham, the Light of this world that His Father, who HE teaches in the One True God, that sent Him into this World?

Or do you promote another?

 

[DavidTree]

Again, as is your custom, the tradition of this world's religious system you have adopted that I pointed out in my post. You take one scripture out of the Christ's Message through Jeremiah, separate it from the rest of the Bible, and complete ignore what the Message actually is.

Here, let's post what is actually written and then enter into a discussion about why the Holy One of Israel had this written for my admonition, in my time on earth, upon whom the ends of the world have come.

Jer. 10: 1 Hear ye the word which the LORD (Who Became Flesh and Blood in the person of Jesus ) speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:

2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; "they fasten it with nails and with hammers", that it move not.

5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.

7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.

8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.

9 Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder: blue and purple is their clothing: they are all the work of cunning men.

10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.

Now I will ask you a question and see if you will answer.

Has the Christ, the Holy One of Israel, who became a mortal man in the person of Jesus, who was killed be men professing to know God, raised from the Dead, and ascended to His Father, returned to this earth in His Wrath?

Or is this prophesy yet to be fulfilled?

40 years ago i realized that God exposed the origin of the christmas tree in Jeremiah chapter 10

Roman Catholicism/the Vatican is pure evil = always was

 

[civic]

I did, and if you would have actually read more that one sentence in my post, you would know where to go to see that I did. Nevertheless, the tradition of taking one sentence from a message, and omitting the rest in order to promote a worldly religious philosophy is a powerful tradition among the promoters of this world's religious system, that "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, just can't seem to overcome.

I would advise starting with considering "Every Word" spoken by the Holy One of Israel to overcome this nasty habit.



Again, the only way you can back up such an implication about my posts, is if you cherry pick one sentence, separate it from the rest of all the Scripture I posted, questions I asked, and then twist the sentence to convince others that I reject that Jesus, is the Spirit of Christ, the Rock of Israel who gave them the "The Gospel of Christ", coming out of Egypt, but Many of them rejected it.

The Spirit of Christ who became a mortal human, as Prophesied.



You and Kenneth Copeland have your religion, and you are free to peddle it. But I am interested in what is actually written in Scriptures.

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Therefore, in the beginning was the Word of God, and the Word was God and was with God.

John 8: 12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

And who Sent this Light into the World?

John 17: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Was Abraham and Noah not given to this Same Light? Or do you preach another?

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know "thee the only true God", and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

And when did His Father and my Father send my Lord and Savior, the Light of the World, into the world? Was it not in the beginning, as it is written above? And who has seen His Father?

So Red, who sanctified and made Holy the 7th Day? Whose Feast is it? And whose word did this Christ bring into the World?

Of course, you don't believe these things because you have adopted the philosophies of "another voice" in the garden.



"But I would have you know, that the head of "every man" is Christ

This would include Abel, Noah and Abraham, Yes? Or in your religion, did Noah and Abraham "Yield themselves" a servant to obey another?

and the head of the woman "is the man"; and the "head of Christ" "is God".

This would be the One True God that the Christ said Sent Him into the world, to show men in the way that he should go, Yes? Or in your religion, did Jesus "Yield Himself" to another?

Is. 48: 16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, "hath sent me".

17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. 18 O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

Is this not the God of Abraham, the Light of this world that His Father, who HE teaches in the One True God, that sent Him into this World?

Or do you promote another?

The spirit of Christ in the OT did not become a human.

The Eternal Son who equal to the Eternal Father became human. Your religious lingo denies His true identity as the Eternal God, YHWH.

 

[atpollard]

40 years ago i realized that God exposed the origin of the christmas tree in Jeremiah chapter 10

Roman Catholicism/the Vatican is pure evil = always was

Good grief … Jeremiah is being poetic and describing cutting down a tree to carve an idol and cover it with silver and gold and worship it as a false god.

Martin Luther dragged Evergreen trees into the church for Christmas … they were green and alive when everything else was cold and white and dead … symbolizing the ETERNAL LIFE that Jesus offers (an appropriate thought at the celebration of his incarnation). Just like Holly … green leaves to symbolize life and red berries to symbolize Jesus blood (also introduced by Luther). He was trying to teach people about the savior.

 

[DavidTree]

Good grief … Jeremiah is being poetic and describing cutting down a tree to carve an idol and cover it with silver and gold and worship it as a false god.

Martin Luther dragged Evergreen trees into the church for Christmas … they were green and alive when everything else was cold and white and dead … symbolizing the ETERNAL LIFE that Jesus offers (an appropriate thought at the celebration of his incarnation). Just like Holly … green leaves to symbolize life and red berries to symbolize Jesus blood (also introduced by Luther). He was trying to teach people about the savior.

RCC and it's idols

Christmas trees do not bother me AND i do not judge or in any way diminish anyone for having one at christmas.

Of course you know that JESUS was not born on Dec 25th............or do you?

 

[atpollard]

RCC and it's idols

Christmas trees do not bother me AND i do not judge or in any way diminish anyone for having one at christmas.

Of course you know that JESUS was not born on Dec 25th............or do you?

Actually, there is as much evidence FOR late December/early January as there is evidence that is was a completely different time of year.

Did you know that “Christmas” is the rainy season and the only time of year that the grass is lush enough for multiple herds to gather together on the same hill? As in a GROUP of shepherds to whom angels might appear. Were you aware that that was about the right time that shepherds would be moving sheep to Bethlehem for inspection in preparation for a Passover offering in a few months?

Now, there is reason to accept other times as well. Clearly no Gospel writer or Apostolic Letter thought the matter important enough to be worth mentioning an exact date (and these people lived to give exact dates) … so ultimately, it must not be important. I just don’t like traditions getting tromped on without a good reason. We get enough of that from the WORLD without Christians piling on, too.

 

[Red Baker]

@pllard

Actually, there is as much evidence FOR late December/early January as there is evidence that is was a completely different time of year.

I would say much more evidence for late October, since the Lord Jesus lived around 33 1/2 years and was without question crucified around late March while it still was a little cold outside, (known by Peter warming himself by the fire) but, WHO CARES about dates, December 25th is an hoax just like everything else that comes from Romans Catholicism. We are not called to worship his birth, (he's not a infant in a crib, but a Mightily conquering King upon David's Throne exalted high above every name that is named, or will ever be named!) but his life, and death, and resurrection from the grave ~ and given the Lord's Supper to keep these things ever before our weak minds.

1st Timothy 6:15​

“Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;”

 

[Red Baker]

@Studyman

I did, and if you would have actually read more that one sentence in my post, you would know where to go to see that I did. Nevertheless, the tradition of taking one sentence from a message, and omitting the rest in order to promote a worldly religious philosophy is a powerful tradition among the promoters of this world's religious system, that "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, just can't seem to overcome.

I would advise starting with considering "Every Word" spoken by the Holy One of Israel to overcome this nasty habit.

Sir, read every word of your post before posting, some even twice, to make sure I was hearing you properly and was careful with dissecting your words..... So, carefully to (1) make sure I was hearing you correctly, and seeking to see your underlying problem and the manner in which you were seeking to cover your error, whether or not intentionally done is not up to be to say, only God can judge the secrets of men's heart and he will. ; (2) and I could properly correct your errors scripturally for others to see and know, and avoid from doing the same.

Again, the only way you can back up such an implication about my posts, is if you cherry pick one sentence, separate it from the rest of all the Scripture I posted, questions I asked, and then twist the sentence to convince others that I reject that Jesus, is the Spirit of Christ, the Rock of Israel who gave them the "The Gospel of Christ", coming out of Egypt, but Many of them rejected it.

You think? We shall see and let others judge, this is the manner of Godly men from the scriptures.

Acts 17:2​

“And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,”

The Spirit of Christ who became a mortal human, as Prophesied.

Here were you deceitfully use scriptures to teach a false doctrine, again whether or not purposely, that's not for me to say, since I do not know your heart and will never know it. God has called no man to be such a judge over men's heart, but we must judge their doctrine whether true of false, and let the chips fall where they will fall, and see who continues to preach the corrupt message concerning the Godhead.

Jesus Christ, who was the Word in the beginning, which was God, without any qualification, or modification, was made flesh, and dwelt among men; Thereby, the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God are ONE in their Divine nature, not two separate God's, that's impossible and still be correct in our understanding of the Godhead.

Can true Divinity be deprived or propagated? The very thought of this in a positive way is blasphemy against the God of the holy scriptures. What is real Divinity of the Most High God? The following attributes have ever been conceived as essential to it: Self-existence, Infinity, Independence, Omniscience, Omnipotence, Omnipresence, Immutability, eternal both ways, and Infinite in every way possible that is imaginable to the human mind.

So, Studyman let me ask you a question, is the Spirit of God and of Christ one and the same in their eternal Godhead as "ONE" Lord God, the Creator of all things or as Pau said:

Colossians 1:15,16​

“Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:”

Even though "ONE" Lord God, yet revealed to us as three only according to each's work in the redemption of God's elect. Jesus Christ was God, of Genesis 1:1 in his Divinity. The Word was made flesh, yet God who is a Spirit continued to live in eternity, and this can never change, no not ever. This glorious Being has made himself known in the Person of Jesus Christ of Narareth by joining his tabernacle and living among men. Again, Jesus Christ was God, but God was NOT Jesus Christ ~ he is an Eternal Spirit, that will always be above the Jesus as far as his humanity goes, yet He is the ONLY God men or angels will ever see.

You and Kenneth Copeland have your religion, and you are free to peddle it. But I am interested in what is actually written in Scriptures.

Leave Kenneth Copeland out of this, he believes much more like you then he will ever believe as I do. He's a blatantly false prophet, purposely, and openly deceiving millions and millions of folks ~ adding his "outlandish lifestyle" speaks for itself, without judging him.

Prove that you are only interested in what is actually written in the scriptures, actions speak much louder than word as the old cliché goes.

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Therefore, in the beginning was the Word of God, and the Word was God and was with God.

Here is where you think you are teaching correctly and that other just do not get what you are saying, but the truth is, I do hear exactly what you are saying, and you sir are not rightly dividing the scriptures, and thereby end up preaching that Jesus Christ in his flesh was NOT God in Genesis 1:1 where there was only ONE GOD!

John 8: 12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

And who Sent this Light into the World?

According to the work of redemption, God who was in the beginning as ONE GOD, purpose to have a Son to be born in TIME for the redemption of his chosen people, who were elected according to God's foreknowledge, based on the truth of God's infinite knowledge of knowing the end from the beginning, knowing that creation itself would bring in a race of people that would not have the power of immutability, so it was God the invisible Spirit which lived and dwells in eternity, sent his Son into the world, a Son he purposed to have in TIME by a virgin named Mary. For your information, this Son is also termed:

Isaiah 9:6​

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

So Red, who sanctified and made Holy the 7th Day? Whose Feast is it? And whose word did this Christ bring into the World?

Of course, you don't believe these things because you have adopted the philosophies of "another voice" in the garden.

The LORD God, whose name is JEHOVAH. I'm convinced it it you sir, that is following another voice, other than the mighty voice of the Spirit of God, who gave to us his word to know the truth concerning him.

"But I would have you know, that the head of "every man" is Christ

This would include Abel, Noah and Abraham, Yes? Or in your religion, did Noah and Abraham "Yield themselves" a servant to obey another?

and the head of the woman "is the man"; and the "head of Christ" "is God".

As far as his humanity goes, Christ is subjected to God his Father, but at the same time they are "ONE" in their Divine nature as ONE GOD of Genesis 1:1.

This would be the One True God that the Christ said Sent Him into the world, to show men in the way that he should go, Yes? Or in your religion, did Jesus "Yield Himself" to another?

God sent his Son into the world, a Son he purpose to have in TIME, and by the very fact that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Ghost that made him equal to God and he prove it by the spirit of holiness,

1 Peter 2:22​

“Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:"

Is this not the God of Abraham, the Light of this world that His Father, who HE teaches in the One True God, that sent Him into this World?

The God of Genesis 11 and Jesus Christ are the TRUE GOD, this Glorious Being purpose to reveal himself, through creation, but creation meant there had to be a provision provided for those whom he would create to be secured in his image, and this was done by God purposely sending a Son into world to be a surety for his chosen people to secured this image that he knew they could not secured for themselves.

Yes, God sent his Son into the world, but this Son "is also" the Mighty God who purposed these things in his Divine nature as God, who was indeed before Abraham. It is called by Paul the mystery of godliness. Yet, w must be careful, not to reject Jesus from being God manifest in the flesh ~ we must labor to properly divide Jesus from his Divine nature as God and his human nature as man.

Or do you promote another?

1st John 5:20​

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”

 

[DavidTree]

Actually, there is as much evidence FOR late December/early January as there is evidence that is was a completely different time of year.

Did you know that “Christmas” is the rainy season and the only time of year that the grass is lush enough for multiple herds to gather together on the same hill? As in a GROUP of shepherds to whom angels might appear. Were you aware that that was about the right time that shepherds would be moving sheep to Bethlehem for inspection in preparation for a Passover offering in a few months?

Now, there is reason to accept other times as well. Clearly no Gospel writer or Apostolic Letter thought the matter important enough to be worth mentioning an exact date (and these people lived to give exact dates) … so ultimately, it must not be important. I just don’t like traditions getting tromped on without a good reason. We get enough of that from the WORLD without Christians piling on, too.

Whatever the day, we know it was not December 25th

What is December 25th to those who know not God (this means it does not apply to you = kapish)

"The people of ancient Rome celebrated the winter solstice with the festival of Saturnalia. It was meant as a way to celebrate and give thanks to the Roman god of agriculture, Saturn."

You can read more here: https://historycooperative.org/pagan-origins-of-christmas/

 

[atpollard]

Whatever the day, we know it was not December 25th

What is December 25th to those who know not God (this means it does not apply to you = kapish)

"The people of ancient Rome celebrated the winter solstice with the festival of Saturnalia. It was meant as a way to celebrate and give thanks to the Roman god of agriculture, Saturn."

You can read more here: https://historycooperative.org/pagan-origins-of-christmas/

"Saturnalia is an ancient Roman festival and holiday in honour of the god Saturn, held on 17 December in the Julian calendar and later expanded with festivities until 19 December. By the 1st century BC, the celebration had been extended until 23 December, for a total of seven days of festivities." - Wikipedia

Here is a list of Roman Holidays ... what day is NOT on or near a Roman Holiday?

Ianuarius​

• 1 (Calends): From 153 BC onward, consuls entered office on this date, accompanied by vota publica (public vows for the wellbeing of the republic and later of the emperor) and the taking of auspices. Festivals were also held for the imported cult of Aesculapius and for the obscure god Vediovis.
• 3-5: most common dates for Compitalia, a movable feast (feriae conceptivae)
• 5 (Nones): Dies natalis (founding day) of the shrine of Vica Pota on the Velian Hill
• 9: Agonalia in honor of Janus, after whom the month January is named; first of at least four festivals named Agonalia throughout the year
• 11 and 15: Carmentalia, with Juturna celebrated also on the 11th
• 13 (Ides)
• 24–26: most common dates for the Sementivae, a feriae conceptivae of sowing, perhaps also known as the Paganalia as celebrated by the pagi
• 27: Dies natalis of the Temple of Castor and Pollux, or perhaps marking its rededication (see also July 15); Ludi Castores ("Games of the Castors") celebrated at Ostia during the Imperial period

Februarius​

In the archaic Roman calendar, February was the last month of the year. The name derives from februa, "the means of purification, expiatory offerings." It marked a turn of season, with February 5 the official first day of spring bringing the renewal of agricultural activities after winter.

• 1 (Kalends): Dies natalis for the Temple of Juno Sospita, Mother and Queen; sacra at the Grove of Alernus, near the Tiber at the foot of the Palatine Hill
• 5: Dies natalis for the Temple of Concord on the Capitoline Hill
• 13 (Ides): minor festival of Faunus on the Tiber Island
• 13–22: Parentalia, a commemoration of ancestors and the dead among families
  • 13: Parentatio, with appeasement of the Manes beginning at the 6th hour and ceremonies performed by the chief Vestal; temples were closed, no fires burned on altars, marriages were forbidden, magistrates took off their insignia, until the 21st
• 15: Lupercalia
• 17: last day of the feriae conceptivae Fornacalia, the Oven Festival; Quirinalia, in honour of Quirinus
• 21: Feralia, the only public observation of the Parentalia, marked F (dies festus) in some calendars and FP (a designation of uncertain meaning) in others, with dark rites aimed at the gods below (di inferi)
• 22: Caristia (or Cara Cognatio, "Dear Kindred"), a potluck meal provided by all the family, and shared in a spirit of love and forgiveness
• 23: Terminalia, in honour of Terminus
• 24: Regifugium
• 27: Equirria, first of two horse-racing festivals to Mars

Martius​

In the old Roman calendar (until perhaps as late as 153 BC), the mensis Martius ("Mars' Month") was the first month of the year. It is one of the few months to be named for a god, Mars, whose festivals dominate the month.

• 1 (Kalends): the original New Year's Day when the sacred fire of Rome was renewed; the dancing armed priesthood of the Salii celebrated the Feriae Marti (holiday for Mars), which was also the dies natalis ("birthday") of Mars; also the Matronalia, in honor of Juno Lucina, Mars' mother
• 7: a second festival for Vediovis
• 9: a dies religiosus when the Salii carried the sacred shields (ancilia) around the city again
• 14: the second Equirria, a Feriae Marti also called the Mamuralia or sacrum Mamurio
• 15 (Ides): Feriae Iovi, sacred to Jove, and also the feast of the year goddess Anna Perenna
• 16–17: the procession of the Argei
• 17: Liberalia, in honour of Liber; also an Agonalia for Mars
• 19: Quinquatrus, later expanded into a five-day holiday as Quinquatria, a Feriae Marti, but also a feast day for Minerva, possibly because her temple on the Aventine Hill was dedicated on this day
• 23: Tubilustrium, purification of the trumpets.
• 24: a day marked QRCF, when the Comitia Calata met to sanction wills
• 25: Hilaria, A two-weeks long festival commemorating Cybele's lamentation (fasting, castigation, taurobolium, festoonment, washing) of the death and rejoicing of at the resurrection of her mortal lover Attis.
• 31: anniversary of the Temple of Luna on the Aventine

Aprilis​

A major feriae conceptivae in April was the Latin Festival.

• 1 (Kalends): Veneralia in honour of Venus
• 4–10: Ludi Megalenses or Megalesia, in honor of the Magna Mater or Cybele, whose temple was dedicated April 10, 191 BC
• 5: anniversary of the Temple of Fortuna Publica
• 12–19: Cerialia or Ludi Cereri, festival and games for Ceres, established by 202 BC
• 13 (Ides): anniversary of the Temple of Jupiter Victor
• 15: Fordicidia, offering of a pregnant cow to Tellus ("Earth")
• 21: Parilia, rustic festival in honour of Pales, and the dies natalis of Rome
• 21: Dies Romana, a festival linked to the foundation of Rome. According to legend, Romulus is said to have founded the city of Rome on April 21, 753 BC. From this date, the Roman chronology derived its system, known by the Latin phrase Ab Urbe condita, meaning "from the founding of the City", which counted the years from this presumed foundation.
• 23: the first of two wine festivals (Vinalia), the Vinalia Priora for the previous year's wine, held originally for Jupiter and later Venus
• 25: Robigalia, an agricultural festival involving dog sacrifice
• 27 (28 in the Julian calendar) to May 1: Ludi Florales in honour of Flora, extended to May 3 under the Empire

Maius​

The feriae conceptivae of this month was the Ambarvalia.

• 1 (Kalends): Games of Flora continue; sacrifice to Maia; anniversary of the Temple of Bona Dea on the Aventine; rites for the Lares Praestites, tutelaries of the city of Rome
• 3: in the Imperial period, a last celebration for Flora, or the anniversary of one of her temples
• 9, 11, 13: Lemuria, a festival of the dead with both public and household rites, possibly with a sacrifice to Mania on the 11th
• 14: anniversary of the Temple of Mars Invictus (Mars the Unconquered); a second procession of the Argei
• 15 (Ides): Mercuralia, in honor of Mercury; Feriae of Jove
• 21: one of four Agonalia, probably a third festival for Vediovis
• 23: a second Tubilustrium; Feriae for Volcanus (Vulcan)
• 24: QRCF, following Tubilustrium as in March
• 25: anniversary of the Temple of Fortuna Primigenia

Iunius​

Scullard places the Taurian Games on June 25–26, but other scholars doubt these ludi had a fixed date or recurred on a regular basis.

• 1 (Kalends): anniversaries of the Temple of Juno Moneta; of the Temple of Mars on the clivus (slope, street) outside the Porta Capena; and possibly of the Temple of the Tempestates (storm goddesses); also a festival of the complex goddess Cardea or Carna
• 3: anniversary of the Temple of Bellona
• 4: anniversary of the restoration of the Temple of Hercules Custos
• 5: anniversary of the Temple of Dius Fidius
• 7: Ludi Piscatorii, "Fishermen's Games"
• 7–15: Vestalia, in honour of Vesta; June 9 was a dies religiosus to her
• 8: anniversary of the Temple of Mens
• 11: Matralia in honour of Mater Matuta; also the anniversary of the Temple of Fortuna in the Forum Boarium
• 13 (Ides): Feriae of Jove
• 13–15: Quinquatrus minusculae, the lesser Quinquatrus celebrated by tibicines, flute-players in their role as accompanists to religious ceremonies
• 19: a commemoration involving the Temple of Minerva on the Aventine, which had its anniversary March 19
• 20: anniversary of the Temple of Summanus
• 24: festival of Fors Fortuna, which "seems to have been a rowdy affair"
• 27: poorly attested observance in honour of the Lares; anniversary of the Temple of Jupiter Stator
• 29: anniversary of the Temple of Hercules Musarum, Hercules of the Muses

​

Until renamed for Julius Caesar, this month was called Quinctilis or Quintilis, originally the fifth month (quint-) when the year began in March. From this point in the calendar forward, the months had numerical designations.

• 1 (Kalends): a scarcely attested anniversary of a temple to Juno Felicitas
• 5: Poplifugia
• 6–13: Ludi Apollinares, games in honour of Apollo, first held in 212 BC as a one-day event (July 13) and established as annual in 208 BC.
• 6: anniversary of the Temple of Fortuna Muliebris
• 7 (Nones): Nonae Caprotinae; Ancillarum Feriae (Festival of the Serving Women); sacrifice to Consus by unspecified public priests (sacerdotes publici); also a minor festival to the two Pales
• 8: Vitulatio
• 14–19: a series of markets or fairs (mercatus) following the Ludi Apollinares; not religious holidays
• 15 (Ides): Transvectio equitum, a procession of cavalry
• 17: anniversary of the Temple of Honos and Virtus; sacrifice to Victory
• 18: a dies ater ("black day," meaning a day of ill omen) marking the defeat of the Romans by the Gauls at the Battle of the Allia in 390 BC, leading to the sack of Rome by the Gauls
• 19, 21: Lucaria
• 20–30: Ludi Victoriae Caesaris, "Games of the Victorious Caesar", held annually from 45 BC
• 22: anniversary of the Temple of Concordia at the foot of the Capitol
• 23: Neptunalia held in honour of Neptune
• 25: Furrinalia, feriae publicae in honour of Furrina
• 30: anniversary of the Temple of the Fortune of This Day (Fortunae Huiusque Diei)

​

Until renamed for Augustus Caesar, this month was called Sextilis, originally the sixth month (sext-) when the year began in March.

• 1 (Kalends): anniversary of the Temple of Spes (Hope) in the Forum Holitorium, with commemorations also for the "two Victories" on the Palatine
• 3: Supplicia canum ("punishment of the dogs") an unusual dog sacrifice and procession at the temples of Iuventas ("Youth") and Summanus, connected to the Gallic siege
• 5: public sacrifice (sacrificium publicum) at the Temple of Salus on the Quirinal
• 9: public sacrifice to Sol Indiges
• 12: sacrifice of a heifer to Hercules Invictus, with a libation from the skyphos of Hercules
• 13 (Ides): festival of Diana on the Aventine (Nemoralia), with slaves given the day off to attend; other deities honored at their temples include Vortumnus, Fortuna Equestris, Hercules Victor (or Invictus at the Porta Trigemina), Castor and Pollux, the Camenae, and Flora
• 17: Portunalia in honour of Portunus; anniversary of the Temple of Janus
• 19: Vinalia Rustica, originally in honour of Jupiter, but later Venus
• 21: Consualia, with a sacrifice on the Aventine
• 23: Vulcanalia or Feriae Volcano in honour of Vulcan, along with sacrifices to Maia, the Nymphs in campo ("in the field", perhaps the Campus Martius), Ops Opifera, and a Hora
• 24: sacrifices to Luna on the Graecostasis; and the first of three days when the mysterious ritual pit called the mundus was opened
• 25: Opiconsivia or Feriae Opi in honour of Ops Consivae at the Regia
• 27: Volturnalia, when the Flamen Volturnalis made a sacrifice to Volturnus
• 28: Games at the Circus Maximus (circenses) for Sol and Luna

September​

• 1 (Kalends): ceremonies for Jupiter Tonans ("the Thunderer") on the Capitolium, and Juno Regina on the Aventine
• 5: anniversary of one of the temples to Jupiter Stator
• 5–19, Ludi Romani or Ludi Magni, "the oldest and most famous" of the ludi
• 13 (Ides): anniversary of the Temple to Jupiter Optimus Maximus; an Epulum Iovis; an epulum to the Capitoline Triad
• 14: Equorum probatio ("Approval of the Horses"), a cavalry parade of the Imperial period
• 20–23: days set aside for markets and fairs (mercatus) immediately following the Ludi Romani
• 23: anniversary of the rededication of the Temple of Apollo in the Campus Martius; Latona was also honored
• 26: anniversary of the Temple of Venus Genetrix vowed by Julius Caesar

October​

• 1 (Kalends): ceremonies for Fides and the Tigillum Sororium
• 3–12: Ludi Augustales, established 14 AD after the death of Augustus, based on the Augustalia
• 4: Ieiunium Cereris, a day of fasting in honour of Ceres, instituted in 191 BC as a quinquennial observance, made annual by Augustus
• 5: second of the three days when the mundus was opened
• 6: dies ater ("black day") to mark the anniversary of the battle of Arausio (105 BC)
• 7 (Nones): rites for Jupiter Fulgur (Jupiter of daytime lightning) and Juno Curitis
• 9: rites at shrines for the Genius Publicus, Fausta Felicitas, and Venus Victrix on the Capitolium
• 10: ceremonies to mark a rededication of the Temple of Juno Moneta
• 11: Meditrinalia
• 12: Augustalia, celebrated from 14 AD in honour of the divinized Augustus, established in 19 BC with a new altar and sacrifice to Fortuna Redux
• 13: Fontinalia in honour of Fons
• 14: ceremonies to mark a restoration of the Temple of the Penates Dei on the Velian Hill
• 15 (Ides): October Horse sacrifice to Mars in the Campus Martius; also Feriae of Jupiter
• 19: Armilustrium, a dies religiosus in honour of Mars
• 26 to November 1: Ludi Victoriae Sullanae, "Victory Games of Sulla", established as an annual event in 81 BC

November​

• 1 (Kalends): Ludi circenses to close the Sullan Victory Games
• 4–17: Ludi Plebeii (Plebeian Games)
• 8: third of the three days when the mundus ritual pit was opened
• 13 (Ides): Epulum Jovis; also ceremonies for Feronia and Fortuna Primigeniae
• 14: a second Equorum probatio (cavalry parade), as on July 15
• 18–20: markets and fairs (mercatus)
• 24-30: Brumalia (continues into December)

December​

• 1-17: Brumalia (continued from November)
• 3: Bona Dea rites for women only
• 5 (Nones): a country festival for Faunus held by the pagi
• 8: festival for Tiberinus Pater and Gaia
• 11: Agonalia for Indiges; also the (probably unrelated) Septimontium
• 12: ceremonies at the Temple of Consus on the Aventine
• 13 (Ides): dies natalis of the Temple of Tellus, and associated lectisternium for Ceres
• 15: Consualia or Feriae for Consus, the second of the year
• 17–23: Saturnalia in honour of Saturn, with the public ritual on the 17th
• 18 Eponalia in honor of Epona
• 19: Opalia in honor of Ops
• 21: Divalia in honor of Angerona; Hercules and Ceres also received a sacrifice
• 22: anniversary of the Temple of the Lares Permarini in the Porticus Minucia
• 23: Larentalia; commemorations for the temples of Diana and Juno Regina in the Circus Flaminius, and for the Tempestates; Sigillaria, the last day of the Saturnalia, devoted to gift-giving
• 25: Dies Natalis Solis Invicti ("Birthday of the Unconquered Sun")

 

[JLB]

This is correct and you will not find me disagreeing with you ~what you will find, is that we teach as the scriptures reveals, that only a regenerated person has this power to gain faith in the doctrines of the scriptures,

Please tell me which scriptures and doctrines by which Noah gained faith?


By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith. Hebrews 11:7


Also Abraham -

By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. Hebrews 11:8

 

[Studyman]

The spirit of Christ in the OT did not become a human.

The Eternal Son who equal to the Eternal Father became human. Your religious lingo denies His true identity as the Eternal God, YHWH.

The Christ "of the Bible", the Light of the World, a Holy Spirit, said HE was sent by His Father that No man has ever seen, to teach men in the way they should go. I would post the Scriptures again, but you have judged them as unworthy of your respect and honor, and have shown dozens of times that the Holy Scriptures have no real bearing on the religious philosophy you have adopted are now promoting to others. No different than JW's you demean, Calvinist's you demean, or the Pharisees, the mainstream preachers of Jesus Time.

I asked you once several questions concerning this very topic, even asking you "WHEN" the Holy One of Israel was sent into the world? And if Noah and Abraham and Caleb are included in the men that HIS Father gave to Him?

But your master would not let you answer.

 

[civic]

The Christ "of the Bible", the Light of the World, a Holy Spirit, said HE was sent by His Father that No man has ever seen, to teach men in the way they should go. I would post the Scriptures again, but you have judged them as unworthy of your respect and honor, and have shown dozens of times that the Holy Scriptures have no real bearing on the religious philosophy you have adopted are now promoting to others. No different than JW's you demean, Calvinist's you demean, or the Pharisees, the mainstream preachers of Jesus Time.

I asked you once several questions concerning this very topic, even asking you "WHEN" the Holy One of Israel was sent into the world? And if Noah and Abraham and Caleb are included in the men that HIS Father gave to Him?

But your master would not let you answer.

The Son who has always existed together with the Father before creation sharing the same glory together with the Father as per John 17:5 became a man, not the spirit or Holy Spirit.

Next fallacy

 

[Red Baker]

@JLB

Please tell me which scriptures and doctrines by which Noah gained faith?

JLB, as all should know and confess, that the scriptures are not without some difficulty, actually much.

Those great "Patriarchs and Prophets" the true church fathers, had a direct revelation from God, and were to a degree taught by him. If we can have a more sure word of prophecy in the scriptures than what Peter and James and John, when they were with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration, then consider how much more can those "Patriarchs and Prophets" had having a direct visons and revelations from God.

Hebrews 1:1​

“God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,”

In the Old Testament, God communicated with patriarchs and prophets through various means, including direct speech, dreams, visons, and angels, at times through dumb ***, etc.

Genesis 6:13​

“And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”

That which I highlighted in red is the word of God that Noah believed and caused to moved with fear. Not only cause him to moved with fear, but he became a preacher of righteousness warning others by his life of faith, doing what the word of Lord said would be done to the world of ungodly men and women, along with their children and all that they had.

2nd Peter 2:5​

“And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;”

No they did not have the written word of God that we have, but they were not without the testimony of God's word either, all the way back to the garden of Eden which they all knew very well, mainly because men lived almost a thousand years back before the flood, so the word of God was very much in the world, though not many believed it. After the flood men lost much knowledge on how to lived as long as they did before the flood, and the knowledge that was imparted to Adam, help them lived that long, which knowledge gradually and eventually was lost through the next few generations up until we get to David's generation, where it has remain basically the same since.

By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. Hebrews 11:8

God called Abraham alone out from his father's house ~ in exactly what manner this took place we are not told, I'm pretty sure no Baptist missionary was there sharing the gospel, pleading for men to give their hearts to Jesus. Understanding the new birth, it was the Spirit of God regenerating Abraham and causing them to be primed for God appearing to him, in exact manner God did this, is hidden from us.

Isaiah 51:2​

“Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.”

Hebrews 11:8​

“By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.”

Galatians 3:6~Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.​

This is the most popular Bible quotation (Gen 15:6; Rom 4:3,5,6,9,22,24; Gal 3:6; Jas 2:23). Paul declared New Testament worship of Christ to be comparable to Abraham’s worship. The adverbial phrase, even as, means that there is a very strong comparison to be seen.

Abraham is the greatest example of it of faith in God in the scriptures! God approved Abraham by faith (Gen 15:6).

JLB, why is Abraham so important? For very good reasons in opposing the legalism of Judaizers and all that believe and teach our works plays a part in our salvation from sin and condemnation.

All the Jews and Gentiles in our day recognized Abraham as the great friend of God, inheritor of promises, and father of the nation, in whom they took great confidence (Matt 3:9; John 8:33; Ex 3:6).

For those trusting Abraham, he was a man approved and commended by God for faith. For those trusting circumcision, Abraham was declared righteous before it (Rom 4:9-12). For those trusting Law, Abram was righteous 430 years before (Rom 4:13-16; Gal 3:17).

What did Abraham believe? God promised him a son and a multitudinous seed (Gen 15:6).

JLB, Did Abraham call forth faith in order to be justified and made righteous by God at this time?

Here is where I greatly differ from Arminians and Calvinists alike about justification, whom we find to be very similar on this doctrine, when we press them for definitions.

Arminians hold conditional justification – faith is the human condition for righteousness.

Calvinists hold instrumental justification – faith is the instrument receiving righteousness.

We deny both as being heretical notions, for our faith does not affect legal justification.

The text says God accepted Abraham’s faith and counted it as evidence for righteousness, which is how we understand it: our faith is the spiritual evidence and fruit of salvation.

The difference is significant – is legal justification conditional, or is it unconditional? Is faith the means of righteousness before God, or is it only the evidence of righteousness?

Abraham had believed God and his promises and trusted Him obediently long before this minor event (Gen 12:1-4; Heb 11:8; Gen 12:7,8; 13:4,14-18; 14:17-24).

If this event was the conditional or instrumental cause of Abraham’s justification, then he was a condemned pagan in his previous acts of worship, which God joyfully accepted!

Did Melchizedek bless Abram as a condemned sinner on his way to the lake of fire (Gen 14:18-20)? Before Abraham could get started believing, God had already accepted him (Gen 15:1)!

If this event was the conditional or instrumental cause of Abraham’s justification, then the shish-ka-bob javelin act of Phinehas was his condition or instrument (Ps 106:30-31)! Please answer.....

Is it an act of faith that justifies? A life of faith? Or only while you have faith? Or what?

Bottom line God appeared to Abraham and Abraham went out not knowing where he was going ~ still bottom line it is the word of Lord that causes us to have faith and increase in the same as we continue to believe. We just happen to have a complete word of God, so much more than they had, yet they had it as well.

 

[Studyman]

The Son who has always existed together with the Father before creation sharing the same glory together with the Father as per John 17:5 became a man, not the spirit or Holy Spirit.

Next fallacy

What fallacy preacher. Why won't your masters let you answer even one of my questions? Only a deceiver would promote the fallacy that God and His Son, the Holy One of Israel, who existed together before the world was, were Not a Holy Spirit.

 

[civic]

What fallacy preacher. Why won't your masters let you answer even one of my questions? Only a deceiver would promote the fallacy that God and His Son, the Holy One of Israel, who existed together before the world was, were Not a Holy Spirit.

Ahh there it is the spirit of antichrist at work which denies God has come in the flesh and remains in the flesh.

 

[DavidTree]

What fallacy preacher. Why won't your masters let you answer even one of my questions? Only a deceiver would promote the fallacy that God and His Son, the Holy One of Israel, who existed together before the world was, were Not a Holy Spirit.

ALL THREE are HOLY and ALL THREE are SPIRIT

 

[Red Baker]

@civic

The Son who has always existed together with the Father before creation sharing the same glory together with the Father as per John 17:5 became a man, not the spirit or Holy Spirit.

Greetings civic,

You are wrong with this statement, even though you do hold to the deity of Jesus Christ, but the eternal sonship doctrine is wrong, it is a heresy promoted by the Catholic church. The scriptures teach the incarnate Sonship, not the eternal sonship. That saying is a self contradictory statement. The eternal Sonship doctrine, basically is saying that Jesus had a beginning. I would not stop having fellowship over this doctrine, since many have truly never even consider the two positions on the Sonship of Jesus Christ As long as one believes that God was manifest in the flesh in the person of Jesus Christ, I can live with that, because there's good men on both side of this issue, men I highly respect, greater men than I could ever be. Later....More on this tomorrow.

Let me ask you a question: What do you mean with these words: "not the spirit or Holy Spirit." I'm not sure what you are saying.

 

[Studyman]

Ahh there it is the spirit of antichrist at work which denies God has come in the flesh and remains in the flesh.

Your foolishness and cleaver distractions notwithstanding, the Christ "of the Bible" is a Holy Spirit who existed with His Father, also a Holy Spirit, before the world began. This is undeniable Biblical Truth. According to what is actually written in Scriptures, this Spirit, as Prophesied, became a Flesh and blood mortal human being, in the person of Jesus, "After those days". A Prophesy that has been fulfilled by the arrival of the Prophesied Messiah. You can find this Truth of God in His Inspired Word, AKA, "the Holy Scriptures". I'm not sure "got.questions" or the "Southern Baptist Theological Seminary", or others religious schools of this world, is a reliable source "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works". Although this in a minority position. Paul teaches that the Holy Scriptures are trustworthy, therefore I post and attempt to engage in discussions about what the Bible actually says, and am not interested in competing religious philosophies of this world's religious system.

This man, the Jesus "of the bible", according to what is actually written in Scriptures, was murdered by the promoters of this world's religious system, ruled by the prince of this world, also a spirit, but not a Holy Spirit. His Father, a Holy Spirit, raised "this Jesus" from the dead, and gave HIM an immortal body which is required before a human can enter into God's Kingdom, according to Jesus and Paul's teaching. The deceiver preaches that he knows what this body is, claiming Jesus is still human flesh. But the Spirit of this Christ, was this deceiver coming from the foundation of the world, and in His Mercy prepared me for this deceiver, through the Holy Scriptures HE Inspired, by telling me that even the Disciples, who walked with Jesus, doesn't know what this Body that God gave to Jesus is. In this way a preacher's words can be made manifest as to whether or not they are "Wrought in God".

1 John 3: 1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon "us", that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it "doth not yet appear what we shall be": but we know that, "when he shall appear", we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that "hath this hope in him" purifieth himself, "even as" he is pure. 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

So when we hear a preacher, who has transformed himself into an apostle of Christ, a preacher who "Comes in Christ's Name", who calls Jesus Lord, Lord, that is "claiming to know" what Body Jesus was given, we can know for sure that this preacher, preaches a vision of his own heart, that the Jesus "of the bible" didn't send him, and that we should "Beware" and "Take heed" that we are not deceived by his teaching.

So Civic, I don't know who taught you these things, but I know it wasn't the Holy Spirit of Christ Inspired Holy Scriptures.

Therefore, you should consider "Coming out of" this religious philosophy you have adopted, Repent, turn to the God "of the Bible", and bring forth works worthy of resentence.

 

[Red Baker]

@Studyman

According to what is actually written in Scriptures, this Spirit, as Prophesied, became a Flesh and blood mortal human being, in the person of Jesus, "After those days"

That's not correct. God who is a Spirit, did not become flesh and blood that is impossible! God is a Spirit that lives in eternity, and that will never change, impossible.

The Holy Ghost/Spirit conceived a SON in TIME, and this SON by definition of being conceived by God ...... is GOD manifest in the flesh, the only God we shall ever see with our eyes. Jesus was God manifest in the flesh, but God was NOT Jesus Christ.