Does The Virgin Birth Matter?

[dwight92070]

The doctrine of the virgin birth teaches that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin. That is, when Mary conceived Jesus, she had never had sexual intercourse. Jesus’ birth, therefore, was truly miraculous.

Some progressive Christians would have us believe that it wouldn’t be a big deal if we discovered “Jesus had an earthly father named Larry.” So what is the big deal about the virgin birth? Why does it matter?

The Bible teaches the preexistence of the eternal Son of God. In Isaiah 9:6, the child who is “born” is also the son who is “given.” In like manner, Galatians 4:4 also teaches the preexistence and virgin birth of Christ: “God sent His Son, born of a woman.” The virgin birth is important because that was the means by which “the Word became flesh” (John 1:14). The incarnation is when the eternal Son of God took on human flesh; without losing any of His divine nature, He added a human nature. That miraculous, history-changing event took place in the Virgin Mary’s womb.

The virgin birth of Jesus is an example of God’s gracious work on our behalf. God took the initiative—Mary was not looking to become pregnant—it was all God’s idea. Joseph had no role in the conception—his body was not involved—so the power had to come from God. In a similar way, our salvation is based solely on God’s initiative and God’s power—we did not seek God, but He sought us; and we did nothing to earn our salvation, but we rely on God’s power. got?

I think you're reading Galatians 4:4 wrong.

"But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, ..."

There was no only begotten Son of God - until He was begotten. There was no Son of God, until He was "born of a woman."

Before that, He was the Word. John 1:1 In 1 John 1:2, John calls Him "the eternal life, which was with the Father ...", NOT the Son of God.

John 1:14 does NOT say "the Son of God" became flesh. It says "the Word became flesh".

There it is - right there. He was "the Word" before He became flesh, NOT the Son of God. When He became flesh, it was ONLY then that Gabriel said "the holy thing begotten shall be called the Son of God."

God could not send forth someone who had not been born yet.

 

[DavidTree]

I think you're reading Galatians 4:4 wrong.

"But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, ..."

There was no only begotten Son of God - until He was begotten. There was no Son of God, until He was "born of a woman."

Before that, He was the Word. John 1:1 In 1 John 1:2, John calls Him "the eternal life, which was with the Father ...", NOT the Son of God.

John 1:14 does NOT say "the Son of God" became flesh. It says "the Word became flesh".

There it is - right there. He was "the Word" before He became flesh, NOT the Son of God. When He became flesh, it was ONLY then that Gabriel said "the holy thing begotten shall be called the Son of God."

God could not send forth someone who had not been born yet.

God could not send forth someone who had not been born yet.

Everything you said is True except for the last statement.

Since the Word is One of the Persons who consist of Elohim from teh Beginning.

 

[dwight92070]

The doctrine of the virgin birth teaches that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin. That is, when Mary conceived Jesus, she had never had sexual intercourse. Jesus’ birth, therefore, was truly miraculous.

Some progressive Christians would have us believe that it wouldn’t be a big deal if we discovered “Jesus had an earthly father named Larry.” So what is the big deal about the virgin birth? Why does it matter?

The Bible teaches the preexistence of the eternal Son of God. In Isaiah 9:6, the child who is “born” is also the son who is “given.” In like manner, Galatians 4:4 also teaches the preexistence and virgin birth of Christ: “God sent His Son, born of a woman.” The virgin birth is important because that was the means by which “the Word became flesh” (John 1:14). The incarnation is when the eternal Son of God took on human flesh; without losing any of His divine nature, He added a human nature. That miraculous, history-changing event took place in the Virgin Mary’s womb.

The virgin birth of Jesus is an example of God’s gracious work on our behalf. God took the initiative—Mary was not looking to become pregnant—it was all God’s idea. Joseph had no role in the conception—his body was not involved—so the power had to come from God. In a similar way, our salvation is based solely on God’s initiative and God’s power—we did not seek God, but He sought us; and we did nothing to earn our salvation, but we rely on God’s power. got?

Everything you said is True except for the last statement.

Since the Word is One of the Persons who consist of Elohim from teh Beginning.

Please allow me to clarify what I meant.
I said: God could not send forth someone who had not been born yet.

What I meant was that God could not send forth that Holy child in Mary's womb into the world until the childbirth took place. That is when He was "begotten" and that is when He was first called "The only begotten Son of God" John 1:14 and Luke 1:35.

When the Scripture says God sent forth His Son, it has at least two possible meanings:
1. God sent forth His Son from heaven into Mary's womb (which is where some say the Son pre-existed - I disagree) or
2. God sent forth His Son (having just been born and 1st called The Son) from Mary's womb into the earth.

I believe Galatians 4:4 is referring to the 2nd meaning. That is, God sent forth His Son, who had just been born, into the world, so that He might redeem those who were under the Law. Prior to His birth, He was called The Word, or John called Him The Eternal Life which was with the Father.

 

[DavidTree]

Please allow me to clarify what I meant.
I said: God could not send forth someone who had not been born yet.

What I meant was that God could not send forth that Holy child in Mary's womb into the world until the childbirth took place. That is when He was "begotten" and that is when He was first called "The only begotten Son of God" John 1:14 and Luke 1:35.

When the Scripture says God sent forth His Son, it has at least two possible meanings:
1. God sent forth His Son from heaven into Mary's womb (which is where some say the Son pre-existed - I disagree) or
2. God sent forth His Son (having just been born and 1st called The Son) from Mary's womb into the earth.

I believe Galatians 4:4 is referring to the 2nd meaning. That is, God sent forth His Son, who had just been born, into the world, so that He might redeem those who were under the Law. Prior to His birth, He was called The Word, or John called Him The Eternal Life which was with the Father.

The Scripture Delares only this:
1. God sent forth His Son from heaven into Mary's womb

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

The doctrine of the virgin birth teaches that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin. That is, when Mary conceived Jesus, she had never had sexual intercourse. Jesus’ birth, therefore, was truly miraculous.

Some progressive Christians would have us believe that it wouldn’t be a big deal if we discovered “Jesus had an earthly father named Larry.” So what is the big deal about the virgin birth? Why does it matter?

The Bible teaches the preexistence of the eternal Son of God. In Isaiah 9:6, the child who is “born” is also the son who is “given.” In like manner, Galatians 4:4 also teaches the preexistence and virgin birth of Christ: “God sent His Son, born of a woman.” The virgin birth is important because that was the means by which “the Word became flesh” (John 1:14). The incarnation is when the eternal Son of God took on human flesh; without losing any of His divine nature, He added a human nature. That miraculous, history-changing event took place in the Virgin Mary’s womb.

The virgin birth of Jesus is an example of God’s gracious work on our behalf. God took the initiative—Mary was not looking to become pregnant—it was all God’s idea. Joseph had no role in the conception—his body was not involved—so the power had to come from God. In a similar way, our salvation is based solely on God’s initiative and God’s power—we did not seek God, but He sought us; and we did nothing to earn our salvation, but we rely on God’s power. got?

Yes

otherwise he would have been a son of Adam..

 

[dwight92070]

I think this topic could also be called: "Does the Incarnation Matter?" Of course the naysayers will complain that "incarnation" is not in the Bible, but of course the concept is.

The Scripture Delares only this:
1. God sent forth His Son from heaven into Mary's womb

Please give me a verse on that. Galatians 4:4 could go either way. Luke 1:35 Gabriel makes is very clear that Jesus was not called the Son of God until after He was born. " ... for that reason the holy thing begotten (born) shall be called (future tense) the Son of God." Therefore when God sent His Son, that would mean He sent Him after He was born. We can say that the spirit of Jesus must have been the spirit of the Word of God, because Jesus said a couple of times that He pre-existed.

 

[DavidTree]

I think this topic could also be called: "Does the Incarnation Matter?" Of course the naysayers will complain that "incarnation" is not in the Bible, but of course the concept is.

Please give me a verse on that. Galatians 4:4 could go either way. Luke 1:35 Gabriel makes is very clear that Jesus was not called the Son of God until after He was born. " ... for that reason the holy thing begotten (born) shall be called (future tense) the Son of God." Therefore when God sent His Son, that would mean He sent Him after He was born. We can say that the spirit of Jesus must have been the spirit of the Word of God, because Jesus said a couple of times that He pre-existed.

Gabriel makes is very clear that Jesus was not called the Son of God until after He was born.

i AGREE 1,000% = Absolute TRUTH

 

[DavidTree]

The doctrine of the virgin birth teaches that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin. That is, when Mary conceived Jesus, she had never had sexual intercourse. Jesus’ birth, therefore, was truly miraculous.

Some progressive Christians would have us believe that it wouldn’t be a big deal if we discovered “Jesus had an earthly father named Larry.” So what is the big deal about the virgin birth? Why does it matter?

The Bible teaches the preexistence of the eternal Son of God. In Isaiah 9:6, the child who is “born” is also the son who is “given.” In like manner, Galatians 4:4 also teaches the preexistence and virgin birth of Christ: “God sent His Son, born of a woman.” The virgin birth is important because that was the means by which “the Word became flesh” (John 1:14). The incarnation is when the eternal Son of God took on human flesh; without losing any of His divine nature, He added a human nature. That miraculous, history-changing event took place in the Virgin Mary’s womb.

The virgin birth of Jesus is an example of God’s gracious work on our behalf. God took the initiative—Mary was not looking to become pregnant—it was all God’s idea. Joseph had no role in the conception—his body was not involved—so the power had to come from God. In a similar way, our salvation is based solely on God’s initiative and God’s power—we did not seek God, but He sought us; and we did nothing to earn our salvation, but we rely on God’s power. got?

The Bible teaches the preexistence of the eternal Son of God.

There doe snot exist a single scripture that declares this.

The Bible teaches the Pre-Existence of "the Word that was God" = Genesis chapter 1 & John chapter 1

 

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the virgin our eden mother is in the other reality...
not on this earth.

the covenant has always been to return His souls to eden, to restore eden and our eden mother.