Do Catholics Pray to Mary?

[DavidTree]

Jesus also said that we should hate our mother and our father. (Luke 14:26).
Do you think that's what He really meant?

@Jay included here

This is EXCELLENT = Thank You @GodsGrace for you just validated Post #302 and confirmed Matt 12:46-50

Now great multitudes went with Him. And He turned and said to them, “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.

Any thoughts @Jay ???

 

[Jay]

AMEN AMEN AMEN


JESUS is the One who said HE has many brothers, sisters and mothers = i believe His word
JESUS also said that the woman by whom God prepared a body for the Word is on the same as everyone who believes.



ABSOLUTELY TRUE

And this does not negate His words = Matt 12:
For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”

Have either of you found a single Scripture and/or commandment to pray to Mary from the LORD or the Apostles???

I have no need or desire to pray to Mary. I pray and ask the Holy Spirit to guide and direct me. I also pray to the other two members of the God Head.

We as believers are one body. So yes

For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”

But their is only one Father.

 

[Jay]

@Jay included here

This is EXCELLENT = Thank You @GodsGrace for you just validated Post #302 and confirmed Matt 12:46-50

Now great multitudes went with Him. And He turned and said to them, “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.

Any thoughts @Jay ???

In Luke 14:26, Jesus states that to be His disciple, one must "hate" their family and even their own life. This term "hate" is understood as a Semitic hyperbole, meaning to "love less" or "to prioritize less". The verse emphasizes that discipleship requires making Jesus the highest priority, even above loved ones. It challenges followers to reflect on their values and relationships, encouraging transformative love and courage in adversity.

 

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[JLB]

Are we still going to be human beings in heaven? I what form.

Scripture, as we have seen, shows that no human being except Jesus Christ has ever entered heaven, and that remains so today.
Scripture is clear that there is no flesh and blood in heaven, and that all of our bodies there are spiritual bodies.

1 Corinthians 15:50 KJV — Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Romans 14:17 KJV — For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 15:44 KJV — It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Christian theology states that people who have died and are now with God in heaven.Specifically, those who have trusted in Jesus Christ for salvation will be with Him there, along with all who have died in Christ. Some Christians believe that people in heaven are awake and conscious, able to pray for us and be aware of us.
Yes, that is a core belief within many Christian theological traditions. Specifically, it is a common understanding that upon death, believers in Jesus Christ are believed to be immediately present with the Lord in heaven, in a state of conscious existence until the final resurrection. This understanding is supported by scripture passages such as 2 Corinthians 5:8, which says that "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord".

Jesus taught us to pray to our Father in heaven, in His name.

Praying to objects or angels or demons or people is all idolatry.


Please repent of this wicked evil practice while you can.


But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Revelation 21:8

 

[DavidTree]

In Luke 14:26, Jesus states that to be His disciple, one must "hate" their family and even their own life. This term "hate" is understood as a Semitic hyperbole, meaning to "love less" or "to prioritize less". The verse emphasizes that discipleship requires making Jesus the highest priority, even above loved ones. It challenges followers to reflect on their values and relationships, encouraging transformative love and courage in adversity.

Thank you for your support on the point of Truth that the Gospel and the NT Scriptures declare to us
New Birth, Salvation, REST, Sanctification, Holy Spirit, Intercessor, Apostle & High Priest = thru the Lord Jesus Christ

 

[GodsGrace]

AMEN AMEN AMEN


JESUS is the One who said HE has many brothers, sisters and mothers = i believe His word
JESUS also said that the woman by whom God prepared a body for the Word is on the same as everyone who believes.



ABSOLUTELY TRUE

And this does not negate His words = Matt 12:46-50
For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”

Have either of you found a single Scripture and/or commandment to pray to Mary from the LORD or the Apostles???

I didn't say we should pray to saints.

I'm stating that you're incorrectly understanding scripture.
But, quite honestly, it's not a salvific issue so I really will not repeat what I've already stated to you.
If you want to believe that Jesus has many mothers...go ahead.

I believe He had ONE,,,and her name is Mary.

 

[GodsGrace]

@Jay included here

This is EXCELLENT = Thank You @GodsGrace for you just validated Post #302 and confirmed Matt 12:46-50

Now great multitudes went with Him. And He turned and said to them, “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.

Any thoughts @Jay ???

@Jay has correctly responded in his post no. 323.
I agree with his understanding of the verse in question. (Luke 14:26).

 

[synergy]

AMEN AMEN AMEN


JESUS is the One who said HE has many brothers, sisters and mothers = i believe His word
JESUS also said that the woman by whom God prepared a body for the Word is on the same as everyone who believes.



ABSOLUTELY TRUE

And this does not negate His words = Matt 12:46-50
For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”

Have either of you found a single Scripture and/or commandment to pray to Mary from the LORD or the Apostles???

If we looked at Christ's Birth Records/Certificate, what name do you think we would see for Christ's Mother?

 

[DavidTree]

If we looked at Christ's Birth Records/Certificate, what name do you think we would see for Christ's Mother?

@GodsGrace
The Lord Jesus Christ has a question for both of you: "Who is My mother?"

While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him.
Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”

But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?”

God's ANSWER
And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”

New Birth, Salvation, REST, Sanctification, Holy Spirit, Intercessor, Apostle & High Priest = only thru the Lord Jesus Christ

 

[synergy]

@GodsGrace
The Lord Jesus Christ has a question for both of you: "Who is My mother?"

While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him.
Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”

But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?”

God's ANSWER
And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”

New Birth, Salvation, REST, Sanctification, Holy Spirit, Intercessor, Apostle & High Priest = only thru the Lord Jesus Christ

I'm talking about his Birth Certificate, not about the Bible. Can you answer my question? If you can't just say so and we'll move on.

 

[DavidTree]

I'm talking about his Birth Certificate, not about the Bible.

"not about the Bible"

If it is not about the Bible - God's Word - the Holy Scriptures of Truth = then the Truth will elude you.

One last hope for your understanding to be set free by how the LORD views Mary = Luke 11:27-28

And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him,
“Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”

But Jesus said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”

 

[synergy]

If it is not about the Bible - God's Word - the Holy Scriptures of Truth = then the Truth will elude you.

One last hope for your understanding to be set free by how the LORD views Mary = Luke 11:27-28

And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him,
“Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”

But Jesus said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”

Looks like you can't answer the question. Here is the answer:

(Matt 1:16) And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ.

This is the official genealogy of Jesus as set forth by Matthew. Only Mary is named of whom was born Jesus.

One last hope for your understanding to be set free by how the LORD views Mary (Matt 1:16).

 

[GodsGrace]

@GodsGrace
The Lord Jesus Christ has a question for both of you: "Who is My mother?"

While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him.
Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”

But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?”

God's ANSWER
And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”

New Birth, Salvation, REST, Sanctification, Holy Spirit, Intercessor, Apostle & High Priest = only thru the Lord Jesus Christ

Oh for goodness sake David....
Do I really need to answer this AGAIN??

I said: If you want to believe that Jesus had many mothers....go right ahead.

 

[DavidTree]

Looks like you can't answer the question. Here is the answer:

(Matt 1:16) And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ.

This is the official genealogy of Jesus as set forth by Matthew. Only Mary is named of whom was born Jesus.

One last hope for your understanding to be set free by how the LORD views Mary (Matt 1:16).

Matthew ch1 gives the genealogical record of whom God chose to prepare the body for His SON to dwell in.

When someone views Mary as the "mother of God" they lose the View from Heaven at the Right Hand of God.

There is no mention of Mary in Heaven nor in the Book of Revelation nor in the Apostles writings.

Our Salvation, worship, adoration and need for a Intercessor before God is only to be to the Lord Jesus Christ

When you look outside the Holy Scriptures for Truth, you will find many religious offerings to fill your belly.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

To you perhaps. But your the minority.


Roman Catholic Dogma
In 1950 Pope Pius XII proclaimed that the Assumption of the Virgin was an official dogma of the Roman Catholic Church, confirming the preexisting belief of many Catholics and in agreement with the beliefs of some Eastern Orthodox Christians. Pelikan notes that this proclamation “caused an uproar among Protestant theologians and clergy, both over its doctrinal content and over its dogmatic authority” at a time when ecumenical relations between Protestants and Roman Catholics were producing signs of healing (Pelikan, Mary Through the Centuries, 204). The Roman Catholic Church has not formally stated whether Mary died before her assumption.


Eastern Orthodox Tradition
The tradition of the Eastern Orthodox feast of the Dormition of the Theotokos roughly corresponds to the Catholic feast of the Assumption. Like the Catholic feast, it is celebrated on August 15 and commemorates the end of Mary’s earthly life. The Orthodox feast focuses on Mary’s “falling asleep” (i.e., natural death), but hymns for the feast also celebrate that she was resurrected and taken up bodily to heaven.

So as you see can if you look at history of the Church it's not a fantasy.

Correction: The "History of the Catholic RELIGIOUS SYSTEM". Denominational systems can, and do possess MANY "FANTASIES" which mean NOTHING regardless of their Antiquity, or the size of the religious system. WHat we DO KNOW is that Mary (The REAL ONE) was a normal Jewish gal, called to perform a vastly important and difficult ministry to humanity as a whole, and carried it out well along with her husband, and natural family. ANd then she got OLD and died like we all will. The rest of it is nothing but religious HERESY taught by Catholics for their own purpo$e$.

 

[GodsGrace]

Correction: The "History of the Catholic RELIGIOUS SYSTEM". Denominational systems can, and do possess MANY "FANTASIES" which mean NOTHING regardless of their Antiquity, or the size of the religious system. WHat we DO KNOW is that Mary (The REAL ONE) was a normal Jewish gal, called to perform a vastly important and difficult ministry to humanity as a whole, and carried it out well along with her husband, and natural family. ANd then she got OLD and died like we all will. The rest of it is nothing but religious HERESY taught by Catholics for their own purpo$e$.

Funny Bob.

In the early church...when Mary was being proclaimed as a holy person, beyond what we understand to be holy today....
believers were going to their death...martyrdom...for being Christ believers.

Do you think the church was involved in getting a lot of money AT THAT TIME?
(it did happen hundreds of years later).

Why do we Protestants REFUSE to acknowledge that Mary was a very special person?

We seem to love Abraham enough.
Mary carried the Savior in her bossom...
does she not deserve the same love and honor as we give to Abraham?

This seems very wrong to me.

YOU have a mother.
Is she just another woman?
How much more the mother of Jesus?

 

[JLB]

We seem to love Abraham enough.
Mary carried the Savior in her bossom...
does she not deserve the same love and honor as we give to Abraham?

This seems very wrong to me.

YOU have a mother.
Is she just another woman?
How much more the mother of Jesus?

I believe we should honor them that honor is due.

I honor Abraham, and also I honor Mary for she was special in that she was the Lord’s mother.

We have no idea what she and Joseph went through with our Lord in His younger years.


Mary is surely blessed.


However, I believe that Catholicism has crossed the line with their teachings concerning her.


Immaculate Conception comes to mind; teaching that Mary was born sinless and lived a sinless life.

That’s complete heresy.

 

[GodsGrace]

I believe we should honor them that honor is due.

I honor Abraham, and also I honor Mary for she was special in that she was the Lord’s mother.

We have no idea what she and Joseph went through with our Lord in His younger years.


Mary is surely blessed.


However, I believe that Catholicism has crossed the line with their teachings concerning her.


Immaculate Conception comes to mind; teaching that Mary was born sinless and lived a sinless life.

That’s complete heresy.

Personally, I have a problem with the Ascension.
I can understand the Immac Concept....
I DO believe that there is too much attention given to Mary in the CC.
Whether or not Jesus had brothers is not something I think about too much..
I don't know what difference it makes except that the CC wants to keep Jesus the only
Son so Mary could remain untouched by man.

I'm not here to answer for the CC....
I just wish there was more honor for Mary in Protestantism...
I just don't see it.

I agree that a line has been crossed.

 

[synergy]

Matthew ch1 gives the genealogical record of whom God chose to prepare the body for His SON to dwell in.

Thank you for agreeing with me. So then Jesus' genealogical records has Mary as his mother/meter. That's all I needed to know.

When someone views Mary as the "mother of God" they lose the View from Heaven at the Right Hand of God.

One definitely loses his view from Heaven if he doesn't acknowledge Jesus as God.

There is no mention of Mary in Heaven nor in the Book of Revelation nor in the Apostles writings.

Our Salvation, worship, adoration and need for a Intercessor before God is only to be to the Lord Jesus Christ

You are flat out denying Rev 5:8 where the 24 Elders are offering prayers of the saints to God.

“...the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb... and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.” (Rev 5: 8).

These verses show heavenly figures as representing the saints in heaven interceding on behalf of those on earth. This shows that there is intercessions by saints in heaven for our prayers

When you look outside the Holy Scriptures for Truth, you will find many religious offerings to fill your belly.

If you flat out deny Bible verses then you will find enough rejections of the Bible to fill your belly.