Dishonoring the bodily sacrifice of Jesus Christ in Calvinism

[brightfame52]

The question was

So where is your verse which specifically states God redeems men from unbelief?

I do not see it

Sinners are redeemed from all iniquity/disobedience and made into believers, obedient Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Unbelief is iniquity

The word redeem here is the greek word lytroō and one of its features :

1. to release on receipt of ransom
2. to redeem, liberate by payment of ransom
   1. to liberate
   2. to cause to be released to one's self by payment of a ransom
   3. to redeem
   4. to deliver: from evils of every kind, internal and external

It delivers those for whom Christ died from internal evils, like unbelief, it liberates

 

[TomL]

Sinners are redeemed from all iniquity/disobedience and made into believers, obedient Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Unbelief is iniquity

The word redeem here is the greek word lytroō and one of its features :

1. to release on receipt of ransom
2. to redeem, liberate by payment of ransom
   1. to liberate
   2. to cause to be released to one's self by payment of a ransom
   3. to redeem
   4. to deliver: from evils of every kind, internal and external

It delivers those for whom Christ died from internal evils, like unbelief, it liberates

The question was

So where is your verse which specifically states God redeems men from unbelief?

I do not see it

 

[brightfame52]

The question was

So where is your verse which specifically states God redeems men from unbelief?

I do not see it

Sinners are redeemed from all iniquity/disobedience and made into believers, obedient Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Unbelief is iniquity

The word redeem here is the greek word lytroō and one of its features :

1. to release on receipt of ransom
2. to redeem, liberate by payment of ransom
   1. to liberate
   2. to cause to be released to one's self by payment of a ransom
   3. to redeem
   4. to deliver: from evils of every kind, internal and external

It delivers those for whom Christ died from internal evils, like unbelief, it liberates

 

[TomL]

Sinners are redeemed from all iniquity/disobedience and made into believers, obedient Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Unbelief is iniquity

The word redeem here is the greek word lytroō and one of its features :

1. to release on receipt of ransom
2. to redeem, liberate by payment of ransom
   1. to liberate
   2. to cause to be released to one's self by payment of a ransom
   3. to redeem
   4. to deliver: from evils of every kind, internal and external

It delivers those for whom Christ died from internal evils, like unbelief, it liberates

I guess you are unable to provide it

The question was

So where is your verse which specifically states God redeems men from unbelief?

and simply jawbone instead

 

[brightfame52]

I guess you are unable to provide it



and simply jawbone instead

Sinners are redeemed from all iniquity/disobedience and made into believers, obedient Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Unbelief is iniquity

The word redeem here is the greek word lytroō and one of its features :

1. to release on receipt of ransom
2. to redeem, liberate by payment of ransom
   1. to liberate
   2. to cause to be released to one's self by payment of a ransom
   3. to redeem
   4. to deliver: from evils of every kind, internal and external

It delivers those for whom Christ died from internal evils, like unbelief, it liberates

 

[civic]

Sinners are redeemed from all iniquity/disobedience and made into believers, obedient Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Unbelief is iniquity

The word redeem here is the greek word lytroō and one of its features :

1. to release on receipt of ransom
2. to redeem, liberate by payment of ransom
   1. to liberate
   2. to cause to be released to one's self by payment of a ransom
   3. to redeem
   4. to deliver: from evils of every kind, internal and external

It delivers those for whom Christ died from internal evils, like unbelief, it liberates

God obeys for you ?

 

[TomL]

Sinners are redeemed from all iniquity/disobedience and made into believers, obedient Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Unbelief is iniquity

The word redeem here is the greek word lytroō and one of its features :

1. to release on receipt of ransom
2. to redeem, liberate by payment of ransom
   1. to liberate
   2. to cause to be released to one's self by payment of a ransom
   3. to redeem
   4. to deliver: from evils of every kind, internal and external

It delivers those for whom Christ died from internal evils, like unbelief, it liberates

The question was

So where is your verse which specifically states God redeems men from unbelief?

 

[brightfame52]

God obeys for you ?

Sinners are redeemed from all iniquity/disobedience and made into believers, obedient Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Unbelief is iniquity

The word redeem here is the greek word lytroō and one of its features :

1. to release on receipt of ransom
2. to redeem, liberate by payment of ransom
   1. to liberate
   2. to cause to be released to one's self by payment of a ransom
   3. to redeem
   4. to deliver: from evils of every kind, internal and external

It delivers those for whom Christ died from internal evils, like unbelief, it liberates

 

[brightfame52]

The question was

So where is your verse which specifically states God redeems men from unbelief?

Sinners are redeemed from all iniquity/disobedience and made into believers, obedient Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Unbelief is iniquity

The word redeem here is the greek word lytroō and one of its features :

1. to release on receipt of ransom
2. to redeem, liberate by payment of ransom
   1. to liberate
   2. to cause to be released to one's self by payment of a ransom
   3. to redeem
   4. to deliver: from evils of every kind, internal and external

It delivers those for whom Christ died from internal evils, like unbelief, it liberates

 

[TomL]

Sinners are redeemed from all iniquity/disobedience and made into believers, obedient Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Unbelief is iniquity

The word redeem here is the greek word lytroō and one of its features :

1. to release on receipt of ransom
2. to redeem, liberate by payment of ransom
   1. to liberate
   2. to cause to be released to one's self by payment of a ransom
   3. to redeem
   4. to deliver: from evils of every kind, internal and external

It delivers those for whom Christ died from internal evils, like unbelief, it liberates

The question remains

So where is your verse which specifically states God redeems men from unbelief?

 

[brightfame52]

The question remains

So where is your verse which specifically states God redeems men from unbelief?

Sinners are redeemed from all iniquity/disobedience and made into believers, obedient Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Unbelief is iniquity

The word redeem here is the greek word lytroō and one of its features :

1. to release on receipt of ransom
2. to redeem, liberate by payment of ransom
   1. to liberate
   2. to cause to be released to one's self by payment of a ransom
   3. to redeem
   4. to deliver: from evils of every kind, internal and external

It delivers those for whom Christ died from internal evils, like unbelief, it liberates

 

[TomL]

Sinners are redeemed from all iniquity/disobedience and made into believers, obedient Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Unbelief is iniquity

The word redeem here is the greek word lytroō and one of its features :

1. to release on receipt of ransom
2. to redeem, liberate by payment of ransom
   1. to liberate
   2. to cause to be released to one's self by payment of a ransom
   3. to redeem
   4. to deliver: from evils of every kind, internal and external

It delivers those for whom Christ died from internal evils, like unbelief, it liberates

Why can't you supply what was asked?


So where is your verse which specifically states God redeems men from unbelief?

 

[Rockson]

So where is your verse which specifically states God redeems men from unbelief?

Calvinists just don't think things through. If God had to redeem men from unbelief to get them out of it then why does he ask over, and over and over again with scriptures like Matt 14:31 "Oh you of little faith! Why did you doubt?"

Or a scripture like, "Why are you troubled? Why do doubts arise in your hearts? Lk 24:38

Why didn't Jesus just say to them, "Oh yeah well I know why you have little faith and I know why doubt is a apart of your life! You see I just haven't redeemed you from them yet. Never, ever did Jesus say such a thing. He asked them for he knew they could choose what way of thinking they were going to embrace. Saying otherwise has Jesus making meaningless idle word statements.

 

[TomL]

Calvinists just don't think things through. If God had to redeem men from unbelief to get them out of it then why does he ask over, and over and over again with scriptures like Matt 14:31 "Oh you of little faith! Why did you doubt?"

Or a scripture like, "Why are you troubled? Why do doubts arise in your hearts? Lk 24:38

Why didn't Jesus just say to them, "Oh yeah well I know why you have little faith and I know why doubt is a apart of your life! You see I just haven't redeemed you from them yet. Never, ever did Jesus say such a thing. He asked them for he knew they could choose what way of thinking they were going to embrace. Saying otherwise has Jesus making meaningless idle word statements.

Context is a victim in Calvinism

Christ castigated little faith and marveled and lauded great faith

This would make no sense if Calvinism were true

 

[brightfame52]

Why can't you supply what was asked?


So where is your verse which specifically states God redeems men from unbelief?

It doesnt say unbelief specifically, but its included in iniquity, He redeems from all iniquity, meaning to include unbelief or disobedience.

 

[TomL]

It doesnt say unbelief specifically, but its included in iniquity, He redeems from all iniquity, meaning to include unbelief or disobedience.

Oh so you assume it.

Thanks for the confession

 

[brightfame52]

Oh so you assume it.

Thanks for the confession

It doesnt say unbelief specifically, but its included in iniquity, He redeems from all iniquity, meaning to include unbelief or disobedience.

 

[TomL]

It doesnt say unbelief specifically, but its included in iniquity, He redeems from all iniquity, meaning to include unbelief or disobedience.

Again so you just assume it

much like you assume a great deal of your theology

 

[brightfame52]

Again so you just assume it

much like you assume a great deal of your theology

It doesnt say unbelief specifically, but its included in iniquity, He redeems from all iniquity, meaning to include unbelief or disobedience.

 

[TomL]

It doesnt say unbelief specifically, but its included in iniquity, He redeems from all iniquity, meaning to include unbelief or disobedience.

Again you assume that contrary to scripture

Romans 3:21–26 (KJV 1900) — 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.