Dishonoring the bodily sacrifice of Jesus Christ in Calvinism

[TomL]

The us are believers, but they were redeemed from unbelief, disobedience, thats why they become believers. If a unbeliever never becomes a believer/obeys its because Christ didn't die for them and redeem them from unbelief. One can believe only if they have been redeemed.

Sorry the bible never speaks of redemption from unbelief

Hebrews 9:15 (KJV 1900) — 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

but it does of sin - transgression

You make up your own scriptures

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry the bible never speaks of redemption from unbelief

Hebrews 9:15 (KJV 1900) — 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

but it does of sin - transgression

You make up your own scriptures

The us in Titus 2:14 are believers, but they were redeemed from unbelief, disobedience, that's why they become believers. If a unbeliever never becomes a believer/obeys its because Christ didn't die for them and redeem them from unbelief. One can believe only if they have been redeemed.

 

[Rockson]

The us in Titus 2:14 are believers, but they were redeemed from unbelief, disobedience, that's why they become believers. If a unbeliever never becomes a believer/obeys its because Christ didn't die for them and redeem them from unbelief. One can believe only if they have been redeemed.

Mark 16 and other verses state whosoever believes....will be saved! It does not say you're saved before believing. To be redeemed is to have had salvation come into manifestation by experience. It's believe FIRST and then one can claim to be redeemed.

To redeem something means,

To pay off or clear a debt or obligation.

Ones' debt of sin is NOT cleared off until after one has believed. You really should have much fear is blatantly seeking to twist this most important and crucial teaching from the Lord.

 

[TomL]

The us in Titus 2:14 are believers, but they were redeemed from unbelief, disobedience, that's why they become believers. If a unbeliever never becomes a believer/obeys its because Christ didn't die for them and redeem them from unbelief. One can believe only if they have been redeemed.

Sorry once again the bible does not speak of redemption from unbelief

It does of transgression, sin

Hebrews 9:15 (KJV 1900) — 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

You continue inventing scripture

 

[brightfame52]

Mark 16 and other verses state whosoever believes....will be saved! It does not say you're saved before believing. To be redeemed is to have had salvation come into manifestation by experience. It's believe FIRST and then one can claim to be redeemed.

To redeem something means,

To pay off or clear a debt or obligation.

Ones' debt of sin is NOT cleared off until after one has believed. You really should have much fear is blatantly seeking to twist this most important and crucial teaching from the Lord.

The us in Titus 2:14 are believers, but they were redeemed from unbelief, disobedience, that's why they become believers. If a unbeliever never becomes a believer/obeys its because Christ didn't die for them and redeem them from unbelief. One can believe only if they have been redeemed.

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry once again the bible does not speak of redemption from unbelief

It does of transgression, sin

Hebrews 9:15 (KJV 1900) — 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

You continue inventing scripture

The us in Titus 2:14 are believers, but they were redeemed from unbelief, disobedience, that's why they become believers. If a unbeliever never becomes a believer/obeys its because Christ didn't die for them and redeem them from unbelief. One can believe only if they have been redeemed.

 

[civic]

Mark 16 and other verses state whosoever believes....will be saved! It does not say you're saved before believing. To be redeemed is to have had salvation come into manifestation by experience. It's believe FIRST and then one can claim to be redeemed.

To redeem something means,

To pay off or clear a debt or obligation.

Ones' debt of sin is NOT cleared off until after one has believed. You really should have much fear is blatantly seeking to twist this most important and crucial teaching from the Lord.

Yep

 

[TomL]

The us in Titus 2:14 are believers, but they were redeemed from unbelief, disobedience, that's why they become believers. If a unbeliever never becomes a believer/obeys its because Christ didn't die for them and redeem them from unbelief. One can believe only if they have been redeemed.

As always you ignore arguments and simply repeat yourself

 

[brightfame52]

As always you ignore arguments and simply repeat yourself

The us in Titus 2:14 are believers, but they were redeemed from unbelief, disobedience, that's why they become believers. If a unbeliever never becomes a believer/obeys its because Christ didn't die for them and redeem them from unbelief. One can believe only if they have been redeemed.

 

[Behold]

The us in Titus 2:14 are believers, but they were redeemed from unbelief

The BELIEVER has turned from UNBELIEF.. (repented).

THEY do that...(Free Will) . as that is what God requires of YOU.

Its "all who believe".,. not "all who are made to believe".

 

[brightfame52]

The BELIEVER has turned from UNBELIEF.. (repented).

THEY do that...(Free Will) . as that is what God requires of YOU.

Its "all who believe".,. not "all who are made to believe".

The us in Titus 2:14 are believers, but they were redeemed from unbelief to believers

 

[TomL]

The us in Titus 2:14 are believers, but they were redeemed from unbelief to believers

Not stated in the text or anywhere in the bible

Titus 2:14 (ESV) — 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.

 

[brightfame52]

Not stated in the text or anywhere in the bible

Titus 2:14 (ESV) — 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.

The us in Titus 2:14 are believers, but they were redeemed from unbelief to believers, and made zealous of good works, which presupposes Faith has been given

 

[TomL]

The us in Titus 2:14 are believers, but they were redeemed from unbelief to believers, and made zealous of good works, which presupposes Faith has been given

And believers are redeemed from lawlessness

Not unbelievers from unbelief

 

[brightfame52]

And believers are redeemed from lawlessness

Not unbelievers from unbelief

The us in Titus 2:14 are believers, but they were sinners redeemed from unbelief to believers, and made zealous of good works, which presupposes Faith has been given

 

[Behold]

The us in Titus 2:14 are believers, but they were sinners redeemed from unbelief to believers,

They were not made to believe.
They were shown the revelation, of the Truth that Jesus is their Salvation, and they need Him.

That is "FAITH comes by hearing"..

They BELIEVED the Gospel, after they HEARD it..... or watched it.

They were not born again to then believe.

 

[brightfame52]

They were not made to believe.
They were shown the revelation, of the Truth that Jesus is their Salvation, and they need Him.

That is "FAITH comes by hearing"..

They BELIEVED the Gospel, after they HEARD it..... or watched it.

They were not born again to then believe.

The us in Titus 2:14 are believers, but they were sinners redeemed from unbelief to believers,

 

[Behold]

The us in Titus 2:14 are believers,

Everyone is an unbeliever, before they believe.

Paul
You.
Me.
The Pope.
Mary

See, we are all "mind blinded by the devil, lest the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ would shine into us"

Why does it?

A.) "FAITH comes by Hearing".... the Gospel. or watching it.

And once YOU place YOUR Faith in Christ, then GOD sees IN YOUR HEART = YOUR FAITH in Christ that HE Requires OF YOU.... and then He does this..

"Faith is COUNTED (by God) as (Christ's) Righteousness"...

This is referred to as "imputed righteousness", and you can't have that before you Gift God your Faith in Christ.

And that FAITH is YOURS.... as God counts YOUR FAITH.......not His.

 

[TomL]

The us in Titus 2:14 are believers, but they were sinners redeemed from unbelief to believers, and made zealous of good works, which presupposes Faith has been given

Nope they were believers redeemed from lawlessness

Get it right

 

[brightfame52]

Everyone is an unbeliever, before they believe.

Paul
You.
Me.
The Pope.
Mary

See, we are all "mind blinded by the devil, lest the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ would shine into us"

Why does it?

A.) "FAITH comes by Hearing".... the Gospel. or watching it.

And once YOU place YOUR Faith in Christ, then GOD sees IN YOUR HEART = YOUR FAITH in Christ that HE Requires OF YOU.... and then He does this..

"Faith is COUNTED (by God) as (Christ's) Righteousness"...

This is referred to as "imputed righteousness", and you can't have that before you Gift God your Faith in Christ.

And that FAITH is YOURS.... as God counts YOUR FAITH.......not His.

The us in Titus 2:14 are believers, They were redeemed from the iniquity of disobedience/unbelief, and then given the Gift of Faith, all of Grace.