Depart From Me, I Never Knew You

Johann

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Depart From Me, I Never Knew You
The most terrifying words any professing Christian could ever hear would be the Lord Jesus declaring: "I never knew you, depart from me" (Mat. 7:23). On judgment day those words will be heard by many who once made professions of faith and claimed to be followers of Jesus. Yet very few evangelical leaders appear to be concerned. Our churches are filled with people who are headed to hell and don't even know it. Who are these false converts and how were they deceived? What lulls so many people into this cruel deception?

Two Kinds of Deception

Scripture describes these false converts as victims of deception. They are either deceived by false teachers or they deceive themselves. Some are victims of a false gospel or an unbiblical method of evangelism (Gal. 1:6-7). A false gospel offers the natural man what he wants: good feelings, healing, riches and success. The true Gospel offers him what he needs: forgiveness of sin, redemption, perfect righteousness, reconciliation with God and the power to live a victorious life.

Those who deceive themselves are people who hear the Word of God but do not do what it says (Jas. 1:22). Since obedience to the Word is a divine requirement of every believer, the disobedience of those who deceive themselves is marked by a lack of con- cern for God's will and His commands. They have little desire for God's people, His Word or His glory. They are self-absorbed and self- centered and love themselves more than they love God (2 Tim. 3:2-3). Paul gave a stern warning for the self-deceived who reject what the Word says: "The wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience”(Eph. 5:6). They perish because they failed to love the truth (2 Thes. 2:10).

Ignorance and Pride Can Be Fatal

Tragically, the many warnings given in the New Testament about spiritual deception are not taken seriously. People are so comfort- able in their church or religion that they have no hunger for spiritual truth. Deluded by arrogance, they deny their ignorance of God's Word. Many Christians have only a superficial knowledge of the Gospel. They know Jesus died for the sins of the world, but they don't know why He had to, or why it pleased the Father to crush Him (Isa. 53:10). They don't know the divine punishment for sin is death (Ezek. 18:4). They don't know the only way God will forgive sin (Luke 24:47; Acts 26:18; Eph. 1:7). They don't know God op- poses the proud and justifies only those who know they are ungodly (Rom. 4:5; Luke 18:9-14; James 4:6). Religious pride keeps people in spiritual darkness. Many hold to a form of godliness but deny the power (or the necessity) of the Gospel (2 Tim. 3:5). Their self-conceit leads to self-deceit and their self-righteousness damns them to everlasting shame.

Failure of Self-Examination

A major cause of self-deception is the fail- ure of self-examination. Some professing Christians go through life without ever examining their faith through the lens of Scripture. Paul exhorts us, "Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine your- selves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you, unless indeed you fail the test?" (2 Cor. 13:5). Probably the best way to guard against self-deception is to abide in God's Word, passionate for truth and invite the Holy Spirit to bring conviction and illumination.

Man-centered Evangelism

What happened to the God-centered method of evangelism that calls sinners to repent and believe the Gospel? For the last 100 years people have been told to repeat a prayer, come forward, sign a card or get baptized to be saved. Many of them have lived with a false hope because none of these methods are found in God's Word. The deadliest deception of Satan is to convince a person he is saved when he is not. The devil's ongoing strategy is to corrupt the church by planting tares or false converts where God has planted wheat. He knows he can be more effective in attacking the church from the inside than from the outside. Jesus described tares as "sons of the wicked one." The one who sowed them is the devil (Mat. 13:38-39).

Well-meaning Christians who use a man-centered approach to evangelism by manipulating people to make a decision are helping the devil plant tares. They promote easy believism with no call to repentance or discipleship because it produces quick results that people can see and measure. The unanticipated results of their actions are devastating: God is not glorified, the sinner is not saved, the church is not sanctified and the devil is thrilled and delighted. The best way to produce true converts and reduce the number of tares coming into the church is to follow a biblical, God-centered method of evangelism. We must quit seeking quick results and instead glorify God by make disciples and faithfully proclaiming His Word until the sinner asks, "What must I do to be saved?”

Strong and Weak Foundations

According to Jesus, true Christians build their houses (which represents their lives) on the solid rock of Christ and His Word (Mat. 7:24-27). False Christians build their house on shifting sand which is made up of traditions, opinions and teachings of men. When the storms and trials of life come, a true Christian continues to trust and act on God's Word while a false Christian gives up and suffers shipwreck of his faith. When his faith is tested, it is exposed as shallow, spu- rious and short-lived. He is the man who hears the Word and immediately receives it with joy; yet when affliction or persecution arises, he falls away (Mat. 13:20).Jesus said there are only two paths to eternity (Mat. 7:13-14). There is a narrow road which is hard to find because false teachers are blocking the entrance and pointing people to the broad road. This is why Jesus said, "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able" (Luke 13:24). People must strive to enter because of Satan's fierce opposition to the Gospel. The only way to determine which door is the true door is to search the Scriptures. The narrow door is difficult to enter because unconverted sinners must be set free from the snare of the devil and repent (2 Tim. 2:25). They must have a heartfelt sorrow for sinning against their God and Creator (2 Cor. 7:9-10). The narrow road is by grace alone through faith in Christ alone which means no one can enter in their own righteousness or by their works or merit (Eph. 2:8-9). They must leave every- thing behind and enter with empty hands of faith. The other path to eternity is the broad road. It is marked "heaven", but it leads people to hell. It is easy to find - just follow the crowd because many are on it. They are the ones who are trusting their own righteousness and good works and see no need to repent.

Living and Dead Faith

Anyone can profess to be a Christian but genuine faith will be evidenced by how a person lives. Likewise, people are known more by what they do than what they say. James asks the probing question: "What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works?" (Jas. 2:14). He concludes that a faith which does not pro- duce any evidence of a changed life is a dead, spurious, worthless faith. Those with empty confessions profess to know God, but they deny Him by their works, being abominable and disobedient (Titus 1:16). "Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness" (2 Tim. 2:19). In other words, it doesn't matter what you profess to be, what really matters is how you live. Those who have living faith are born of God. They are new creatures created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand for them to do (Eph. 2:10).

Right and Wrong Motives

Both true and false Christians follow Jesus, but for different reasons. Unconverted people seek Jesus for selfish motives or wrong reasons, usually for material bless- ings. Jesus said, "You seek Me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled" (John 6:26). These false disciples withhold true allegiance and submission to Jesus and retain control of their own lives. They allow their own opinions rather than Scripture to control what they do and how they do it. True converts respond to the Lord Jesus in adoration, praise and worship (Mat. 2:11; 14:33; 15:25; 28:9, 17). They submit to Christ as Lord and obey His Word out of love and gratitude for all He has done and is doing. They are known by how they respond to sin - with conviction, sorrow, confession and repentance.

Christ is living water for those who thirst for righteousness (John 7:37). He is living bread for those who hunger for eternal life (John 6:51). He is the only mediator to those who want peace with God (1 Tim. 2:5). Jesus is the only redeemer for those who want to be purchased out of the slave market of sin (Titus 2:14). He is the way for those who are lost, the truth for those who are deceived and the life for those who are dead in sin (John 14:6). He is the only Savior for those who know their hopeless and helpless condition (Eph. 2:12; Rom. 5:6). His blood is the only cure for those who know their sin will end in eternal death (1 John 1:7). His perfect righteousness is the only passport to heaven for those dressed in filthy rags (Isa. 64:6; 1 Cor. 1:30). Jesus is the Sovereign Lord who reigns over His people in love and will rule over unrepentant sinners in terror on judgment day (Rev. 20:11-15).

A Christian's Responsibility

How should we counsel those who say they have been sanctified by the truth but cling to false teachers? How can we help profess- ing Christians who are not bearing fruit in keeping with repentance (Mat. 3:8)? We must intervene because a Christian who "turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death" (Jas. 5:19-20). We must lovingly confront them with the truth of God's Word and encourage them to examine their faith. Then we must encourage them to consider the exhortation of James. "Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Be miserable and mourn and weep; let your laughter be turned into mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves in the presence of the Lord, and He will exalt you" (Jas. 4:8-10). Repented sinners, who bear the fruit of the Spirit, can be sure they will never hear terrifying words from Jesus (Gal. 5:23).
 
A sinful person of the kingdom, Matt 13:36-39, will never hear these words but a lot of Christians will...
Hello TedT.

Here's Johann's statement in the first paragraph (which is error)

QUOTE: "The most terrifying words any professing Christian could ever hear would be the Lord Jesus declaring: 'I never knew you, depart from me'" (Mat. 7:23).

I said "A Christian will never hear those words.

You replied, "A sinful person of the kingdom, Matt 13:36-39, will never hear these words but a lot of Christians will..."

You are saying two contradictory things in the same sentence.

At any rate the Scripture contradicts your understanding of the opening statement in this OP as it also does the poster:

5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Heb. 13:4–5.

Paul is attributing these words above to God and His Christ and either they are lying, or your understanding is in error and this needs to be thought out further so that you take hold of the Scripture and let your present understanding align with Scripture.
 
Allow me-any "professing Christian who are so in word only but void of the Holy Spirit"

Better?
J.
I was hoping you'd clear that up.
So you're talking about the unsaved person who for some reason believes they are Christian?
I wonder where they would get that understanding from.
😉
 
You are saying two contradictory things in the same sentence.
To avoid any Confusion:

Borrowed from Eternal Security? Yes!:

C) There is no such ( middle-ground ) doctrine found anywhere in
Scripture that Contradicts God's Sound Doctrines:

1) "The LORD Knoweth them that Are HIS!" (2 Timothy 2:19 KJB) How Long?:​

HIS Are Chosen/Predestinated/Accepted In The Beloved { SON },​
By God, The Father, Before Time Began! (Ephesians 1:4-6) = Always Known!
2) God Never Knew those who are Not "His Own" (Matthew 7:21-23 KJB)​

Amen.
 
To avoid any Confusion:

Borrowed from Eternal Security? Yes!:

C) There is no such ( middle-ground ) doctrine found anywhere in
Scripture that Contradicts God's Sound Doctrines:

1) "The LORD Knoweth them that Are HIS!" (2 Timothy 2:19 KJB) How Long?:​

HIS Are Chosen/Predestinated/Accepted In The Beloved { SON },​
By God, The Father, Before Time Began! (Ephesians 1:4-6) = Always Known!
2) God Never Knew those who are Not "His Own" (Matthew 7:21-23 KJB)​

Amen.
I agree with that, but we should have let him answer it first.
I think he holds to a saved person 'losing their salvation.'
 
I was hoping you'd clear that up.
So you're talking about the unsaved person who for some reason believes they are Christian?
I wonder where they would get that understanding from.
😉
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.


"do not believe" This is a PRESENT IMPERATIVE with a NEGATIVE PARTICLE which usually means to stop an act already in process. The tendency of Christians is to accept strong personalities, logical arguments, or miraculous events as from God. Apparently the false teachers were claiming (1) to speak for God or (2) to have had a special revelation from God.

In 2 John 7-11 it may relate to traveling teachers who wanted to speak in the house churches.



"every spirit"

"Spirit" is used in the sense of a human person. See note at 1 John 4:6. This refers to a supposed message from God. Heresy comes from within the church (cf. 1 John 2:19) or traveling teachers (2 John 7-11). The false teachers were claiming to speak for God. John asserts that there are two spiritual sources, God or Satan, behind human speech and action.



"but test the spirits"

This is a PRESENT ACTIVE IMPERATIVE. This is both a spiritual gift (cf. 1 Cor. 12:10; 14:29) and a necessity for every believer, as are prayer, evangelism, and giving. This Greek word dokimazō has the connotation of "to test with a view toward approval." Believers must think the best of others unless the worst is proven (cf. 1 Cor. 13:4-7; 1 Thess. 5:20-21).





"because many false prophets have gone out into the world"

This is a PERFECT ACTIVE INDICATIVE (cf. Jer. 14:14; 23:21; 29:8; Matt. 7:15; 24:11,24; Acts 20:28-30; 2 Pet. 2:1; 1 John 2:18-19,24; 3:7; 2 John 7).

The implication is that they have left the church (house churches, cf. 2:18-19), yet continue to claim that they speak for God.

They may have become traveling teachers wanting to speak in the house churches (cf. 2 John 7-11).

1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Brother-I am all for being corrected-but getting tired of "ERROR!" from the OP.

I bet you have not read the whole post.
Shalom
J.
 
To avoid any Confusion:

Borrowed from Eternal Security? Yes!:

C) There is no such ( middle-ground ) doctrine found anywhere in
Scripture that Contradicts God's Sound Doctrines:

1) "The LORD Knoweth them that Are HIS!" (2 Timothy 2:19 KJB) How Long?:​

HIS Are Chosen/Predestinated/Accepted In The Beloved { SON },​
By God, The Father, Before Time Began! (Ephesians 1:4-6) = Always Known!
2) God Never Knew those who are Not "His Own" (Matthew 7:21-23 KJB)​

Amen.
Glad you are here-welcome @Grace ambassador.
 
'Not every one that saith unto me, "Lord, Lord,"
shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to Me in that day,
"Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name?
and in Thy name have cast out devils?
and in Thy name done many wonderful works?"

And then will I profess unto them,
"I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity".'
(Mat 7:21-23)
(Luke 13:24-30)

'Then said they unto Him,
"What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?"
Jesus answered and said unto them,
"This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him Whom He hath sent."'
(Joh 6:28-29)
 
'Not every one that saith unto me, "Lord, Lord,"
shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to Me in that day,
"Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name?
and in Thy name have cast out devils?
and in Thy name done many wonderful works?"

And then will I profess unto them,
"I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity".'
(Mat 7:21-23)
(Luke 13:24-30)

'Then said they unto Him,
"What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?"
Jesus answered and said unto them,
"This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him Whom He hath sent."'
(Joh 6:28-29)
What's your understanding of the following...

"This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him Whom He hath sent."

It appears the faith is stated as a work.
Is this correct?
 
Clever question-
Faith is not a work-it is a gift.
And-not all HAVE faith.
Faith is used 4 ways in the Bible
How do we get faith? (Rom 10:17)
Faith ... but not faith only! (Jas 2:24)

I. Introduction

A. Faith is not just part of Christianity but every aspect of our everyday lives:

1. Science: Ever seen electricity? You accept it by faith

2. Geography: Ever seen the Eiffel Tower?

3. Evolutionist's often chide those who believe in God for their faith

a. No one has ever seen any evidence for evolution it is purely theory

b. It takes more faith to believe in evolution than God

4. Store phones you to say your order is ready.

a. You accept by faith the word of the operator that the order is ready

b. Driving down to pick up the order is an ACT OF FAITH

5. We accept God because of testimony of creation & Bible Rom 1:18-20

a. Repentance and obedience to God's word is an ACT OF FAITH

B. Simple definition of faith: Heb 11:1

1. Faith is the substance of hope

a. "Substance": Lit. Greek: "a standing under"

b. Faith "stands under" our hope, is the foundation of our hope: Rom 8:24.25

c. Faith is the "title-deed" our pledge to things hoped: Heb 3:14

2. Faith is the conviction of things not seen: Heb 11:3

a. We accept God not only exists but He created everything in 6 days

3. Faith accepts even that which appears unreasonable: Rom 4:17

II. Faith (Gr: pistis) used in four ways:

A. #1: A Personal Belief, Mental Acceptance & Acknowledgement Of God's Existence:

1. Heb 11:1,6 Assurance of things hoped for conviction of things not seen

2. 2 Cor 4:18 We look at not at things seen, but at things not seen

3. 2 Cor 5:7 we walk by faith not sight

4. Jn 20:27-29 how blessed are they who have not seen but believe

B. #2: A conduct or work inspired by the compete surrender to mental acceptance:

1. Just as repentance can be seen: Mt 3:7-8, so too "faith can be seen": Mt 9:2

2. Jas 2:14-26 We show our faith by our works

3. We must have an obedient faith:

a. Obedience of faith: Rom 1:5; 15:18: 16:26

b. Acts 6:7 word kept spreading, great many priests became obedient to the faith

c. Mt 7:21-27 not only call "Lord", but obey

d. by faith, Abraham obeyed: Heb 11

4. Faith is said to do work:

a. Gal 5:6 faith working through love

b. 1 Th 1:3; 2 Th 1:11 work of faith

c. Heb 13:7 considering the result of their conduct, imitate their faith

C. #3: A trusting or trustworthiness: (pistis)

1. Mt 24:45; 25:21,23; Lk 19:17 "faithful servant"

2. Rom 3:3 the faithfulness of God

3. 1 Cor 4:2 stewards must be faithful

4. 1 Cor 15:14,17 if Christ is not raised your faith is vain, worthless

5. 2 Th 1:3 your faith is greatly enlarged

D. #4: The System Of Doctrine And Morality Peculiar To Christianity:

1. Statements encouraging us to properly maintain the system of faith

a. Jude 3 contend earnestly for the faith

b. Gal 1:23 preaching the faith he once tried to destroy

c. Eph 4:5 only one faith

d. Eph 4:23 until we all attain to the unity of the faith

a. Acts 14:22 encouraging them to continue in the faith

f. Acts 16:5 strengthen in the faith

g. 2 Cor 13:5 test yourselves to see if you are in the faith

h. 1 Cor 16:13 stand firm in the faith

i. 2 Ti 4:7 1 have kept the faith

1. 1 Tit 1:13 reprove then that they may be sound in the faith

k. 1 Ti 4:1 in later times some will fall away from the faith

1. 1 Ti 4:6 nourished on the words of the faith and sound doctrine

m. 1 Ti 6:10 wandered away from the faith

n. 1 Ti 6:2021 Gone astray from the faith

2. Statements of general interest:

a. Gal 3:23 before the faith came we were under the law

b. Gal 6:10 especially the household of the faith

c. Acts 6:7 obedient to the faith

d. Rom 10:8 word of faith we preach

a. Lk 18:8 will Jesus find the faith upon the earth when He returns

III. How do we get faith?

A. Some wrongly teach faith comes directly from God, the Holy Spirit or Jesus

1. The Holy Spirit directly imparts faith independently of any medium.

2. God directly "operates" upon the sinner's heart to make Him a believer.

3. Problem: If a man has no faith, it is God's fault!

a. 1 Ti 2:34; 2 Pe 3:9 God's desire is for all to believe!

b. Jn 8:24 "unless you believe..." Jesus places responsibility upon man

4. Col 2:18 Many people claim God revealed something to then when God hasn't.

B. God indirectly imparts faith through the sodium or instrument of the Bible:

1. Rom 10:5-18

a. Who will ascend into heaven? ANSWER: Deut 30:10-14

b. V8 "the word of faith"

c. V17 faith comes from hearing the word of Christ

2. Jn 20:30-31 these things are written that you may believe

3. Jn 17:20,21 believe on me through their word.

4. Bible and faith used interchangeably: Acts 13:7,8 Gal 1:11,23

5. Acts 14:1 spoke in such a manner that many believed

6. Acts 15:7 hear the word of the gospel and believe

7. Acts 17:11,12 searched the scriptures daily-many therefore believed

8. Acts 18:8 many Corinthians, when they heard were believing being baptized

IV. Faith ... but not faith only!

A. There is a difference between faith only and saving faith: Jas 2:17,24

1. Demons believe, even confess Jesus as Lord: Jas 2:19; Mk 1:24.25

2. Jn 7:12.13 no one was openly speaking of His

3. Jn 12:42-43 many believed but would not confess the name of Jesus

4. Jn 9:22 Parents would not confess for fear of being put out of synagogue

V. Conclusion:

A. If we walk by faith and not by sight, how can we see faith: 2 Cor 5:7

B. Yet faith allows us to SEE THE UNSEEN and BELIEVE THE UNBELIEVABLE

Faith is used 4 ways in the Bible

19:32 / 1:00:11 Please Stop Saying Faith Is Belief Without EvidenceC.
 
I kind of stupid-tending to swim against the stream and still learning.
Hence my avatar.
Shalom
J.
I agree with swimming against the steam and thinking through understanding this "so-great salvation" using only the KJV, the Holy Spirit and my wits and reason, and I recognize your self-deprecating attitude but let me say this...
Faith is based on knowledge. Faith is only 'trust' and 'confidence' and due to some having more knowledge than others this results in having more faith (trust) and more responsibility for that faith in God, but we all have a certain measure (portion) based on the light God gives us to understand His Word for the moment(s) we live in, but we all also know 'in part' and your knowledge/posts may draw challenge from others who may know more, still your measure will bless someone who is not participating in a discussion who will read something that will be useful to the Lord taking that person from glory to glory in their own walk and knowledge.
Faith is a gift!
As are all the parts of the Lord's salvation.
Shalom right back to you.
 
Subject Heading:- 'Depart From Me. I Never Knew You'
What's your understanding of the following...

"This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him Whom He hath sent."

It appears the faith is stated as a work.
Is this correct?
'Then said they unto Him,
"What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?"
Jesus answered and said unto them,
"
This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him Whom He hath sent."'
(Joh 6:28-29)

Hello @jeremiah1five

I think the answer to your question is found by looking at the question asked. 'What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?' (referring to works of law) What our Lord is saying in reply, is that what God requires of them is that they simply, 'believe on Him, Whom God had sent', which is quite apart from works of law.

* The Lord is the fulfillment of the promise of God made to Moses in Deuteronomy 18:15-19: which shows the desperate need there was that they should believe on, 'HIM Whom God had sent'; for if they failed to 'hearken' to the word of God that He (the One sent) spoke, God says, 'I will require it of him' :-

'The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee

a Prophet from the midst of thee,
of thy brethren, like unto me; unto Him ye shall hearken;

According to all that thou desiredst
of the LORD thy God
in Horeb in the day of the assembly,
saying, Let me not hear again
the voice of the LORD my God,
neither let me see this great fire any more,
that I die not.
And the LORD said unto me,
"They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren,
like unto thee,
and will put My words in His mouth;
and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him.
And it shall come to pass,
that whosoever will not hearken unto My words
which He shall speak in My Name,
I will require it of him.'

(Deu.18:15-19)


:)
 
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