Runningman
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Question, is the Word the True Light who gives light to all men entering the world?
Deity of Christ but not Trinitarian
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Runningman
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I’m on record quoting a well-known Trinitarian that denied the Word is actually a person.
I'm sorry. I just saw one where you refer to Meyer, whose commentary points to the deity of Christ.
Runningman
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He was correct that the Word doesn’t exist in the OT except in Hebrew poetry as personification. They also personified wisdom in Proverbs 8 & 9.
So the precedent before John 1:1 is that the word isn’t a person or a God. None of the others apostles mentioned what John did. It’s not a doctrine. You have a heavy lean toward being a Logos Theologian. It’s like you pick one idea and build the entire Bible around it. The Bible contradicts your Logos Theology.
Runningman
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I don't have to click links from those who embrace a false god.
I don't care.
I think you just get tried of people who show that your bible quotes and references to commentaries all speak against your view. But hopefully you are still willing to learn from the decent Christians who are pointing out your errors.
Runningman
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I'm just copying something Fred said from a different thread. He was having a Bible discussion with a Oneness theologian and when the questions got too tough he said "I don't have to answer questions from those who embrace a false god." Don't read too far into it. Maybe you should be talking to Fred about not being a coward.
No, it didn't "get too tough."
If he wants to reject what a plural pronoun means (and he has done so many times) I am under no obligation to spend time discussing anything else.
The same holds true for you when you have never been able to refute the evidence that Jesus is being prayed to in Acts 1:24-25. You shouldn't be a coward by avoiding it.
https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-bible-does-not-teach-to-pray-to-jesus.2040/#post-111279
Since you keep running away, I am under no obligation to answer any question from you as well.
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Runningman
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I don't know why you would direct link to the section where I trash your talking points about Jesus being prayed to, but thanks for the boost in visibility to your false doctrines being dealt with.
As far as the plural pronoun goes in Genesis, there is no precedent for a trinity in which "Us" would refer to. It could possibly be a reference to the divine assembly of elohim mentioned in Psalm 82:1. That would at least explain why it was said and it has widespread Biblical support.
Psalm 82
1God presides in the divine assembly;
He renders judgment among the gods:
You dodged the evidence I gave.
No problem.
It was easy to refute your false teaching.
Thanks
Runningman
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Never forget I hold the scriptural high ground with Matthew 6:6,9 where the only commandment about prayer came directly from the Lord's mouth and he identified explicitly to pray to the Father. All other points are moot. I will never bow to your false teachings that Jesus never taught about. That's the thing about us Christians. You'll learn we only obey Jesus.
I haven't. You continue to dodge.
Are you serious ?
John 1:1–3 (NASB 2020) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.
Colossians 1:15–17 (NIV) — 15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Philippians 2:6–7 (NIV) — 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
Sorry actual examples of prayer to Jesus especialy those invoking him to do things only possible of God are not moot
Runningman
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Such as?
Runningman
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It says the Word "was" God in the past tense. Fail. God isn't a past tense God. You're missing the point of this chapter. It's already been explained and you didn't believe.
Your theology of the Word contradicts John 1:1 where the Word was God and in Colossians 1:15 the Word isn't God, but rather the image of the invisible God. Therefore he isn't God. 1 Timothy 1:17 says the only God is invisible.
There is nothing about the nature of God in this verse. The word form means the outward appearance. You also should not exclude verse 5.
Here's what you need to know. When you believe it you'll have it.
John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
Are you now confessing the word was God
Do you have any evidence he stopped being God
You fail to understand how Theos is used. It can serve as a noun denoting a proper name or as an adjective identifying a class of being -i.e. deity
God has no outward appearance
He is a Spirit
Philippians 2:6 (NIV) — 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
Christ is the eternal life
1 John 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
and the true God
1 John 5:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
You already know but receiving the Spirit of the dead is one example
forgiving sin, and judgment are others
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