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I quoted Col 1 nice bait n switchHebrews 1:3 is about the planets?
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For the readers to see what the all things are and that they relate to the creation account in Genesis 1. Because Christ is preeminent, our Creator and nothing came before Him and all things came by Him and through Him the Apostles are testifying He is God our Creator in these passages. He existed before the beginning ( creation of all things) and only God existed before all things and is the Eternal Being who made all things in Genesis 1 which is confirmed below.
Now its like I'm debating a unitarian. yikes.
Its about the creation of our universe with the meaning of all things and not your presuppositions. The context makes that abundantly clear.
Now read about the Superiority of Christ over all below.
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
cf- Heb 11:3- By faith we understand that the world has been created by the word of God so that what is seen has not been made out of things that are visible.
Colossians 1- The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
John 1- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made
1 Cor 8:6- yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.
I knew what you were going to quote and knew you had no leg to stand on. Its about the creation of our universe/world to which all things pertain. Not your calvinist assumptions you have read into the text.@presby02
now run away from the text again since you avoided it last time and deflected with your question game.
lets see some exegesis of these texts from you and prove me wrong. it will never happen by you or anyone else with these passages.
hope this helps !
Were actually in Hebrews 1 remember. Speaking of running. It's about the planets. Show us
I quoted Hebrews 1. Nice dodge. It's about the planets. Prove itI quoted Col 1 nice bait n switch
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I included it as well disproving your unbiblical ideas.
Speaking of ideas, where does it say it only refers to planets? In either text. Especially in Hebrews 1
Φέρων is the nom. sg. masc. of the pres. act. ptc. of φέρω, “bear,” “sustain” (BDAG 1052a). The ptc. is the second ptc. modifying ἐκάθισεν. The postpos. τέ joins the first two ptcs. and “indicates a somewhat closer unity than does καί” (R 1178). After describing the essential nature of the Son, the author here declares his sustaining relationship to τὰ πάντα (“universe” [BDAG 784b]). A sim. idea occurs in Col 1:17. The Son, the goal and agent of creation, is the one who carries creation to its intended goal.Hebrews 1:3 is about the planets?
Dana M. Harris, Hebrews (ed. Andreas J. Köstenberger and Robert W. Yarbrough; Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament; Nashville, TN: B&H Academic, 2019), 15.
upholding all things [ta panta]—‘the universe.’ Col. 1:15, 17, 20 enumerates the three facts in the same order
David Brown, A. R. Fausset, and Robert Jamieson, A Commentary, Critical, Experimental, and Practical, on the Old and New Testaments: Acts–Revelation (vol. VI; London; Glasgow: William Collins, Sons, & Company, Limited, n.d.), 526.
Upholding means “bearing” or “carrying,” referring to movement and progress toward a final end. The Son not only created the universe by His powerful word but also maintains and directs its course. He is the Governor of the universe. The laws of nature are His laws, and they operate at His command.
Earl D. Radmacher, Ronald Barclay Allen, and H. Wayne House, Nelson’s New Illustrated Bible Commentary (Nashville: T. Nelson Publishers, 1999), 1635–1636.
Yup, amen. All things is all things
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Φέρων is the nom. sg. masc. of the pres. act. ptc. of φέρω, “bear,” “sustain” (BDAG 1052a). The ptc. is the second ptc. modifying ἐκάθισεν. The postpos. τέ joins the first two ptcs. and “indicates a somewhat closer unity than does καί” (R 1178). After describing the essential nature of the Son, the author here declares his sustaining relationship to τὰ πάντα (“universe” [BDAG 784b]). A sim. idea occurs in Col 1:17. The Son, the goal and agent of creation, is the one who carries creation to its intended goal.
Dana M. Harris, Hebrews (ed. Andreas J. Köstenberger and Robert W. Yarbrough; Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament; Nashville, TN: B&H Academic, 2019), 15.
upholding all things [ta panta]—‘the universe.’ Col. 1:15, 17, 20 enumerates the three facts in the same order
David Brown, A. R. Fausset, and Robert Jamieson, A Commentary, Critical, Experimental, and Practical, on the Old and New Testaments: Acts–Revelation (vol. VI; London; Glasgow: William Collins, Sons, & Company, Limited, n.d.), 526.
Upholding means “bearing” or “carrying,” referring to movement and progress toward a final end. The Son not only created the universe by His powerful word but also maintains and directs its course. He is the Governor of the universe. The laws of nature are His laws, and they operate at His command.
Earl D. Radmacher, Ronald Barclay Allen, and H. Wayne House, Nelson’s New Illustrated Bible Commentary (Nashville: T. Nelson Publishers, 1999), 1635–1636.
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Someone is without a biblical clue
He has got to be hurting
Yup, I agree. And you sir are a part of the universe. His creation are you not? Are you part of nature? LOL
"in Him we live, move and have our being"
Ahhh.....no more pain
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Big time
Nope. I'm feeling great. What happened to the zoom call you were going to set up?Big time
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I had to work on Monday it’s normally my day off.
Creation God does not create your acts or thought
You are part of creation. He created you exactly how He wanted to. Or was He unaware? Take Hitler for instance, did God create Him knowing exactly what He would do? How about Pol Pot? Mao? Stalin?
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Exactly.
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Nope Adam was, not you. You were not created in Genesis 1 which is the topic in all the passages about all things.
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