civic
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The New interprets the old.
Exegesis 101. The same Greek word in both passages
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Exegesis 101. The same Greek word in both passages
atpollard
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There are no Greek words in Malachi. However, SCRIPTURE is clear about the context of the passage that the Hebrew word appears in …The New interprets the old.
God expresses his “feelings” towards Esau in Malachi 1 by:
- Laying waste to his hill country.
- Leaving his heritage to jackals of the desert.
- Making Esau cry out "We are shattered".
- Vowing to “tear down” what Esau rebuilds.
- Proclaiming the land of Esau 'the wicked country,'
- Calling the people of Esau “the people with whom the LORD is angry forever.”
GallagherM
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Ill be a coward. Jesus was looked at as a coward, assuredly... looking to faith in God, and not man.
Any time you or anyone else writes or speaks anything besides a direct quote from the Bible you are adding to the bible. All commentary is adding to the bible. When you give your interpretation of a passage, what you think the passage means, you are adding to the bible.
And so much of what you add is simply wrong.
jeremiah1five
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There are no Hebrews included in the Abrahamic Covenant as initially established. Abraham was not a Hebrew; the formation of the Hebrew nation came later.
jeremiah1five
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God placed blessing upon Abraham and his seed. Esau is brother of Jacob and godson of Abraham. He was blessed of God through his life. God placed blessings upon Abraham's seed and Esau is one of his descendants that God blessed throughout his life. Like Jacob, his brother, Esau was circumcised. God was pleased that Isaac obeyed this command, but God was not pleased with Esau's flippant handling of his birthright. Everyone is making a big fuss over "Esau have I hated" as though God actually hated Esau the person. He didn't. It was God who prospered Esau and gave him 'more than enough' that he would refuse Jacob's gift (Gen. 33:9), but after Jacob insisting, he accepted his gift.
When Esau returned from the field, he was hungry. There was already a pot of soup available, and he asked Jacob for some. Esau could have made something for himself to eat but Jacob asked for a trade, which Esau made with his brother. God was the one FIRST who said the older shall serve the younger and this is what happened. Would God actually hate Esau who fulfilled God's Word? Esau was Abraham's seed and Abraham's blessings was upon him, not cursing. When we come to Genesis 33, we see God had prospered Esau, not cursed him.
I think many need to independently study the question rather than easily give the textbook answer by someone else's bible study. Each and every believer is commanded to "ask, seek, and knock" but if the most a true believer will do is regurgitate the textbook answer and accept other people's bible studies, then forget the Bible. It's easier to just regurgitate another person's bible study and not search out the matter like a king would.
God may not have liked what Esau did but that didn't condemn his to hell and eternal separation from God. He was a descendant of Abraham and blessed with faithful Abraham. Because now if you hold to the literal "Esau have I hated" as hating the person, then now you are one who is on the side of God hates the sin AND the sinner.
I believe this hatred applies to the world, not to Abraham's seed. God hates the unatoned "world" and the world in contrast to the Jew is the Gentiles.
15 Love not the world (unatoned Gentiles), neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 1 John 2:14–16.
Instead of hating the grandson of Abraham, Esau, turn your hated to those God actually hates - non-Hebrew Gentiles. Because God does actually hate the world of non-Hebrew Gentiles, the very people some say God loves in John 3:16. It can't be both. God loves Esau and blesses him with faithful Abraham. But God hates the world of non-Hebrew Gentiles.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. John 17:8–9.
The world is left 'prayerless.' Christ doesn't pray for them, do you? Do you think God loves your traitorous attitude by loving the "world" whom He hates and does not pray for - at a time when as High Priest the Intercessors prayers were needed at the time before the High Priest offers Himself.
What's it called when someone loves someone God hates?
It's called [being a] traitor, to give aid and comfort to God's enemies.
And if you pray for the "world" of non-Hebrew Gentiles then you set yourself in opposition to God.
And your sin surpasses what Judas did. But you're too blind to see it.
Jesus doesn't pray for the world.
Do you?
If you do you are a traitor to God.
Uh huh.
When Esau returned from the field, he was hungry. There was already a pot of soup available, and he asked Jacob for some. Esau could have made something for himself to eat but Jacob asked for a trade, which Esau made with his brother. God was the one FIRST who said the older shall serve the younger and this is what happened. Would God actually hate Esau who fulfilled God's Word? Esau was Abraham's seed and Abraham's blessings was upon him, not cursing. When we come to Genesis 33, we see God had prospered Esau, not cursed him.
I think many need to independently study the question rather than easily give the textbook answer by someone else's bible study. Each and every believer is commanded to "ask, seek, and knock" but if the most a true believer will do is regurgitate the textbook answer and accept other people's bible studies, then forget the Bible. It's easier to just regurgitate another person's bible study and not search out the matter like a king would.
God may not have liked what Esau did but that didn't condemn his to hell and eternal separation from God. He was a descendant of Abraham and blessed with faithful Abraham. Because now if you hold to the literal "Esau have I hated" as hating the person, then now you are one who is on the side of God hates the sin AND the sinner.
I believe this hatred applies to the world, not to Abraham's seed. God hates the unatoned "world" and the world in contrast to the Jew is the Gentiles.
15 Love not the world (unatoned Gentiles), neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 1 John 2:14–16.
Instead of hating the grandson of Abraham, Esau, turn your hated to those God actually hates - non-Hebrew Gentiles. Because God does actually hate the world of non-Hebrew Gentiles, the very people some say God loves in John 3:16. It can't be both. God loves Esau and blesses him with faithful Abraham. But God hates the world of non-Hebrew Gentiles.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. John 17:8–9.
The world is left 'prayerless.' Christ doesn't pray for them, do you? Do you think God loves your traitorous attitude by loving the "world" whom He hates and does not pray for - at a time when as High Priest the Intercessors prayers were needed at the time before the High Priest offers Himself.
What's it called when someone loves someone God hates?
It's called [being a] traitor, to give aid and comfort to God's enemies.
And if you pray for the "world" of non-Hebrew Gentiles then you set yourself in opposition to God.
And your sin surpasses what Judas did. But you're too blind to see it.
Jesus doesn't pray for the world.
Do you?
If you do you are a traitor to God.
Uh huh.
jeremiah1five
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He became what the Hebrew nation was. He didn't start out that way. I don't believe the Abrahamic Covenant was made with Abraham as a Hebrew. Rather, Abraham as a Hebrew came out of the Abrahamic Covenant.
Gen_12:7 Then the LORD appeared to Abram and said, "To your offspring I will give this land." So he built there an altar to the LORD, who had appeared to him
Gen_17:5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham, for I have made you the father of a multitude of nations.
atpollard
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Coward.
I hope the emoji carried the humor in my post.
(no offense was intended).
civic
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The N.T. interprets the O.T. In the N.T. which is quoting the O.T. both N.T. passages in Luke snd Romans use the same word miseo.
next fallacy.
atpollard
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Why do you not believe God when he explains how he feels towards "Esau" in Malachi 1?
God expresses his “feelings” towards Esau in Malachi 1 by:
- Laying waste to his hill country.
- Leaving his heritage to jackals of the desert.
- Making Esau cry out "We are shattered".
- Vowing to “tear down” what Esau rebuilds.
- Proclaiming the land of Esau 'the wicked country,'
- Calling the people of Esau “the people with whom the LORD is angry forever.”
That is a pretty clear description of God’s “feelings”.
Did Malachi lie or did God change his mind?
[Both are very serious flaws in a theology that claims the Bible to be correct and God to be immutable.]
civic
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I do believe God since the New interprets the old.
Whenever the New quotes the old the proper way to understand the old is through the lens of the new. Bible Hermeneutics 101.
civic
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You should listen to the basic biblical hermeneutic principle below from your " Reformed " theologians below:
But there is one vital principle that often goes overlooked because most people aren’t thinking about it when they skip back and forth between the Old and New Testament, and that principle is this: The New Testament always interprets the Old Testament, not the other way around.
It doesn't get anymore calvinistic than Knox press.
The New Testament interprets the Old Testament — always
When we read and study God’s sacred scripture, we have a responsibility to read and interpret it as correctly as possible so as to not fall into error and even heresy. Many problems have aris…
knoxepc.wordpress.com
atpollard
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You forget that I trust SCRIPTURE as the "norma normans non normata" ... John Calvin and Knox mean NOTHING to me if what they say contradicts what Scripture explicitly states. So I trust GOD's explanation of what he meant ...You should listen to the basic biblical hermeneutic principle below from your " Reformed " theologians below:
But there is one vital principle that often goes overlooked because most people aren’t thinking about it when they skip back and forth between the Old and New Testament, and that principle is this: The New Testament always interprets the Old Testament, not the other way around.
It doesn't get anymore calvinistic than Knox press.
The New Testament interprets the Old Testament — always
When we read and study God’s sacred scripture, we have a responsibility to read and interpret it as correctly as possible so as to not fall into error and even heresy. Many problems have aris…
- Laying waste
- jackals of the desert
- "We are shattered".
- “tear down”
- 'the wicked country,'
- “the people with whom the LORD is angry forever.”
jeremiah1five
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He didn't "become" Hebrew. He IS Hebrew.
He is from the family of "Eber" from whom the name "Hebrew" derives.
Changing his name to Abraham did not change his biology. He is from the family of Eber.
You need to study these things, especially if you're going to take a position. KNOW what the Scripture says and THEN say the same thing! I CAN'T do your study for you.
10 These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:
11 And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
12 And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:
13 And Arphaxad lived after he begat Salah four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.
14 And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:
15 And Salah lived after he begat Eber four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.
16 And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:
17 And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters.
18 And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:
19 And Peleg lived after he begat Reu two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters.
20 And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:
21 And Reu lived after he begat Serug two hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters.
22 And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:
23 And Serug lived after he begat Nahor two hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
24 And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:
25 And Nahor lived after he begat Terah an hundred and nineteen years, and begat sons and daughters.
26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran. Genesis 11:10–26.
Abram/Abraham is a descendant of Eber from whom the Hebrew family is named after: Hebrew.
GallagherM
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It’s hard to tell when a person is being sarcastic or not on the internet.
GallagherM
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I don’t ever text and use emojis. At least not in some great amount of time.
I am certainly happy about that since I don't think the study you do for yourself is very good.
jeremiah1five
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