Conservative America's False doctrine (1800's dispensationalism) Support of Israel

[Tothalordbeallglory]

To the trenches civic

To the trenches one and all . The LORD IS our hope and our salvation .
We got us a harlot who has come to take over and to rule and reign as queen .
That harlot and her cup will not be recieved nor sipped by the sheep .
Now double down and to the trenches . stay dug in that bible .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Always remember deconstruction leads only to thine own destruction .
Stay planted in the scriptures and never fall for a harlots love .

 

[armylngst]

Do you even know what God's covenant with Abraham was? That covenant is presented in Genesis 12:1-3. First, the Abrahamic Covenant and the Old Covenant are two different covenants. Second, neither of those two covenants offer salvation. If they had, there would have been no need for the New Covenant. You only need to go to the Book of Hebrews to see that.

Abraham had two covenants. The first was the land covenant and descendants. Abraham's "great nation". The second includes the establishing of the blessing through Abraham's seed, which Hebrews says is Jesus. The promise made following this, when Abraham went to sacrifice Isaac, speaks directly to the world, to include Gentiles, those outside of the covenant, would also be blessed in Christ, Abraham's seed. So I can take it that you are speaking solely to Abraham's two covenants.

Then there is the Mosaic covenant, a covenant that would be a covenant of salvation. Salvation through keeping the law, being God's people, and obeying His commands. All the way up to Jesus time, it was believed that EVERY Jew entered into the Kingdom solely because of the Mosaic covenant. No Jews go into "Gehenna". An interesting point made by the author I read (messianic Jew) who spoke to this said it created a quandary. The rabbis taught that every Christian went to Gehenna, so what about Jewish (none go to Gehenna) Christians (all go to Gehenna).

The reason why God will give Israel, and Israel only, a new covenant is because Israel violated the Mosaic covenant. This is not a replacement for the Abrahamic covenants. Though Paul would argue that circumcision is no longer a requirement, and is an impediment. (By being circumcised, one places themselves under the Law.) The new covenant comes when God reconciles with Israel. (Revelation 19; Zechariah (I don't remember the exact chapter off hand.) Jesus returns, and they recognize Him, and God opens fountains of regeneration and rivers of repentance. All Israel (that survives until this time) is saved. I believe the elect, the remnant that God kept for Himself that are not yet saved, will be all that remains, and God saves at this time. They receive a new covenant, a fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant with the land promise, and at that time, in line with the question of the disciples before Jesus left, Jesus will return the Kingdom to Israel. That question did not cease to be relevant, because Jesus never said it wouldn't happen. All He said to the disciples who asked if He was going to do it NOW, was that it wasn't for them to know when. That is the Father's domain. So, a question for you, if the disciples were to keep asking this question, when would His answer change to YES?

 

[Jim]

Abraham had two covenants. The first was the land covenant and descendants. Abraham's "great nation". The second includes the establishing of the blessing through Abraham's seed, which Hebrews says is Jesus. The promise made following this, when Abraham went to sacrifice Isaac, speaks directly to the world, to include Gentiles, those outside of the covenant, would also be blessed in Christ, Abraham's seed. So I can take it that you are speaking solely to Abraham's two covenants.

Then there is the Mosaic covenant, a covenant that would be a covenant of salvation. Salvation through keeping the law, being God's people, and obeying His commands. All the way up to Jesus time, it was believed that EVERY Jew entered into the Kingdom solely because of the Mosaic covenant. No Jews go into "Gehenna". An interesting point made by the author I read (messianic Jew) who spoke to this said it created a quandary. The rabbis taught that every Christian went to Gehenna, so what about Jewish (none go to Gehenna) Christians (all go to Gehenna).

The reason why God will give Israel, and Israel only, a new covenant is because Israel violated the Mosaic covenant. This is not a replacement for the Abrahamic covenants. Though Paul would argue that circumcision is no longer a requirement, and is an impediment. (By being circumcised, one places themselves under the Law.) The new covenant comes when God reconciles with Israel. (Revelation 19; Zechariah (I don't remember the exact chapter off hand.) Jesus returns, and they recognize Him, and God opens fountains of regeneration and rivers of repentance. All Israel (that survives until this time) is saved. I believe the elect, the remnant that God kept for Himself that are not yet saved, will be all that remains, and God saves at this time. They receive a new covenant, a fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant with the land promise, and at that time, in line with the question of the disciples before Jesus left, Jesus will return the Kingdom to Israel. That question did not cease to be relevant, because Jesus never said it wouldn't happen. All He said to the disciples who asked if He was going to do it NOW, was that it wasn't for them to know when. That is the Father's domain. So, a question for you, if the disciples were to keep asking this question, when would His answer change to YES?

The New Covenant came when Christ died on the cross. It was initiated officially at Pentecost as recorded in Acts. The New Covenant has nothing to do with land.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

The New Covenant came when Christ died on the cross. It was initiated officially at Pentecost as recorded in Acts. The New Covenant has nothing to do with land.

AND THERE BE ONLY ONE WAY IN .......................BY FAITH IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND .
Budda , allah , hindy , new age and all else IS but vainity and of the darkness .
THERE is only GOD and CHRIST is the ONLY WAY to the FATHER .
All else is but winds of vainity and false love . For any love that allows u nbeleif
IS NO LOVE OF GOD but it is of the world and it will not save .

 

[civic]

1-the entire world is against Israel which should be the first clue about the Jews in their land.
2- the great future battle of Armageddon will be the culmination of the worlds hatred towards them
3- Christ at His 2nd Coming will rescue them against all her enemies
4- He will set up His millennial kingdon following the great battle and victory over Israels enemies
5- The Jews will recognize Jesus as their Messiah at His 2nd Coming as per prophecy

hope this helps !!!

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

AND THERE BE ONLY ONE WAY IN .......................BY FAITH IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND .
Budda , allah , hindy , new age and all else IS but vainity and of the darkness .
THERE is only GOD and CHRIST is the ONLY WAY to the FATHER .
All else is but winds of vainity and false love . For any love that allows u nbeleif
IS NO LOVE OF GOD but it is of the world and it will not save .

 

[armylngst]

The New Covenant came when Christ died on the cross. It was initiated officially at Pentecost as recorded in Acts. The New Covenant has nothing to do with land.

Wait a minute. That isn't what Hebrews says. In fact, the take in Hebrews is quite different. The New Covenant is for Israel, and is based on the Kingdom. You should consider looking into a Jewish take on Jesus. That is a Messianic Jewish take. For instance, the whole reason why the Pharisees and Saducees were upset with Jesus isn't because Jesus was breaking the Mosaic law, because... He wasn't. They knew He wasn't. However, the Jewish leadership had created a HUGE law of their own, recorded as the Mishna, which Jesus was breaking constantly. In fact, Jesus went out of His way to break the Mishna. He was quite specific in ensuring he broke actual laws, not just did something that they claimed broke their law. He not only healed on the Sabbath, but his methods of healing were directly against the Mishna. They were also prophetic.

Jeremiah 31:33 "“For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord: “I will put My law within them and write it on their heart; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Did you say a jewish take on JESUS .
Yea rather we better learn the actual bible and learn OF JESUS .

 

[Weyoun]

Physical Israel is the delivery system for the return of Jesus Christ

 

[Grace ambassador]

Physical Israel is the delivery system for the return of Jesus Christ

All the way to the earth = Amen! And:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

God's Great Grace Departure Is The Spiritual 'Delivery System'
Of The Body Of Christ All The Way To Heaven!!

Double Amen / AMEN!!

 

[mikesw]

Wait a minute. That isn't what Hebrews says. In fact, the take in Hebrews is quite different. The New Covenant is for Israel, and is based on the Kingdom. You should consider looking into a Jewish take on Jesus. That is a Messianic Jewish take. For instance, the whole reason why the Pharisees and Saducees were upset with Jesus isn't because Jesus was breaking the Mosaic law, because... He wasn't. They knew He wasn't. However, the Jewish leadership had created a HUGE law of their own, recorded as the Mishna, which Jesus was breaking constantly. In fact, Jesus went out of His way to break the Mishna. He was quite specific in ensuring he broke actual laws, not just did something that they claimed broke their law. He not only healed on the Sabbath, but his methods of healing were directly against the Mishna. They were also prophetic.

Jeremiah 31:33 "“For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord: “I will put My law within them and write it on their heart; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."

The real reason for the leaders upset at Jesus was for disrupting what they thought was a comfy existence within the Roman Empire, as per John 11:45-52. They had hoped to preserve their nation. They did not recognize what the future was.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

1-the entire world is against Israel which should be the first clue about the Jews in their land.
2- the great future battle of Armageddon will be the culmination of the worlds hatred towards them
3- Christ at His 2nd Coming will rescue them against all her enemies
4- He will set up His millennial kingdon following the great battle and victory over Israels enemies
5- The Jews will recognize Jesus as their Messiah at His 2nd Coming as per prophecy

hope this helps !!!

for years and for years they have made ready the world and her religoins for this .
And for many moons have i long warned against it .
GET every man , woman and child you know far far away from anything ecumenical and fast .

 

[civic]

for years and for years they have made ready the world and her religoins for this .
And for many moons have i long warned against it .
GET every man , woman and child you know far far away from anything ecumenical and fast .

His Return draweth nigh, the signs of the times are now before us.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

His Return draweth nigh, the signs of the times are now before us.

For when they shall say peace n safety , sudden destruction cometh upon them all .
Oh Yes the return of the LORD does draw nigh indeed .

 

[Jim]

For when they shall say peace n safety , sudden destruction cometh upon them all .
Oh Yes the return of the LORD does draw nigh indeed .

True enough. But that could be today or it could be tomorrow or it could be thousands of years from now.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

True enough. But that could be today or it could be tomorrow or it could be thousands of years from now.

If a man even t hinks that then he does not truly discern the signs of the times and delays .
Aint no way we have that time left . Look around . And before one says t here have always
been end time signs , I know there has been , But its morphed massive in this last generation .
Total reprobation is setting in now .
No longer hidden , no longer on the fringe , but all over the place .
we have folks believing they are the opposite sex , and society even honors it .
Its flipped . used to be sins were hidden , NOW they honored and celebrated
and if a man dares to expose them he is made prey to their teeth .
YE have become as Sodom unto me
You no longer hide your sins but celebrate them in the streets .
THIS IS the last generation , on that i have no doubt . As to when the day of the LORD comes
On that i DO NOT KNOW . NOR does any . So if a man cometh
and makes such a claim they do know , FLEE SUCH . For no man knows the day or the hour
the LORD does come .
BUT we sure can see THE DAY APPROACHING .

 

[Jim]

If a man even t hinks that then he does not truly discern the signs of the times and delays .
Aint no way we have that time left . Look around . And before one says t here have always
been end time signs , I know there has been , But its morphed massive in this last generation .
Total reprobation is setting in now .
No longer hidden , no longer on the fringe , but all over the place .
we have folks believing they are the opposite sex , and society even honors it .
Its flipped . used to be sins were hidden , NOW they honored and celebrated
and if a man dares to expose them he is made prey to their teeth .
YE have become as Sodom unto me
You no longer hide your sins but celebrate them in the streets .
THIS IS the last generation , on that i have no doubt . As to when the day of the LORD comes
On that i DO NOT KNOW . NOR does any . So if a man cometh
and makes such a claim they do know , FLEE SUCH . For no man knows the day or the hour
the LORD does come .
BUT we sure can see THE DAY APPROACHING .

I sincerely believe that most of the "end-time" teaching in scripture has to do with, not the end of the world, but rather the unknown and perhaps unexpected end of our own lives. For each one of us, on the day that we die, the end has come. Nothing that happens in the physical universe matters on whit. Time, which is a physical measure not a spiritual measure for us has stopped.

And each of the "evils" that you described above have been going on since the very beginning. There really is, so far as human behavior is concerned, nothing new in all the earth. You speak of the sexual deviant behavior today. That is not new. The Roman bath houses existed for that purpose. Pegan worship promoted it.

I will add this here. Not only did God take 4000 years to bring Jesus, the Messiah, into the world, God also took 14 billion years to bring humans into the world. God is not tied to time.

And as I said above, I think that in terms of numbers, not percentages, there are more people turning to God today than in any time in the past.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

I sincerely believe that most of the "end-time" teaching in scripture has to do with, not the end of the world, but rather the unknown and perhaps unexpected end of our own lives. For each one of us, on the day that we die, the end has come. Nothing that happens in the physical universe matters on whit. Time, which is a physical measure not a spiritual measure for us has stopped.

And each of the "evils" that you described above have been going on since the very beginning. There really is, so far as human behavior is concerned, nothing new in all the earth. You speak of the sexual deviant behavior today. That is not new. The Roman bath houses existed for that purpose. Pegan worship promoted it.

I will add this here. Not only did God take 4000 years to bring Jesus, the Messiah, into the world, God also took 14 billion years to bring humans into the world. God is not tied to time.

And as I said above, I think that in terms of numbers, not percentages, there are more people turning to God today than in any time in the past.

what page of the bible did you get half of this from .
Jim your mind leans heavily carnal my friend .
You rely on human wisdom as your guide .
But you go and you pray about that .

 

[Jim]

You rely on human wisdom as your guide .

I rely on the Spirit's help in my human intelligence in the interpretation of God's word. What do you rely on?