Commandments of God

[dwight92070]

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. Revelation 14

What are the commandments of God to those who have faith in Jesus?

It certainly is, at minimum, the ten commandments. Which are clearly present before the Sinai covenant is even made.

e.g. Joseph refrains from adultery, as it is a "sin against God".
God tells Cain "sin crouches at your door" before he murders his brother.
God ordains every seventh day as set apart from the first week of creation.

You are greatly mistaken. If we have faith in Jesus, we must keep HIS COMMANDMENTS, which ARE GOD'S COMMANDMENTS given by Jesus. The Law of Moses was given to Israel ALONE, not to Gentiles and not even for today's Jews. Those laws were GOOD and all Jewish men under the Old Covenant were to keep them, before Christ came. Since Jesus came however, we, Jew and Gentile, are to keep the commandments of Jesus. Even God the Father commanded the disciples of Jesus, saying: "This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; Listen to Him!" Matthew 17:5 Even though Moses and Elijah had just appeared, God did not tell the disciples to listen to them. Rather they were commanded to listen to Jesus. This does not mean that we cannot learn from the Old Testament, but we now must OBEY Jesus' commandments, not the law of Moses.

Paul said "that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that the law IS NOT MADE FOR A RIGHTEOUS PERSON, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, ..." 1 Timothy 1: 8-9 So, as believers in Christ, we are clothed in His righteousness. Therefore, according to Paul, the Mosaic law is NOT MADE FOR US. It was made specifically for Israel, before Christ came.

Jesus said:
"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." John 14:15 (Not the Ten Commandments)
"He who has my commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, ..." verse 21, same chapter (not Moses' commandments)
"If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, ..." verse 23 (Not Moses' or Elijah's word)
"He who does not love Me does not keep My words; ..." verse 24
"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit ... will bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." verse 25 (not what Moses and Elijah said)
"If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, ..." John 15:7 (not the words of the Old Covenant)
"If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; ... " verse 10
"This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you." verse 12
"You are My friends, if you do what I command you." verse 14
"This I command you, that you love one another." verse 17
"Remember the word that I said to you, ..." verse 20
"if they kept My word, they will keep yours also." verse 20
" ... make disciples ... teaching them to observe all that I commanded you." (not the Ten Commandments or the Law) Matthew 28:19-20

 

[dwight92070]

Yoooo, my man Jamie, you actually joined.

You should put your Youtube in your signature.

The way I see it, is there is two commandments for a New Covenant believer:

1. The commandment to trust in Christ for my righteousness.
2. The commandment to "abide" in Christ, such that his life will manifest.

Actually there are a large number of commandments that Jesus gave, not just two.

 

[Studyman]

All the commands of the New Covenant - not the commands of the Old Covenant.

According to some popular definitions of God's Old Covenant promoted by the religions of this world both you and I were born in, this might be true.

But when a person reads the promise for themselves, there are only 2 things that were prophesied to change, and God's commandments were not included in that change.

#1. How God's Laws are received.

#2. How sins are forgiven.

And both of these were the duties of the Priesthood "After the Order of Aaron", as they ministered before God in the Priest's Office. So as it is written in Hebrews and the Psalms, the "Priesthood Changed", and the New Covenant is a Priesthood "After the Order of Melchizedek", and this change was going to be fulfilled, because it is part of the Law and Prophets and nothing will fail to come to pass. As the Jesus "of the bible" also teaches.

Matt. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Remember, Jesus warned about "many" deceivers who come in His Name. So we should put on the Armor of God so as to discern between what is from man, and what is wrought in God.

 

[Fred]

But when a person reads the promise for themselves, there are only 2 things that were prophesied to change, and God's commandments were not included in that change.

The above is incorrect.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/commandments-of-god.277/page-2#post-5952

 

[dwight92070]

That is contradictory because the New Covenant still involves following the Torah (Jeremiah 31:33).

Gentiles never were under the law, nor are they today. Jews were under the law until John the Baptist and Jesus came on the scene (Luke 16:16) Then, if they believed Jesus, or if a Gentile believes Jesus, they are to keep His commandments, not the law. Paul says to the Jews who believed Jesus, " ... you are NOT under the law but under grace." Romans 6:14

 

[Studyman]

The above is incorrect.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/commandments-of-god.277/page-2#post-5952

What many of todays religions omit, is there was no Covenant with Israel concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin, before the Golden Calf. They also refuse to accept that there was NO Covenant with Israel in Ex. 32, and God was going to "Consume them" and make a great nation out of Moses.

Ex. 32: 9 And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: 10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

There was NO Covenant here, it was broken and Gone. "And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments" no longer existed, as is clearly evident by God's own Words.

Moses pleaded with God on Israel's behalf, and God relented.

14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

And Moses went up a 2nd time to see if these men could be reconciled back to God.

30 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.

Moses went back up on the mountain for another 40 days. It was here that God made another Covenant with them, like unto the first, but "ADDED" Law concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin. Jeremiah understood this just as I do.

Jer. 7: 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. 24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

In the Promise of the New Covenant, here is what Scriptures say.

Heb. 9: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Jer. 31: CLV 32 Not like the covenant that I made with their fathers, In the day of My laying hold on their hand, To bring them out of the land of Egypt, In that they made void My covenant, And I ruled over them--an affirmation of Yahweh."

New International Version
32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them, ” declares the LORD.

Young's Literal Translation
32 Not like the covenant that I made with their fathers, In the day of My laying hold on their hand, To bring them out of the land of Egypt, In that they made void My covenant, And I ruled over them -- an affirmation of Jehovah.

In this Covenant that God made with Israel, there were "ADDED" Priesthood Provisions to provide for the forgiveness of sins that didn't exist before the Golden calf, "Till the New Priest After the Order of Melchizedek" (The SEED) should come. Paul speaks to this very thing in Gal. 3.

The deceiver would have us believe that God's entire Law, with His Judgments, Statutes and Commandments, were only given until the SEED should come. Jesus exposed this evil in Matt. 5. But "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, simply do not believe Him.

 

[dwight92070]

Jeremiah 31:32 says that the new covenant is "NOT LIKE the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them ... out of the land of Egypt, ... " So IT IS NOT the Law of Moses that He puts into their minds. It IS NOT the law of Moses that He writes on their hearts. So what law is it?
Paul calls it "the law of Christ". It is the commandments of Jesus that are written on our hearts and put into our minds - by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Studyman]

Jeremiah 31:32 says that the new covenant is "NOT LIKE the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them ... out of the land of Egypt, ... " So IT IS NOT the Law of Moses that He puts into their minds. It IS NOT the law of Moses that He writes on their hearts. So what law is it?
Paul calls it "the law of Christ". It is the commandments of Jesus that are written on our hearts and put into our minds - by the Holy Spirit.

Here is what the God of the Bible actually says for those interested in Seeking the Kingdom of "GOD" and "HIS" Righteousness, as the Jesus "of the bible" instructed His People to do.

Jer. 31: 31 “The days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them, ” declares the LORD.

33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the LORD.

OK, here is the One True God that the Jesus of the Bible said to know is eternal life, telling me exactly what HIS NEW Covenant is, so that I can know and not be deceived by the "many" who come in Christ's Name that Jesus Warned about. Here it is, for those who will accept His Word as Truth.

“I will put my law" in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

Moses never created EVEN ONE Law but was God's Choice to give to men "HIS LAW", I know this because it is written, "For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

And the Jesus of the Bible tells me, "Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?"

So therefore, because of this Truth, it is clear that God promised to write "HIS LAWS" on the hearts of His People according to HIS OWN Words, which are Spirit and Life. And the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches that He and His Father are ONE, therefore God's Law and the LAW written on the Heart of Jesus, are the SAME LAW.

The deceiver would have us believe that Jesus and God are not ONE and that God's Law is "NOT" the Law God promised to write on His Peoples heart, as HE did Jesus and His Disciples.

But thank God for His Son, the Jesus "of the Bible", who saw these deceivers coming and warned HIS People about them.

Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; and shall deceive many.

And Paul also, 1 Cor. 7: 19 Circumcision (Jew) is nothing, and uncircumcision (Gentile) is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

And the Prophets this Same God Sent for our admonition.

Jer. 6: 16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way,and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said,We will not walk therein.

As it is to this day.

As for the LAW of Christ. Paul teaches;

1 cor. 10: 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Proving once again, that the LAW of Christ and the LAW of God are the SAME LAW.

Contrary to the popular religious philosophies of "many" this world's religions, "who come in Christ's name".

I hope you might consider.

 

[Fred]

What many of todays religions omit, is there was no Covenant with Israel concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin, before the Golden Calf. They also refuse to accept that there was NO Covenant with Israel in Ex. 32, and God was going to "Consume them" and make a great nation out of Moses.

None of it applies to me.
I (and all Christians) are under the New Covenant.

 

[Studyman]

None of it applies to me.
I (and all Christians) are under the New Covenant.

I believe we should let the God who created the New Covenant define it. As opposed to the religious sects and businesses of this world, and the "many" who come in Christ's Name who promote them, that Jesus Himself warned us about. But as the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches.

Luke 16: 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Thanks.

 

[Fred]

I believe we should let the God who created the New Covenant define it.

Hebrews 7:22
So much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.

Hebrews 8:6
He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Hebrews 10:9
He taketh away the first, that He may establish the second.

 

[Soyeong]

Gentiles never were under the law, nor are they today. Jews were under the law until John the Baptist and Jesus came on the scene (Luke 16:16) Then, if they believed Jesus, or if a Gentile believes Jesus, they are to keep His commandments, not the law. Paul says to the Jews who believed Jesus, " ... you are NOT under the law but under grace." Romans 6:14

God is sovereign, so Gentiles have always been under God's law, otherwise God would have no grounds by which to judge the world. In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message, however, there would be no point in spreading the Gospel to Gentiles if Gentiles were never under God's law and had no need to repent from sin. Furthermore, that is the Gospel that Jesus spoke about being taught after John in Luke 16:16, so he was not saying that God's law had ended with John. Moreover, in Luke 16:17, Jesus said that it would be easier for heaven and earn to pass away than for the least part to disappear from the law, so again he was not speaking about a law that he thought had ended, and in Luke 16:18, he continued to teach obedience to God's law. Jesus also set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to God's law, and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6). So Jesus spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey God's law by word and by example, his commandments are God's law, and we can't follow him by refusing to follow what he taught.

While I agree with Romans 6:14 that we are not under the law, Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which does not describe the Law of God, which is a law where holiness, righteousness, and goodness have dominion over us (Romans 7:12), but rather it is the law of sin where sin had dominion over us. In addition, in Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in 1 John 3:4, sin is the transgression of God's law, so we are still under it and are obligated to refrain from sin. Likewise, everything else in Romans 6 speaks in favor of obedience to God and against sin. So we need to die to the law of sin in order to be free to obey the Law of God, not the other way around. In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this is what it means to be under grace and this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith.

 

[Soyeong]

Jeremiah 31:32 says that the new covenant is "NOT LIKE the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them ... out of the land of Egypt, ... " So IT IS NOT the Law of Moses that He puts into their minds. It IS NOT the law of Moses that He writes on their hearts. So what law is it?
Paul calls it "the law of Christ". It is the commandments of Jesus that are written on our hearts and put into our minds - by the Holy Spirit.

In Jeremiah 31:33, New Covenant involves putting the Torah in our m ends and writing it on our hearts, so the way that the New Covenant is no like the Mosaic Covenant is not in regard to following the Torah. The New Covenant is made with the same God with the same eternal character and therefore the same eternal instructions for how to act in accordance with His eternal character. Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Torah by word and by example, so that is the Law of Christ. In Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Torah, so that is also the Law of the Spirit.

 

[Studyman]

Hebrews 7:22
So much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.

Hebrews 8:6
He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Hebrews 10:9
He taketh away the first, that He may establish the second.

Yes, He takes away the Priesthood "After the Order of Aaron" and establishes the Priesthood "After the Order of Melchizedek".

Heb. 7: 11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

But now the Jesus "of the Bible" has ushered God's Promised New covenant in Which His People no longer have to rely of a corruptible Priest or preacher to "Receive God's Laws", He writes them on the hearts and minds of His People.

And we don't have to rely on the forgiveness of sins through the Levite Priest, according to the Old Covenant, because Jesus ushered in God's Promised New Covenant in which God Himself forgives our Sins through His New Priest. God takes away the fist, that HE might establish the second.

Shouldn't a person believe in the Words of God He Inspired, over the religious doctrines and traditions of the "many", who come in Christ's Name that Jesus warned about, who Paul says, "Transforms themselves into Apostles of Christ"?

 

[Fred]

Yes, He takes away the Priesthood "After the Order of Aaron" and establishes the Priesthood "After the Order of Melchizedek".

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The Old Covenant required obedience to the 7th day Sabbath command.
No such command in the New Covenant.

 

[Brakelite]

The above is incorrect.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/commandments-of-god.277/page-2#post-5952

KJV Hebrews 9:23
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

KJV Hebrews 8:5
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

We need to remember I believe, that the sanctuary that was built in the wilderness, along with its furniture and everything pertaining to it, was built after a scaled down blueprint of the true sanctuary in heaven, KJV Hebrews 8:2
2 .... the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

While we understand and agree that the sacrifices, the priesthood, the annual feast days and celebrations and rituals are now passed away as shadows because the reality of the true High Priest now ministers in heaven, are we to believe that asking with the bath water, we throw out the baby with it? Remember what the tabernacle itself represented. That way also a shadow. A shadow of something real and tangible...a true tabernacle in heaven in which is the throne of God (the mercy seat), surrounded by cherubim and angels, and under the throne, the seat of government, the original law of God of which the tables of the covenant were a copy. Are we to believe the law of God in heaven is also thrown out and no longer the foundation of government in heaven? Are we to believe the Lucifer rebelled against a lawless government, or was he rebelling against a government whose laws he despised?

Paul said "that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that the law IS NOT MADE FOR A RIGHTEOUS PERSON, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, ..." 1 Timothy 1: 8-9 So, as believers in Christ, we are clothed in His righteousness. Therefore, according to Paul, the Mosaic law is NOT MADE FOR US. It was made specifically for Israel, before Christ came.

Are you sure you understand what law was Paul referring to here? The tables of the commandments of God which are a written by God's own hand and are a transcript of righteousness, or what is referred to commonly as the law of Moses, which were given by God as the remedy to bring healing and restoration because of transgressions against the first? So away with the healing through the animal sacrifices certainly because of better sacrifices than they, but why do away with the law of God? Why is that necessary?
The covenant was first made with Adam and renewed to Abraham, it could not be ratified until the death of Christ. It had existed by the promise of God since the first intimation of redemption had been given; it had been accepted by faith; yet when ratified by Christ, it is called a new covenant. The law of God was the basis of this covenant, which was simply an arrangement and a means for bringing men again into harmony with the divine will, placing them where they could obey God's law. A system and process of redemption. That covenant is now changed, with the original law that was transgressed written on our hearts, making the old covenant obsolete. Righteousness is no longer something to strive for, or to earn, but a gift to those who believe in the redemption brought through Christ. That righteousness is the righteousness of Christ. People say the Sabbath isn't in the NT. How can the righteousness of Christ be contrary to the law of God that Christ gave on Sinai?? A different righteousness? Cannot be. A different law? Absolutely not. They are the same. You receive Christ, you receive His righteousness. You receive His righteousness, you receive the law written on your heart and mind. Just different ways of talking about the same thing. And one cannot exclude a commandment because it's inconvenient, difficult, awkward, costly, it embarrassing.

 

[Brakelite]

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The Old Covenant required obedience to the 7th day Sabbath command.
No such command in the New Covenant.

The change of the law was required because in the beginning the priests had to be children of Aaron. Jesus was born of the tribe of Judah... Hence a change in the law. There's nothing in scripture that necessitated the abolition of the Sabbath.

 

[Fred]

KJV Hebrews 9:23
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

What Hebrews 8:13 says was abrogated includes "the tables of the covenant" of Hebrews 9:4.

 

[Fred]

The change of the law was required because in the beginning the priests had to be children of Aaron. Jesus was born of the tribe of Judah... Hence a change in the law. There's nothing in scripture that necessitated the abolition of the Sabbath.

Hebrews 8:13 eradicates all the Old Covenant commands.
And since the 7th day Sabbath command is not repeated in the New Covenant it is not binding on the Christian.

 

[Studyman]

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Yes, and according to Hebrews, what Law changed? Here Fred, I will finish the message from the Hebrews author who spells out for you what Law changed.

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

It is the Priesthood Covenant with Levi, that god made with Israel after the Golden calf, that changed. Just as God promised and I pointed out to you.

#1. How God's Law is received. No longer "by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,)"

#2. How sins are forgiven. No Longer provided by a Levite Priest, "it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, (Appointed by men) but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

I know we have been taught a different gospel by "Many" who come in Christ's Name" since our youth, but Jesus said to take HEED of them Fred. So I'm hoping you will consider what is actually written. It was the Priesthood Covenant God made with Levi, that changed. That is, God's covenant pertaining to;

#1. How God's Law is administered.

#2. How sins are forgiven.

It's right there in your own Bible. The Priests of the Old Priesthood broke the Priesthood Covenant, because these priests were corruptable.

Mal. 2: 4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. (Ex. 32:26)

7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. 9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.