Christmas and Easter

[DavidTree]

In real translation-YHVH(Jehovah) is at the passage you quoted, not the title LORD. If you look close-its LORD in your bible not Lord. Jerome removed Gods name in his Latin Vulgate and replaced it with the titles-GOD or LORD all capitols= against Gods will by satans will to mislead as it is doing to you.

Who created man???

Please show from Scripture, exactly Who created man.

 

[DavidTree]

In real translation-YHVH(Jehovah) is at the passage you quoted, not the title LORD. If you look close-its LORD in your bible not Lord. Jerome removed Gods name in his Latin Vulgate and replaced it with the titles-GOD or LORD all capitols= against Gods will by satans will to mislead as it is doing to you.

The Holy Scriptures of TRUTH proclaim there is only One Lord = the LORD YAHshua HaMashiach

TRUTH: 1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

jw deception #1- "the FATHER created the WORD that was God from the Beginning"

jw deception #2 - "God created another 'god' to share in His Glory"

jw deception #3 - "the TRUE and Only Savior created another 'savior' to take His Place"


Compare your 3 deceptions to the TRUTH as posted herein = someone is not telling the TRUTH

 

[Keiw1]

Well let's say this 25th Day of December has been painted by the world a certain way. We don't like the type of paint of which they painted the day. So what wrong with Christians taking the day and painting it to be a thing which reflects their faith? Surely you're not saying anti-Christ forces OWN the day we can't touch it or do anything with it ourselves?

Ps 23 says Goodness and mercy shall follow us ALL the days of our lives.....that Dec 25th is A DAY. Your writing almost make it seem like it's a day of darkness. So we can't take that day and add some color to it and fun and we can't have a good celebration FOR OUR good reason. So it seems you've surrendered the day to people with a different world view then you. Why do you let them steal it from you? Consider it's your day too! How about not giving up what you don't need to be giving up!

Since the world owns it, then Jesus said to be no part of it.

 

[Keiw1]

Who created man???

Please show from Scripture, exactly Who created man.

Gen 1:27= HE created--Not we.
Prov 8:27-28= HE created--not we.
HE= YHVH(Jehovah)= the only true God.

 

[Keiw1]

The Holy Scriptures of TRUTH proclaim there is only One Lord = the LORD YAHshua HaMashiach

TRUTH: 1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

jw deception #1- "the FATHER created the WORD that was God from the Beginning"

jw deception #2 - "God created another 'god' to share in His Glory"

jw deception #3 - "the TRUE and Only Savior created another 'savior' to take His Place"


Compare your 3 deceptions to the TRUTH as posted herein = someone is not telling the TRUTH

I just explained to you-LORD does not belong in the OT. God put-YHVH(Jehovah) = his personal name in every one of those spots in OT where GOD or LORD all capitols is in the altered translations to mislead-Wicked men by satans will removed Gods name and replaced it with those titles. What aren't you understanding about that fact?
You believe the one Lord part from Paul but refuse to believe only the Father is God that he stated there as well. Why is that?

 

[DavidTree]

I just explained to you-LORD does not belong in the OT. God put-YHVH(Jehovah) = his personal name in every one of those spots in OT where GOD or LORD all capitols is in the altered translations to mislead-Wicked men by satans will removed Gods name and replaced it with those titles. What aren't you understanding about that fact?
You believe the one Lord part from Paul but refuse to believe only the Father is God that he stated there as well. Why is that?

His PERSONAL and COMPLETE Name is given to us in Exodus chapter 3 and in the Gospel and in the Apostles doctrine

 

[Rockson]

Since the world owns it, then Jesus said to be no part of it.

Oh stop! Where do you read the world OWNS a day of the year?

Not found! The Bible says This is the day that the Lord has made and we will rejoice and be glad in it! What we're not to have a part in a certain day of the year we're told to rejoice in? Furthermore where do you read we can't have a celebration of sorts for a reason to give thanks to God. Thanksgiving is one such day. Are you against that too? So where do you read we can't make our own celebration on a day outside of thanksgiving. Actually Christmas would be better than thanksgiving for we're thanking him for coming to the Earth to die for our sins and to make salvation possible. So tell me what's wrong with that?

 

[civic]

Oh stop! Where do you read the world OWNS a day of the year?

Not found! The Bible says This is the day that the Lord has made and we will rejoice and be glad in it! What we're not to have a part in a certain day of the year we're told to rejoice in? Furthermore where do you read we can't have a celebration of sorts for a reason to give thanks to God. Thanksgiving is one such day. Are you against that too? So where do you read we can't make our own celebration on a day outside of thanksgiving. Actually Christmas would be better than thanksgiving for we're thanking him for coming to the Earth to die for our sins and to make salvation possible. So tell me what's wrong with that?

Ditto

 

[atpollard]

Its unacceptable to try and add pagan false god worship practices to anything of Gods. The world Jesus said to be no part of did exactly that.
God warned you all-1Cor 10:21

There is nothing INNATELY pagan on Christmas and Easter. There is no Biblical prohibition on commemorating the anniversary of important events ... God often commanded it. In the NT we transitioned from LAWS carved in stone to the FREEDOM to follow the Holy Spirit and do what is RIGHT ... to Glorify God! To celebrate His incarnation is to glorify God. To celebrate His victory over Death and the Grave (for us, since God was always eternal) is to glorify God.

To condemn Christians for glorifying God "wrong" is rather Pharisaical of you.

 

[civic]

There is nothing INNATELY pagan on Christmas and Easter. There is no Biblical prohibition on commemorating the anniversary of important events ... God often commanded it. In the NT we transitioned from LAWS carved in stone to the FREEDOM to follow the Holy Spirit and do what is RIGHT ... to Glorify God! To celebrate His incarnation is to glorify God. To celebrate His victory over Death and the Grave (for us, since God was always eternal) is to glorify God.

To condemn Christians for glorifying God "wrong" is rather Pharisaical of you.

Amen it’s nothing but the legalistic mindset that likes to control people

 

[civic]

Every day is a gift from God and is therefor a "sacred " day regardless of the label or holiday man puts on the specific day. Believers should honor God every day period regardless of what day it's called on our calendars.

Those with ears to hear will understand the above.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Keiw1]

His PERSONAL and COMPLETE Name is given to us in Exodus chapter 3 and in the Gospel and in the Apostles doctrine

It belongs in over 7000 places=YHVH(Jehovah)

 

[Keiw1]

Oh stop! Where do you read the world OWNS a day of the year?

Not found! The Bible says This is the day that the Lord has made and we will rejoice and be glad in it! What we're not to have a part in a certain day of the year we're told to rejoice in? Furthermore where do you read we can't have a celebration of sorts for a reason to give thanks to God. Thanksgiving is one such day. Are you against that too? So where do you read we can't make our own celebration on a day outside of thanksgiving. Actually Christmas would be better than thanksgiving for we're thanking him for coming to the Earth to die for our sins and to make salvation possible. So tell me what's wrong with that?

The concept is nice, but once pagan additives are added. Its 100% unacceptable. Its satan doing this-2Cor 11:12-15. He will do exactly the same with the image of the beast. It will look good to the mortal heart and mind.

 

[Keiw1]

There is nothing INNATELY pagan on Christmas and Easter. There is no Biblical prohibition on commemorating the anniversary of important events ... God often commanded it. In the NT we transitioned from LAWS carved in stone to the FREEDOM to follow the Holy Spirit and do what is RIGHT ... to Glorify God! To celebrate His incarnation is to glorify God. To celebrate His victory over Death and the Grave (for us, since God was always eternal) is to glorify God.

To condemn Christians for glorifying God "wrong" is rather Pharisaical of you.

Encyclopedias are filled with facts of the pagan additives. So is Catholicisms own encyclopedia.

 

[Rockson]

The concept is nice, but once pagan additives are added. Its 100% unacceptable. Its satan doing this-2Cor 11:12-15. He will do exactly the same with the image of the beast. It will look good to the mortal heart and mind.

You're not getting it. It's not a concept. It's a day of the year. And it's a day of the year that I OWN just as much as anyone else in the world. I can do with it what it want and so can Christians! Those who have done to the day that which you do not agree with DO NOT own the day. You're claiming they do.

This might help. The rainbow is a beautiful thing! We know however that those with a different world view then ourselves have taken the symbol of the rainbow and used it as THEIR trademark. Doesn't matter what they do. THEY DO NOT OWN the rainbow. If I want to use a Rainbow symbol for something than I'll tell you this I'M GOING TO DO IT! I have a right to do it! A rainbow is an incredibly beautiful thing. So is every day of the week or year! If I do or all other Christians want to do with it what they want it's their place and they have a right to do so and nobody should come forth and say you can't do anything with it. Ungodly people have taken over the day you say and it's off bounds? Baloney. Stop allowing those you don't agree with to rob things from you.

 

[DavidTree]

It belongs in over 7000 places=YHVH(Jehovah)

7 is the Number that proclaims the WORD Who became flesh and dwelt among us.

 

[Studyman]

Oh stop! Where do you read the world OWNS a day of the year?

Not found! The Bible says This is the day that the Lord has made and we will rejoice and be glad in it! What we're not to have a part in a certain day of the year we're told to rejoice in? Furthermore where do you read we can't have a celebration of sorts for a reason to give thanks to God. Thanksgiving is one such day. Are you against that too? So where do you read we can't make our own celebration on a day outside of thanksgiving. Actually Christmas would be better than thanksgiving for we're thanking him for coming to the Earth to die for our sins and to make salvation possible. So tell me what's wrong with that?

In my view, it's the religious system of this world, that is prophesied to be corrupt, and we are instructed to "come out of her", that is the issue. We already have the Feasts of the Lord that HE gave His People for their wellbeing, revealed to us in the Gospel of Christ. But this world's religions have rejected God's Feasts and choose instead to create their own high days to honor and observe. We have God's Judgments, revealed to us in the Gospel of Christ, but the religions of this world have rejected God's Judgments that HE before ordained that we should walk in them, and have created their own to walk in.

We have God's Righteousness, revealed to mankind from the Goepel of Christ, where it is written, "The Just shall live by Faith". But this world's religions are ignorant of God's Righteousness, and have gone about establishing their own righteousness, refusing to submit themselves unto the Righteousness of God.

How much money do the merchants of this world make, off the "Feasts of the Lord"? There is NO money for the merchants of this world, in promoting and observing the Feasts of the Lord. They are denied and rejected by this world, and this world's religions "who call Jesus Lord, Lord. But how about the Catholic high days worshiped and honored by her and her protestant daughters Rockson? You are an honest man, yes? How much money does this world's merchants make off the manmade high days this world's religions have created, "Christmas", "Easter", "Halloween", "St. Partick's", etc.?

You asked "What's wrong" with observing these manmade high days?

I've read your posts, you mean well, and I know you know exactly what I'm talking about. These religious traditions of man we were born into are seductive no doubt, sponsored and promoted by this world and the merchants thereof, along with all of this world's religions. While the Judgments, statutes and commandments of God are despised and preached against by this world and its many differing religious sects and businesses.

What's wrong with transgressing God's commandments that we might live by this world's religious traditions?

That seems to me, the wrong question. It should be "What's Right about it"?

You said recently that men should share their relationship with God more than defend and promote specific theologies. OK, so I will for you. I can still remember when my wife and I, November 1997, having understood these undeniable truths, burned what we had purchased to partake of these high days. We had small children, and for turning away from these manmade high days, and striving to walk in God's Judgments and Statutes of God, as Jesus and His Church did, we were marginalized, ridiculed and scorned. Not because we pushed our discission onto them, but because when they asked "Why don't you partake in these religious traditions any more", we simply answered, "They aren't in the Bible".

But we will never forget the freedom, and the weight lifted off of us, and the chaos and the expectations these manmade high days promoted. Our children grew up without all the chaos, the "looking for santa", the egg coloring. I didn't have to lie to them about when Jesus' birthday was, because no one knows as it was not given to us. And I can see how seductive all these high days are, and how the tradition is a strong one for families, as I grew up in them as well. But we learned so much more about God and His Son through HIS Feasts that we would ever learn through the customs and traditions of this world's religions. Including the reason why God had this written.

"For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good."

You are free to continue in this world's religious system Rockson, but because I love you, I would share another path, a path walked by Jesus Himself. It's not walked by so many, and it is not an easy path to follow as it takes some self-denial, and the willingness to place God before anything else, even long held family traditions. But I invite you to consider it just the same.

 

[DavidTree]

In my view, it's the religious system of this world, that is prophesied to be corrupt, and we are instructed to "come out of her", that is the issue. We already have the Feasts of the Lord that HE gave His People for their wellbeing, revealed to us in the Gospel of Christ. But this world's religions have rejected God's Feasts and choose instead to create their own high days to honor and observe. We have God's Judgments, revealed to us in the Gospel of Christ, but the religions of this world have rejected God's Judgments that HE before ordained that we should walk in them, and have created their own to walk in.

We have God's Righteousness, revealed to mankind from the Goepel of Christ, where it is written, "The Just shall live by Faith". But this world's religions are ignorant of God's Righteousness, and have gone about establishing their own righteousness, refusing to submit themselves unto the Righteousness of God.

How much money do the merchants of this world make, off the "Feasts of the Lord"? There is NO money for the merchants of this world, in promoting and observing the Feasts of the Lord. They are denied and rejected by this world, and this world's religions "who call Jesus Lord, Lord. But how about the Catholic high days worshiped and honored by her and her protestant daughters Rockson? You are an honest man, yes? How much money does this world's merchants make off the manmade high days this world's religions have created, "Christmas", "Easter", "Halloween", "St. Partick's", etc.?

You asked "What's wrong" with observing these manmade high days?

I've read your posts, you mean well, and I know you know exactly what I'm talking about. These religious traditions of man we were born into are seductive no doubt, sponsored and promoted by this world and the merchants thereof, along with all of this world's religions. While the Judgments, statutes and commandments of God are despised and preached against by this world and its many differing religious sects and businesses.

What's wrong with transgressing God's commandments that we might live by this world's religious traditions?

That seems to me, the wrong question. It should be "What's Right about it"?

You said recently that men should share their relationship with God more than defend and promote specific theologies. OK, so I will for you. I can still remember when my wife and I, November 1997, having understood these undeniable truths, burned what we had purchased to partake of these high days. We had small children, and for turning away from these manmade high days, and striving to walk in God's Judgments and Statutes of God, as Jesus and His Church did, we were marginalized, ridiculed and scorned. Not because we pushed our discission onto them, but because when they asked "Why don't you partake in these religious traditions any more", we simply answered, "They aren't in the Bible".

But we will never forget the freedom, and the weight lifted off of us, and the chaos and the expectations these manmade high days promoted. Our children grew up without all the chaos, the "looking for santa", the egg coloring. I didn't have to lie to them about when Jesus' birthday was, because no one knows as it was not given to us. And I can see how seductive all these high days are, and how the tradition is a strong one for families, as I grew up in them as well. But we learned so much more about God and His Son through HIS Feasts that we would ever learn through the customs and traditions of this world's religions. Including the reason why God had this written.

"For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good."

You are free to continue in this world's religious system Rockson, but because I love you, I would share another path, a path walked by Jesus Himself. It's not walked by so many, and it is not an easy path to follow as it takes some self-denial, and the willingness to place God before anything else, even long held family traditions. But I invite you to consider it just the same.

In my view, it's the religious system of this world, that is prophesied to be corrupt, and we are instructed to "come out of her", that is the issue.

i did not read all your post BUT your statement that i highlighted is 100% true

 

[Rockson]

In my view, it's the religious system of this world, that is prophesied to be corrupt, and we are instructed to "come out of her", that is the issue.

What others have done to a day of the year has nothing to do with me. I'll choose to do with the day whatever I want to do with it. I'll try this...it's an unusual analogy but I'll say it. .I don't know when Hitler's birthday was. If I found out his Birthday was the same as mine or one of my kids do you think I'm going to change the day we have fun on our Birthdays?

My point. You non Christmas people are so upset with something the world has done with a day. It doesn't matter what they've done to a day. What they do does not connect to me. If I wanted to create for my family a special day where we read scriptures about Jesus born in Bethlehem, decide to add color to my home and decorate my home just for fun what evil have I done?

We have God's Righteousness, revealed to mankind from the Goepel of Christ, where it is written, "The Just shall live by Faith". But this world's religions are ignorant of God's Righteousness, and have gone about establishing their own righteousness, refusing to submit themselves unto the Righteousness of God.

Sure they do. But what's this got to do with the subject under discussion?

How much money do the merchants of this world make, off the "Feasts of the Lord"? There is NO money for the merchants of this world, in promoting and observing the Feasts of the Lord.

Nothing to do with why we can't have some fun on a certain day.

You asked "What's wrong" with observing these manmade high days?

I'm not observing such things as a part of my religion or spiritual responsibilities. Again if I want to have fun on a certain day and see my children laugh and smile that will I do.

I've read your posts, you mean well, and I know you know exactly what I'm talking about. These religious traditions of man we were born into are seductive no doubt, sponsored and promoted by this world and the merchants thereof, along with all of this world's religions.

But I don't get your argument. Merchants also choose other days and times to do promotions. They call it Back To School Sales. So because they're promoting things at certain times so we take the position we're not going to buy anything those days? Do you say "Oh no! The merchants are seeking to make money! That's why they're having that side walk sale! I'm not going for they're trying to make money!" Not I believe I'm safe to say you wouldn't reason such.

That seems to me, the wrong question. It should be "What's Right about it"?

What can be good about Christmas? I think it can be a time for being a blessing unto others. To make them feel loved. It sets forth a time where people can come together as community and be more friendlier than normal. Other reasons too..

 

[Rockson]

You said recently that men should share their relationship with God more than defend and promote specific theologies.

I think there should be a balance between the two. When I see people talk about the victories and answers to prayers that suggests to me their relationship with God is alive. If EVERYTHING is just talking about theology then I think something is a miss.

We had small children, and for turning away from these manmade high days,

Having fun on a day like Dec 25th doesn't have to mean you're observing a high day of men . Do with it what you want. Let me ask you this do you have fun ANY day of the year? I'm sure you do. Seeing your kids probably have time off at Christiams what's wrong with you doing something fun. Again I just don't get your reasoning.

"They aren't in the Bible".

Neither is there a record where people celebrated birthdays.......from what I can see. So are you against our culture doing so too?

Our children grew up without all the chaos, the "looking for santa",

But you can have fun on a day we call Christmas without talking to them about Santa. I told my kids the truths about that all along. But it doesn't mean we can't buy each other gifts a certain day of the year to have fun.

I didn't have to lie to them about when Jesus' birthday was, because no one knows as it was not given to us.

But friend you can still have fun at what we call Christmas and just say nobody really knows for sure the actual day of his birth. Nobody is saying you have to believe he was born on a certain day for sure anyway.

You are free to continue in this world's religious system Rockson, but because I love you, I would share another path, a path walked by Jesus Himself. It's not walked by so many, and it is not an easy path to follow as it takes some self-denial, and the willingness to place God before anything else, even long held family traditions. But I invite you to consider it just the same.

Again I'm not connected to what OTHERS want to say about a day. I'll say about the day whatever I want to. But I can still have fun with family getting together, loving one another and yes even passing out gifts if we want to.