Christmas and Easter

[Keiw1]

In light of 1 Corinthians 10:21= One cannot partake of the table of God and the table of demons.
Since its 100% fact, Catholicism took pagan false holidays and some practices off the table of demons and turned them into Christmas and Easter. Thus its a guarantee its like one trying to hand you a glass of clean water and they add sewer water to it. Would you drink it? Would you drink it 2 days later? 1000 years is as a day to God, thus to him those pagan additives are still fresh in his thoughts, thus to Jesus its the same, he wouldn't accept either holiday with pagan additives EVER. Just like you wouldn't drink that water EVER.
Why are the blind guides allowing it?

 

[Studyman]

In light of 1 Corinthians 10:21= One cannot partake of the table of God and the table of demons.
Since its 100% fact, Catholicism took pagan false holidays and some practices off the table of demons and turned them into Christmas and Easter. Thus its a guarantee its like one trying to hand you a glass of clean water and they add sewer water to it. Would you drink it? Would you drink it 2 days later? 1000 years is as a day to God, thus to him those pagan additives are still fresh in his thoughts, thus to Jesus its the same, he wouldn't accept either holiday with pagan additives EVER. Just like you wouldn't drink that water EVER.
Why are the blind guides allowing it?

Because the are bling guides.

Be advised that if you speak against any of this worlds religions or their manmade high days or their man made doctrines, you will be ridiculed and belittled and called names. You speak the truth no doubt, but most people on these forums are only interested in self-justification, not Biblical truth.

It is good to know there are others who seek Gods righteousness, and not simply to justify themselves.

 

[Keiw1]

Because the are bling guides.

Be advised that if you speak against any of this worlds religions or their manmade high days or their man made doctrines, you will be ridiculed and belittled and called names. You speak the truth no doubt, but most people on these forums are only interested in self-justification, not Biblical truth.

It is good to know there are others who seek Gods righteousness, and not simply to justify themselves.

I expect no less than to be hated by this world. Afterall Jesus himself said the world would hate his true followers because they hated him first, hated him and those back then enough to murder them. At the end of the tribulation the world comes to kill the true followers, that triggers Harmageddon.

 

[Studyman]

I expect no less than to be hated by this world. Afterall Jesus himself said the world would hate his true followers because they hated him first, hated him and those back then enough to murder them. At the end of the tribulation the world comes to kill the true followers, that triggers Harmageddon.

Well, I’m not sure about that, we all have end times. But no doubt there are spiritual forces that would work to turn us away from obedience to the One True God, and if we listened to those other voices in the garden that God placed us in, and adopted their righteousness instead of Gods, that would spiritually kill us, according to the Scriptures. The Jesus of the Bible warns us about this, when He said, “take heed we are not deceived” by the “many” who come in His name.

 

[Fred]

Christmas

Watch Tower Reprints
"Christmas Day," in celebration of our dear Redeemer’s birth, has for long centuries been celebrated on December 25th; and although it is now well known that this date is in error, and that it more properly corresponds with the date of the annunciation to Mary, nine months before our Lord was born, and that he was born about October 1st,— nevertheless, since the Lord has given no instructions whatever upon this subject, and since it is proper to do good deeds and think good thoughts upon any day, it cannot be improper, in harmony with general usage, for us to remember in a social way our dear Redeemer’s birth at this time.
Our Lord Jesus was God’s great gift to Israel and to the world, as yet appreciated fully only by the Spiritual Israelite. Through him also all of God’s gifts are promised and to be bestowed. (Eph. 4 :8) In view of these things, the custom throughout Christendom of making Christmas Day a joyful one, by the interchange of little tokens of love in the family, and to the poor, seems most appropriate.
("UNTO YOU IS BORN...A SAVIOR", December 15, 1898, page 2407)

w_E_1898.pdf

AvoidJW.org - Jehovah's Online Home

files.accessjw.org

The boldface above is mine.

 

[Keiw1]

Watch Tower Reprints
"Christmas Day," in celebration of our dear Redeemer’s birth, has for long centuries been celebrated on December 25th; and although it is now well known that this date is in error, and that it more properly corresponds with the date of the annunciation to Mary, nine months before our Lord was born, and that he was born about October 1st,— nevertheless, since the Lord has given no instructions whatever upon this subject, and since it is proper to do good deeds and think good thoughts upon any day, it cannot be improper, in harmony with general usage, for us to remember in a social way our dear Redeemer’s birth at this time.
Our Lord Jesus was God’s great gift to Israel and to the world, as yet appreciated fully only by the Spiritual Israelite. Through him also all of God’s gifts are promised and to be bestowed. (Eph. 4 :8) In view of these things, the custom throughout Christendom of making Christmas Day a joyful one, by the interchange of little tokens of love in the family, and to the poor, seems most appropriate.
("UNTO YOU IS BORN...A SAVIOR", December 15, 1898, page 2407)

w_E_1898.pdf

AvoidJW.org - Jehovah's Online Home

files.accessjw.org

The boldface above is mine.

they then found out about the pagan additives off the table of demons and repented--Will you repent of it Fred or remain in your haughty darkness?

 

[Fred]

they then found out about the pagan additives

When?
And by what proof?

 

[Keiw1]

When?
And by what proof?

There are all kinds of writings about the holidays and pagan practices included. The encyclopedias as well.
I will help you with this fact--From the day after thanksgiving-santa is the major part of the christmas celebration--all the way to being first on Dec 25th morning. Santa= satan, stealing 98% of the christmas holiday away from Jesus. Thus if God exacts exclusive devotion, and Jesus is his image, he would want exclusive devotion as well. I hope this will help you Fred.

 

[dwight92070]

In light of 1 Corinthians 10:21= One cannot partake of the table of God and the table of demons.
Since its 100% fact, Catholicism took pagan false holidays and some practices off the table of demons and turned them into Christmas and Easter. Thus its a guarantee its like one trying to hand you a glass of clean water and they add sewer water to it. Would you drink it? Would you drink it 2 days later? 1000 years is as a day to God, thus to him those pagan additives are still fresh in his thoughts, thus to Jesus its the same, he wouldn't accept either holiday with pagan additives EVER. Just like you wouldn't drink that water EVER.
Why are the blind guides allowing it?

"Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind." Romans 14:5 December 25th is the day that the Lord has made, just like every day is. Just because pagans celebrated that day for sinful reasons, that should not stop me from celebrating the birth of Jesus on that day, or any day. The same is true of Easter. If you don't want to celebrate Jesus rising from the dead on that day - don't.

The days belong to God, as we do. They don't belong to pagans. We are not only free to honor Him on ANY day, we should honor Him EVERY day. But it is wrong for you to judge me or any Christian who chooses to do so. If I want a Christmas tree or an Easter egg hunt, to honor God and make people happy, that's not your business.

 

[Fred]

There are all kinds of writings about the holidays and pagan practices included. The encyclopedias as well.
I will help you with this fact--From the day after thanksgiving-santa is the major part of the christmas celebration--all the way to being first on Dec 25th morning. Santa= satan, stealing 98% of the christmas holiday away from Jesus. Thus if God exacts exclusive devotion, and Jesus is his image, he would want exclusive devotion as well. I hope this will help you Fred.

It doesn't.

You dodged what I asked you.

 

[Keiw1]

"Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind." Romans 14:5 December 25th is the day that the Lord has made, just like every day is. Just because pagans celebrated that day for sinful reasons, that should not stop me from celebrating the birth of Jesus on that day, or any day. The same is true of Easter. If you don't want to celebrate Jesus rising from the dead on that day - don't.

The days belong to God, as we do. They don't belong to pagans. We are not only free to honor Him on ANY day, we should honor Him EVERY day. But it is wrong for you to judge me or any Christian who chooses to do so. If I want a Christmas tree or an Easter egg hunt, to honor God and make people happy, that's not your business.

God and his son accept=0 of anything that has to do or originate with pagan false god worship. You can falsely reason the opposite--the world Jesus said to be no part of does exactly that.

 

[dwight92070]

So I'm sure you have nothing to do with the days of the week, or the months of the year, many of which are names of gods and goddesses, right?
Sunday - the sun god
Monday - the god Monandoes
Tuesday - the god Tiu
Wednesday - the god Woden
Thursday - the god Thumar of Thor
Friday - the goddess Frig or Freya
Saturn - The god Saturn

January - the god Janus
February - Roman purification festival
March - the god Mars
May - the Greek goddess Maia
June - the wife of the god Jupiter

How about images on the 1, 5, 10, 20, 50, and 100 dollar bills, many of which are pagan? I'm sure you have nothing to do with dollar bills, right?

 

[Keiw1]

So I'm sure you have nothing to do with the days of the week, or the months of the year, many of which are names of gods and goddesses, right?
Sunday - the sun god
Monday - the god Monandoes
Tuesday - the god Tiu
Wednesday - the god Woden
Thursday - the god Thumar of Thor
Friday - the goddess Frig or Freya
Saturn - The god Saturn

January - the god Janus
February - Roman purification festival
March - the god Mars
May - the Greek goddess Maia
June - the wife of the god Jupiter

How about images on the 1, 5, 10, 20, 50, and 100 dollar bills, many of which are pagan? I'm sure you have nothing to do with dollar bills, right?

None on earth can control anything you listed. They can control not partaking of holidays with false god things added.

 

[dwight92070]

None on earth can control anything you listed. They can control not partaking of holidays with false god things added.

What you're really saying is that you don't want the inconvenience and trouble that you would have to go through to remain true to your convictions. So even you accept the days of the week, the months of the year and use dollar bills, many of which "have to do or originate with pagan false god worship." This is called hypocrisy.

You are free to abstain from holidays, but you are not free to condemn me or others who don't have the same convictions that you have, especially since the Bible itself does not condemn us. When you do that, you are engaging in legalism, which Jesus got very angry about. Legalism is requiring more from our fellow believers than even God requires. The Pharisees loved doing that.

 

[Keiw1]

What you're really saying is that you don't want the inconvenience and trouble that you would have to go through to remain true to your convictions. So even you accept the days of the week, the months of the year and use dollar bills, many of which "have to do or originate with pagan false god worship." This is called hypocrisy.

You are free to abstain from holidays, but you are not free to condemn me or others who don't have the same convictions that you have, especially since the Bible itself does not condemn us. When you do that, you are engaging in legalism, which Jesus got very angry about. Legalism is requiring more from our fellow believers than even God requires. The Pharisees loved doing that.

Oh what should we do rename all the months? So when we tell someone on gastertone 24th this will occur--Who would understand? So stay real.

 

[dwight92070]

I already told you what I thought you should do. Feel free to believe what you want, but don't judge the rest of us who disagree or who live our lives differently.
As far as renaming all the months, I would say that you got yourself into this predicament. If you truly believe that the Holy Spirit is grieved when we put up a Christmas tree with lights, or give a gift of rabbits on Easter and have an Easter egg hunt, then you might as well be consistent and believe that He is also grieved when we use pagan names for days and months and when we use dollar bills. So yes, I guess you would have to think up some new names and use your VISA card and checkbook instead of using dollar bills. Such is the hard and inconvenient life of a legalist.
That is about as real as it gets.

 

[Keiw1]

I already told you what I thought you should do. Feel free to believe what you want, but don't judge the rest of us who disagree or who live our lives differently.
As far as renaming all the months, I would say that you got yourself into this predicament. If you truly believe that the Holy Spirit is grieved when we put up a Christmas tree with lights, or give a gift of rabbits on Easter and have an Easter egg hunt, then you might as well be consistent and believe that He is also grieved when we use pagan names for days and months and when we use dollar bills. So yes, I guess you would have to think up some new names and use your VISA card and checkbook instead of using dollar bills. Such is the hard and inconvenient life of a legalist.
That is about as real as it gets.

No wonder Jesus compares these last days to Noahs day( Luke 17:26))))) and teaches-FEW will find the road that leads off into life. 99.9% mislead in Noahs day. All throughout the bible 99% mislead at any given point in time. The world laughed at Noah. Why? They had to fit in. Jesus taught his followers would be no part of this world, that means they are different, unaccepted. Rejected, hated just as Jesus said.

 

[DavidTree]

In light of 1 Corinthians 10:21= One cannot partake of the table of God and the table of demons.
Since its 100% fact, Catholicism took pagan false holidays and some practices off the table of demons and turned them into Christmas and Easter. Thus its a guarantee its like one trying to hand you a glass of clean water and they add sewer water to it. Would you drink it? Would you drink it 2 days later? 1000 years is as a day to God, thus to him those pagan additives are still fresh in his thoughts, thus to Jesus its the same, he wouldn't accept either holiday with pagan additives EVER. Just like you wouldn't drink that water EVER.
Why are the blind guides allowing it?

Speaking of blind guides.....................................watchtower is right along RCC and even worse!

watchtower online bible: "In the beginning was the Word,+ and the Word was with God,+ and the Word was a god"

 

[DavidTree]

Because the are bling guides.

Be advised that if you speak against any of this worlds religions or their manmade high days or their man made doctrines, you will be ridiculed and belittled and called names. You speak the truth no doubt, but most people on these forums are only interested in self-justification, not Biblical truth.

It is good to know there are others who seek Gods righteousness, and not simply to justify themselves.

What is God's righteousness?

 

[dwight92070]

No wonder Jesus compares these last days to Noahs day( Luke 17:26))))) and teaches-FEW will find the road that leads off into life. 99.9% mislead in Noahs day. All throughout the bible 99% mislead at any given point in time. The world laughed at Noah. Why? They had to fit in. Jesus taught his followers would be no part of this world, that means they are different, unaccepted. Rejected, hated just as Jesus said.

It's one thing to be rejected and hated for loving Jesus and doing the right thing. It's quite another when you bring on the rejection and hatred yourself by your legalism. But I have not nor will I reject or hate you. But I do reject your legalistic beliefs. Do I understand that your are a Jehovah's Witness? Now there is a doctrine to hate - not people to hate, but a doctrine to hate - a cult if there ever was one.